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Renault have there heads Screwed on, and so ahead of everyone else (in my opinion)

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  • #52
    Rev. BlueJeans
    Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Rev. BlueJeans


    Renault zero emissions?

    My uncle and brothers lagunas, one clio, and my mother's megane are doing their best.

    As I write, three out of four have calved. A broken down piece of plasticised crap aint burnin' no carbon.


  • #53
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,794 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    MCMLXXV wrote: »
    Eh, no! Anyone I know who has ever had a Renault has had electrical problems with them. I'm not saying they're a bad car, I'm saying electrics isn't one of Renault's strong points. Therefore I believe they should try get what they have right before they start trying to develop electric cars.

    A few things there:
    1. You don't know me, and I've had 3. I've two electrical problems over 3 cars: coils (same as VAG, Opel and every other coilpack-induced rubbish), and driver's side window. (The cure was unplugging the lead in the door jamb, cleaing it, and spraying with WD40).
    2. 'not a bad car' ?...seems to me that's exactly what you're saying, but by the same yardstick, half the cars on the market today are also 'bad', and usually for similar reasons.
    3. if car manufacturers waited to 100% de-bug their cars before sale..........the showroom and forecourts of the world would be empty. That car hasn't been built by anyone yet.
    junkyard wrote: »
    The only thing clever about Renault is their advertising. I have a Clio in at the moment that drains it's battery over night, the hazard lights come on when they feel like it oh and the right indicators come on when you put up the electric window on the drivers door. I don't know wheather to get a priest to exorcise it or an auto electrician.

    Well I have an MX-5 that does the same thing(drain), and I'm quite sure Renault had nothing to do with it. As for the door issue, see my comment, above..........like, was that car in a recent, and widely-reported, flood in your area....?

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #54
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    hi_im_fil wrote: »
    Zero emissions electric car? But where does the electricity used to charge it come from :p:pac:

    People always trot out this nonsense. Whilst true, it's a step in the right direction. It's much easier to convert power stations to zero emissions than a fleet of vehicles. It's a bit like the argument "why grit the roads? It could snow again tomorrow"


  • #55
    professore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭professore


    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    I agree that Hydrogen isn't really efficient, but the public doesn't give a damn about efficiency, and neither does the global economy. We have 2 choices.

    Buy electric cars which will be efficient, and run for 100 miles, stretching to maybe 170 when battery tech improves, and take all the oil companies out of the loop. We end up with pissed off consumers who have to take the bus/train/plane anywhere out of the way, or having to pay a hotel to charge their car so they can make the return journey home, and we end up with a real mess of an economic system because shell/exxon/texaco and co can't actually make a product anymore.

    Or we go Hydrogen. We get vehicles which are more or less as efficient as now, but with less of an environmental impact. We get vehicles which can travel realistic distances, relatively happy consumers, and the oil companies can switch to manufacturing Hydrogen, and the economy keeps moving.

    Well said Buff.


  • #56
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,794 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    ...the snag with that Honda FCX, which I love btw, is that it cost $1,000,000 each, so, tbh, you can make any technology 'work' at that price level.

    Making it work at $10,000, now that's something else entirely.

    I love my cars as much as the next guy, but I'll buy the right new technology, at the right time - and the right price. I personally don't give a toss what motive power it has. Electric motors is where it's going to be, that's almost a dead cert, but the choices for powering them is the thing. Hydrogen power requires collossal power to extract it from the planet, to harvest it.........so where does that power come from ?

    Ultimately, likely it or not, nuclear is going to look more and more like the answer..........fusion would be preferable, but it's not there yet, which leaves fission.......and I can imagine the palaver over that.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #57
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,478 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I suppose it just opens the uncomfortable question of nuclear power further. surely a nuclear plant dedicated to producing hydrogen would have very little environmental impact apart from the inherint risk?


  • #58
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    I suppose it just opens the uncomfortable question of nuclear power further. surely a nuclear plant dedicated to producing hydrogen would have very little environmental impact apart from the inherint risk?

    A nuclear power plant would probably take decades to build here by the time all the court cases and protesting from the tree huggers are done. It would probably be a non runner financially by that stage,


  • #59
    Rev. BlueJeans
    Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Rev. BlueJeans


    Stekelly wrote: »
    A nuclear power plant would probably take decades to build here by the time all the court cases and protesting from the tree huggers are done. It would probably be a non runner financially by that stage,

    The French are working on fusion apparently, but that's a long way off.

    For now, wind and hydro seem to be the front runners.


  • #60
    gpjordanf1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭gpjordanf1


    Hydrogen has nothing going for it and wont happen now or in the future.

    Its too expensive

    Its man made, requires fossil fuels to be made!!!

    Its too dangerous to store and especially in a car!!

    Theres no delivery network.

    The vehicles are mental money.

    These are just the obvious, its crazy to even entertain the idea, when electric is so far ahead and much more effiecent in every way.

    There are electric cars in testing at the moment that have a range of 200-250 miles and have a quickcharge time of 10 minutes (80%) and a full charge of 3-4 hours.
    And these are just in testing, by production they will have these figure improved.

    Already I could certainly live with those figures! When you go and fill up your car, what do you do? For me I usually get some cash out, might grab a coffee, queue up and pay, you could sometimes be about 10 mins. Now were very close to mainstream acceptability! All it take is a few of these cars in the marketplace and some real life experiences and they will take off and burn all competitors.

    Roll on the electric car, cant wait, because the electric car has turned the final corner and is on the home straight and hydrogen hasn't even left the blocks! (What a joke!)

    PS
    Ford built the fastest hydrogen vehicle with a top speed of around 200mph, but they have abandoned Hydrogen in favour of electric. But what would one of the largest car manufacturers in the world know?


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  • #61
    Owen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,683 ✭✭✭✭Owen


    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Hydrogen has nothing going for it and wont happen now or in the future.

    It's already in place in California. There are Hydrogen 7 series driving around.
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Its too expensive

    At the moment only.
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Its man made, requires fossil fuels to be made!!!

    No it doesn't. It requires a shed load of water, and a catalyst like Aluminum to allow the molecules to split to oxygen and hydrogen. There was a guy in the 60's who built a water carburettor in his shed. There are childrens toys you can buy now which allow you to make hydrogen and run a car on it.
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Its too dangerous to store and especially in a car!!

    So is petrol :)
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    Theres no delivery network.

    There's none for electricity either as it charging points/stations on the road. At one point, there was no delivery network for Petrol - you had to buy it in the local pharmacy. It just needed to become popular for the network to be established. The same is true whether or not the next fuel is electricity, or whether it's Hydrogen. If it is Hydrogen, there's already an established network in place. Fuel Depots, Petrol Stations, Knowledgable Staff - they all just need to be converted. Not the toughest thing in the world.
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    The vehicles are mental money.

    So are the very good electric cars! It's the sh*tty ones which are cheap.
    gpjordanf1 wrote: »
    These are just the obvious, its crazy to even entertain the idea, when electric is so far ahead and much more effiecent in every way.

    The electric car is efficient. The grid needed to charge it is not. Plus, if we do all flip flop to an electric motor in the morning, suddenly we fill every landfill with petrol and diesel cars, and millions of people in the oil processing industry, petrol stations, etc are out of work.

    Petrol engines have the potential to be converted to a hydrogen system, which will save the environmental disaster that scrapping all our cars, and building nuclear stations to charge all the electric cars will bring.


  • #62
    bazzachazza
    Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭bazzachazza


    So were actually talking here about Nissan technology in a Renault body.

    So its not really Renault who are ahead of everyone and I imagine the range of zero emission cars released will be limited in where they will available like central Paris and Lyon.

    How many decades will it be before we can drive from Dublin to Cork on one charge in a decent looking car and enjoy the trip.:cool:


  • #63
    Rev. BlueJeans
    Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Rev. BlueJeans


    Hydro-electric, as opposed to Hydrogen fuel cells (although, as said, they're coming along too).

    Battery tech will improve, look at how far it's come in the last two decades.

    I see home/car park charging as the way forward, one will be fair easier to implement, maintain, and protect than the other though.


  • #64
    gpjordanf1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 867 ✭✭✭gpjordanf1


    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    It's already in place in California. There are Hydrogen 7 series driving around.

    At the moment, apparently BMW are abandoning hydrogen
    http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1040470_bmw-halts-7-series-hydrogen-vehicle-testing



    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    At the moment only.

    Ford & BMW have abandoned it, next will be Honda and thats the nail in the coffin.

    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    No it doesn't. It requires a shed load of water, and a catalyst like Aluminum to allow the molecules to split to oxygen and hydrogen. There was a guy in the 60's who built a water carburettor in his shed. There are childrens toys you can buy now which allow you to make hydrogen and run a car on it.

    You need electricity to make hydrogen, infact you need a lot more electricity to make it than what you get out so your figures are always negative.

    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    So is petrol :)

    Exactly, hardly a step forward, but Hydrogen is more dangerous.

    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    There's none for electricity either as it charging points/stations on the road. At one point, there was no delivery network for Petrol - you had to buy it in the local pharmacy. It just needed to become popular for the network to be established. The same is true whether or not the next fuel is electricity, or whether it's Hydrogen. If it is Hydrogen, there's already an established network in place. Fuel Depots, Petrol Stations, Knowledgable Staff - they all just need to be converted. Not the toughest thing in the world.

    So theres no electricity going into stations today? Funny the lights were on when I got the papers this morning ;-)


    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    So are the very good electric cars! It's the sh*tty ones which are cheap.

    So wheres the ****ty hydrogen ones? Not around because its an impossibility.


    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    The electric car is efficient. The grid needed to charge it is not. Plus, if we do all flip flop to an electric motor in the morning, suddenly we fill every landfill with petrol and diesel cars, and millions of people in the oil processing industry, petrol stations, etc are out of work.

    It will take 20 years to convert to all electric cars, supply & demand. its not a problem. Cars will be scrapped & recycled, again not an issue.
    We still need plastics and other everyday items supplied by this industry, they will not be out of work, good of ya to think of them though, fair play!
    PaintDoctor wrote: »
    Petrol engines have the potential to be converted to a hydrogen system, which will save the environmental disaster that scrapping all our cars, and building nuclear stations to charge all the electric cars will bring.

    You cant convert todays cars when they still haven't figured out how to store it safely. no scrapped cars anymore, they are recycled. If wwe have to go nuclear so be it, as long as we use french or jap designs we'll be fine.


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