Buy me a 2010 estate, diesel.

kyote00

my requirements

- Emissions category B (i.e. tax about 156 per annum)
- strong safety features (abs,ebd,vehicle stability)
- estate
- diesel
- bullet proof reliabilty
- low service cost
- space for 2 adults and 2 kids (sub 5 => lots of stuff to carry)
- budget max 30k

meercat

Check out skoda superb. Great reviews in motor section of boards

bungler

meercat wrote: »

Check out skoda superb. Great reviews in motor section of boards

Ditto

kyote00

thanks. Can't seem to find a 'estate' version of the superb on carzone ???

EPM

Not for sale yet

Casati

Superb estate is not launched yet, but will not fall into Band B, Greenline with miserable 105 bhp tractor engine will manage Band C, and the better common rail engines only band D

New Avensis fits the bill completely as described while not being underpowered unlike some of the green competition- C5 1.6 HDI, Laguna 1.5 DCI, Passat 1.6 TDI.

meercat

Have a look under skoda superb wow thread here on boards. Some pics. New car out march I think. Looks great as an estate.

CharlieCroker

€8000 under budget
€156 road tax
7 year warranty

http://www.carzone.ie/search/KIA/Ceed/SW-EX-1./200945195733978/advert?channel=CARS



or


a new good spec 1.6tdi is approx €25k

kyote00

Thanks. Interesting choices.

The KIA only has ABS and EBD (and not stability control) and the airbag quota seems less than others (6ish??). Also the load capacity of the boot is only 340litres....

Skoda is NCAP 4. Nice big load space. Looks interesting -- onto the list...is 1.6 a bit asmatic ?

Berty

How about you buy it yourself OP??????

Berty

meercat wrote: »

Have a look under skoda superb wow thread here on boards. Some pics. New car out march I think. Looks great as an estate.

Superb Estate Elegance will be around €27,900 for a 1.9TDi. Rumour is you see they will be around €1500 more than the Saloon and the best price I got for a 1.9TDi was €26,400 and a few cents.

The 2.0TDi 170BHP Elgeance is around €2,200 more so just in on budget. They are talking about being available from Late Feb but expect it to be delivered around March or so.

kyote00

Berty, Consider it a test of your intelligence - so far you are bottom of the pile with no suggestions....:D ( only joking of course...)

Berty wrote: »

How about you buy it yourself OP??????

kyote00

Thanks.

Whats the emissions of this 170Bhp version --- I'm trying to keep the annual car tax down to Cat B as I will probably keep the car for a good few years....

Berty wrote: »

Superb Estate Elegance will be around €27,900 for a 1.9TDi. Rumour is you see they will be around €1500 more than the Saloon and the best price I got for a 1.9TDi was €26,400 and a few cents.

The 2.0TDi 170BHP Elgeance is around €2,200 more so just in on budget. They are talking about being available from Late Feb but expect it to be delivered around March or so.

Berty

€302 P/A

See here

http://new.skoda-auto.com/IRL/Documents/New_Superb/Superb%20Price%20Spec.pdf

Not the DSG Version which is the Auto.

knifey_spoonie

The Avensis tourer 2.0 diesel band B 130 bhp, and it aint bad looking for an estate


or

The insigna, bit more expensive tho'

ninty9er

Breaking 2 rules here:

Cold you stretch to €302 [band c] motor tax and €31k for a Mazda 6 2.2D 185Bhp:D:D

Skoda Octavia Combi Elegance 1.6 TDI 105 Bhp - €24k

Seat Exeo ST - 2.0 TDI 143 Bhp - €30k [ Band C - sorry ]

Citroen C5 Tourer 1.6 HDi 110 Bhp - €31k - easily get it for €30k

Renault Laguna Tourer 1.5 dCi 110 Bhp - €30k

Jag X-Type 2.0d estate - €31k [ Band C ]

Toyota Avensis (Aura base spec only) 2.0 D4-D 125 Bhp - €26.5k

Opel Insignia is over budget and Mondeo is in band C and over €32k but not as "special" as any of the above

kyote00

thanks.

So far, I see the Skoda Superb and Toyota Avensis as the leaders based on my criteria....

kyote00

I will elimnate the Jag for reliability and taste reasons/
I will eliminatre Renualt and Citroen because of Thierry Henry:P

ninty9er wrote: »

Breaking 2 rules here:

Cold you stretch to €302 [band c] motor tax and €31k for a Mazda 6 2.2D 185Bhp:D:D

Skoda Octavia Combi Elegance 1.6 TDI 105 Bhp - €24k

Seat Exeo ST - 2.0 TDI 143 Bhp - €30k [ Band C - sorry ]

Citroen C5 Tourer 1.6 HDi 110 Bhp - €31k - easily get it for €30k

Renault Laguna Tourer 1.5 dCi 110 Bhp - €30k

Jag X-Type 2.0d estate - €31k [ Band C ]

Toyota Avensis (Aura base spec only) 2.0 D4-D 125 Bhp - €26.5k

Opel Insignia is over budget and Mondeo is in band C and over €32k but not as "special" as any of the above

groupb

ninty9er wrote: »

Breaking 2 rules here:

Cold you stretch to €302 [band c] motor tax and €31k for a Mazda 6 2.2D 185Bhp:D:D

Skoda Octavia Combi Elegance 1.6 TDI 105 Bhp - €24k

Seat Exeo ST - 2.0 TDI 143 Bhp - €30k [ Band C - sorry ]

Citroen C5 Tourer 1.6 HDi 110 Bhp - €31k - easily get it for €30k

Renault Laguna Tourer 1.5 dCi 110 Bhp - €30k

Jag X-Type 2.0d estate - €31k [ Band C ]

Toyota Avensis (Aura base spec only) 2.0 D4-D 125 Bhp - €26.5k

Opel Insignia is over budget and Mondeo is in band C and over €32k but not as "special" as any of the above

But a much better car than all of the above;)

kyote00

hi groupb,

which car are you talking about and why is it better?

groupb wrote: »

But a much better car than all of the above;)

Seweryn

kyote00 wrote: »

my requirements

- Emissions category B (i.e. tax about 156 per annum)
- strong safety features (abs,ebd,vehicle stability)
- estate
- diesel
- bullet proof reliabilty
- low service cost
- space for 2 adults and 2 kids (sub 5 => lots of stuff to carry)
- budget max 30k

I would go for the Subaru Legacy Estate. Best car for the money.

blackiebest

Big Subaru fan but can you get a legacy for 30k? And surely not in Cat B

kyote00

Seems to be about €36995 for bogo spec....seems to be cat d also on efficiency label also ?

blackiebest wrote: »

Big Subaru fan but can you get a legacy for 30k? And surely not in Cat B

Seweryn

blackiebest wrote: »

Big Subaru fan but can you get a legacy for 30k? And surely not in Cat B

Yes, you can - there are some demo models advertised for less than 30k. Not sure about the tax band, but should be in the low range and even if it is a bit higher, it is a lot better car than anything for that kind of money.

groupb

kyote00 wrote: »

hi groupb,

which car are you talking about and why is it better?

The mondeo. Read any motoring journal to find out why its better.
Or better still , test drive one.

Casati

The Superb is band D, co2 on the estate is 160 g co2. The difference with this and say a car in Band B producing 130 g co2 will equate to almost 20% more fuel in real life

Insignia Ecoflex is a good option, 160 bhp and still in band B. With cash discount €30k is realistic too

Why is it that so many mainstream car manufacturers cant produce a 2.0 diesel with circa 150 bhp in Band B? Maybe the premium Audi/ BMW and now Mercedes makes really do offer premium engineering - between them they have lots of Band B options, BMW have the 320d with 161 bhp in Band A???

Berty

Insignia Elite 130ps €28,500.

EPM

kyote00 wrote: »

I will elimnate the Jag for reliability and taste reasons

It's actually a good un and surely you could swing a good price on a run out example.

TheColl

maybe slightly over budget, and not sure about tax band but...

http://www.carzone.ie/new-cars/Alfa-Romeo/159/1.9-JTDM-8V-TURISMO-SPORTWAGON/742169220090112/

P.C.

Seweryn wrote: »

I would go for the Subaru Legacy Estate. Best car for the money.

blackiebest wrote: »

Big Subaru fan but can you get a legacy for 30k? And surely not in Cat B

The only thing wrong with this one is the tax.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Subaru/Legacy/ESTATE-D/200840190233141/advert?channel=CARS

kyote00

It also have 13000km's on it so not really fair to compare it price wise....

Its a nice car, is it the boxer diesel I wonder ?

P.C. wrote: »

The only thing wrong with this one is the tax.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Subaru/Legacy/ESTATE-D/200840190233141/advert?channel=CARS

Seweryn

kyote00 wrote: »

Its a nice car, is it the boxer diesel I wonder ?

Yes, it is the boxermotor and the only Diesel in this configuration ever in a car.

Lex Luthor

P.C. wrote: »

The only thing wrong with this one is the tax.

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Subaru/Legacy/ESTATE-D/200840190233141/advert?channel=CARS

I got a brand new one of those for 27k 6 months ago. Subaru showrooms still selling previous model but its Cat C for tax. New model is Cat D

P.C.

kyote00 wrote: »

It also have 13000km's on it so not really fair to compare it price wise....

Its a nice car, is it the boxer diesel I wonder ?

Seweryn wrote: »

Yes, it is the boxermotor and the only Diesel in this configuration ever in a car.

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I got a brand new one of those for 27k 6 months ago. Subaru showrooms still selling previous model but its Cat C for tax. New model is Cat D

1.) 13 000 km's is nothing - not even run in.
2.) it is boxer diesel
3.) Thanks Lex Luthor - I thought it was Cat D tax. Cat C even better
4.) that is the 'asking price'

Why am I defending this car?

pburns

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I got a brand new one of those for 27k 6 months ago. Subaru showrooms still selling previous model but its Cat C for tax. New model is Cat D

The new model is barely over the Band C threashold (at least in saloon fomat - by 1g/100km) because it's bigger and heavier. As you know it's also AWD.

For me it would be the Legacy (old or new model) or the Superb.

You'd get a great deal on a run-out Legacy as the new model arrived in the showrooms in recent weeks.

I'd take the Subaru but would probably recommend the Skoda as possibly suiting your needs better - as long as you don't pick the 1.9tdi....

Seweryn

P.C. wrote: »

Why am I defending this car?

Probably because you can't beat it in the "overall package" value. The best bit of that car is the AWD system.

R.O.R

Insignia Sports Tourer, 2.0CDTi 130 or 160 ps ecoFLEX. SC with Plus pack or SE might fall in to budget (fair amount of discount available on Opel's). Don't have my pricing in front of me, but I think they both fall in to Band B for tax and are nice motors to drive. Not as quick as the power output suggests, and the boot isn't huge for an estate.

Think the SE has Auto closing boot, Elite definately does but don't know if that would fall within budget.

New design so will look fresh for a few years.

Lex Luthor

pburns wrote: »

The new model is barely over the Band C threashold (at least in saloon fomat - by 1g/100km) because it's bigger and heavier. As you know it's also AWD.

thats all it takes pburns...pity that it happened but it will put people off...talking to the salesman the other day it was one thing he said could harm sales

Tea 1000

Lex Luthor wrote: »

... it was one thing he said could harm sales

The other thing being the fact that Subaru took a great car and replaced it with a more expensive not so great car.

air

Octavia Combi is Band A for CO2 in manual form (119g CO2/km).
List price is only 22k for Ambiente spec, meets all your requirements for very little money.

kyote00

The 22k version is a 1.6tdi with 106hp which is going to struggle a little - also only euro ncap 4

My list so far is:
Skoda Superb estate
Subara Legacy estate (probably the 09 version)
Avensis tourer

air

With regard to the power I've driven it and found it quite acceptable for a family car to be honest. No doubt it will be easily remappable to 130bhp or so in the near future. Or if you prefer, go for the 2.0L PD140 version for 24k.

You can add curtain airbags as an option which would likely make more or less equal to anything else with regard to safety.

mullingar

@ OP Hold on here a little............


Why are you so determined to get a band B car????


Road tax, even if it was a band D @ €447 is the CHEAPEST part of motoring.

You are going to spend €30k on the car and keep it for say 4 years. In that time the car will probably be worth €15k.

Thats an average of depreciation of € 3,750 A YEAR.

Difference between band B and band D tax is around €290. So road tax is only penny's in the bigger picture

kyote00

Thanks. I understand depreciation argument and the madness of buying news cars. However, its not a major concern for me as I do get the benefit of a new car ....

On the tax front, I dont really see what benefit I get for road tax, so I am just trying to get the annual running costs down.

Given that, do have any suggestions to add to the list

mullingar wrote: »

@ OP Hold on here a little............


Why are you so determined to get a band B car????


Road tax, even if it was a band D @ €447 is the CHEAPEST part of motoring.

You are going to spend €30k on the car and keep it for say 4 years. In that time the car will probably be worth €15k.

Thats an average of depreciation of € 3,750 A YEAR.

Difference between band B and band D tax is around €290. So road tax is only penny's in the bigger picture

air

mullingar wrote: »

@ OP Hold on here a little............


Why are you so determined to get a band B car????


Road tax, even if it was a band D @ €447 is the CHEAPEST part of motoring.

You are going to spend €30k on the car and keep it for say 4 years. In that time the car will probably be worth €15k.

Thats an average of depreciation of € 3,750 A YEAR.

Difference between band B and band D tax is around €290. So road tax is only penny's in the bigger picture

While that may be the case if the OP intended to park up the car for 4 years, one can only assume that he intends to drive it.

Tax Band is dependent on CO2 output which is directly proportional to fuel use.

Take 2 cars that would meet his requirements and assume he drives say 30,000km / year.

Octavia 1.6TDI CR
Combined Fuel Consumption 4.5L/100km
Annual Fuel Cost = 300*4.5*€1.15=€1552.5
Legacy Estate 2.0L TD
Combined Fuel Consumption 5.7L/100km
Annual Fuel Cost=300*5.7*€1.15=€1966.50

So about €400 more / year on fuel
Added to the €200 increase in road tax.

So thats €2400 over the 4 years assuming fuel prices remain the same, the more they rise the more you save with a more economical car.

The newest model legacy is another €150 or so / annum on fuel + the extra road tax of €130 or so not to mention being a lot more expensive from the outset.

That brings the running cost of a new legacy to nearly €1k more per year than the Octavia even with a very moderate amount of driving annually.

Darwin

I still see the Legacy ahead of the Octavia in terms of safety (AWD makes a lot of sense given our crap weather and crap roads) and reliability.

Lex Luthor

flame suit firmly on and zipped up but I like the look and price of the Yeti...not an estate but looks like a good all round practical family car

looking at the prices of the octavia combi's just there and they are seriously competitive...

if it was an octy you were going for my choice would be the 2.0TDi manual Elegance for 25,570.

air

Darwin wrote: »

I still see the Legacy ahead of the Octavia in terms of safety (AWD makes a lot of sense given our crap weather and crap roads) and reliability.

While I'm a big fan of AWD myself I think as a safety device for the masses it's of questionable benefit.
Regardless, the Octavia is also available in standard 4x4 (like the legacy) or in 4x4 with raised suspension (like the outback) as the Skoda Scout.

pburns

Darwin wrote: »

I still see the Legacy ahead of the Octavia in terms of safety (AWD makes a lot of sense given our crap weather and crap roads) and reliability.

Lex Luthor wrote: »

flame suit firmly on and zipped up but I like the look and price of the Yeti...not an estate but looks like a good all round practical family car

looking at the prices of the octavia combi's just there and they are seriously competitive...

if it was an octy you were going for my choice would be the 2.0TDi manual Elegance for 25,570.

Actually I was looking at a Yeti the other day, nice yoke but's it's not as big as you might think (although it weas parked beside a Superb!)

Can't believe I'm saying this cos I'm totally against the 'SUV-as-fashion-statement' and think anyone who uses a Navara/Landcruiser every day is certifiable but given the poor state of the roads at the moment with potholes etc. I'd seriously consider a Forester over a Legacy if buying at the moment.
Longer suspention travel+higher profile tyres=fewer punctures:o!

stimpson

mullingar wrote: »

@ OP Hold on here a little............


Why are you so determined to get a band B car????

Remember, VRT is also based on co2 emissions. That's why the 2.0 Diesel Avensis is only 400 quid more than the 1.6 petrol.

FWIW, I picked up my 2.0 Diesel Avensis during the week and put 100 miles on it today. I'm well impressed - nice interior, corners very well, overtaking is a breeze, all safety kit as standard and it only sounds like a diesel when the engine is worked hard. Well worth taking one for a test drive.

Shane732

Is there a particular reason you're going for a 2010 as opposed to a 2009?

I agree with the comments re motor tax - pick the car first then look at the tax band. I saw a comment re the co2 being directly associated with the consumption, while in some cases this is correct it's not always correct.

Lots of decent recommendations some others are....

Volvo V50 - It's a decent car, not amazing for anything but decent. Okay residual value but small market.

Audi A4 Advant - Estate version of what has become a very good selling A4 (in recessionary times) for Audi. Might be a little bit outside your price range but you should be able to pick up a 09 120 - 143bhp version for €30k. Probably going to have the best residual value of anything in it's class.

Jaguar X-Type Estate - Already mentioned above. Reliability is not an issue - it's a fine car. Extremely good value based on 2008 price-list (dropped €10K) so you'd imagine that the residual value will be decent.