NFC Championship game: VIKINGS vs SAINTS

LiamMc · 25-01-2010 4:20am

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Haryley. sends the Saints to the Super Bowl!

Everything else is;
nonsense history

Chardee MacDennis · 25-01-2010 4:21am

Well done saints, although both teams tried their hardest to lose the Vikings tried that little bit harder to shoot themselves in the foot with some shocking play calls....

Karlusss · 25-01-2010 4:21am

Saints - Colts

Gonna be a fun Super Bowl.

If that's the end of Favre, that's a little sad. But he's had enough exit opportunities, so...

Utopia Parkway · 25-01-2010 4:22am

Favre's last play in football an interception? Would be kind of fitting in a strange way. That said hard to blame him. Vikings couldn't protect him all day.

copacetic · 25-01-2010 4:22am

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Don't think Vikings can complain too much after such a monumental feck up at the end of regulation, but they came off pretty badly in OT with some of those calls. 3 very debatable ones in a row went to Sts.

How they didn't booth review that interference call I'll never know, especially when the umpire nearest to it with the best view didn't throw the flag.

Black Swan · 25-01-2010 4:23am

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Saints won... that's cool. But they better play a better game in two weeks or they will have a rude awakening.

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-01-2010 4:25am

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copacetic wrote: »

Don't think Vikings can complain too much after such a monumental feck up at the end of regulation, but they came off pretty badly in OT with some of those calls. 3 very debatable ones in a row went to Sts.

How they didn't booth review that interference call I'll never know, especially when the umpire nearest to it with the best view didn't throw the flag.

You can't review penalty flags

cooker3 · 25-01-2010 4:25am

Neither of them deserve to win that.
I'd be so sick if I was a Vikings fan.

Indy will destroy them if the Saints play like that.

Utopia Parkway · 25-01-2010 4:26am

Saints weren't all that impressive today. Vikings really shot themselves in the foot with all those fumbles and the farce at the end. Will need a big improvement to beat the Colts.

copacetic · 25-01-2010 4:30am

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tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

You can't review penalty flags

I guess I was wrong when I said I'll never know!:o

Gisty · 25-01-2010 4:33am

If I was a Vikings fan I'd be utterly gutted. What an awful decision to throw that pass.

His last 3 seasons have ended with a INT now. Retire now no.4. It is time.

cooker3 · 25-01-2010 4:36am

Wow, the stats for the game are absolutely crazy.
Minnesota destroyed New Orleans in every stat bar turnovers. The old adage turnovers wins games has never been so apt.

Btw, I think it's a near lock, bar injury, that Favre returns next season.

Dodge · 25-01-2010 4:40am

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Busy planning my Saints themed superbowl night!!

Who dat!?!??!!

Finally a kicker gets some glory this preseason

Gisty · 25-01-2010 4:40am

I dunno about Favre coming back. He's blown the last 2 championship games that he's been in. I think this could be it.

Chucky the tree · 25-01-2010 4:43am

Gisty wrote: »

I dunno about Favre coming back. He's blown the last 2 championship games that he's been in. I think this could be it.

He's pretty much blown every major game in his post-season career. Hasn't stopped him coming back yet.:pac:

Gisty · 25-01-2010 4:44am

Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's pretty much blown every major game in his post-season career. Hasn't stopped him coming back yet.:pac:

:pac:

cooker3 · 25-01-2010 4:45am

I think when it comes to who cost the vikings, while Favre is there, there are other people which take far more blame then he does.

Dodge · 25-01-2010 4:48am

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cooker3 wrote: »

I think when it comes to who cost the vikings, while Favre is there, there are other people which take far more blame then he does.

Childress is No 1

12 men in huddle after a time out?

Gisty · 25-01-2010 4:49am

Dodge wrote: »

Childress is No 1

12 men in huddle after a time out?

Yep. But Favre should never, ever, ever, EVER have thrown that last pass.

cooker3 · 25-01-2010 4:55am

Dodge wrote: »

Childress is No 1

12 men in huddle after a time out?

Yeah I liked how Vikings tried to take a Timeout which would have been a penalty in anyway as you can't take 2 in a row.

Dodge · 25-01-2010 4:55am

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Gisty wrote: »

Yep. But Favre should never, ever, ever, EVER have thrown that last pass.

WOuldn't have had to if they didn't give that penalty (Favre even tried t call an illegal 2nd time out)

Gisty · 25-01-2010 4:56am

It was an all round cluster**** from the Vikings at the end tbh. They had it as good as won and they blew it. Only themselves to blame.

Dodge · 25-01-2010 5:04am

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BTW I think Favre was brilliant tonight

And if that last pick was dropped, they'd have still been out of FG range

Oh and I think the Saints D isn't getting enough credit. They always, always target turnovers. Its part of their gameplan. Most of the fumbles had a Saints hand in there trying to pole it loose

cooker3 · 25-01-2010 5:06am

cooker3 wrote: »

Wow, the stats for the game are absolutely crazy.
Minnesota destroyed New Orleans in every stat bar turnovers. The old adage turnovers wins games has never been so apt.

As proof

                     Vikings    Saints
1st Downs		31	15
3rd down efficiency     7-12	3-12
Total Plays		82	55
Total Yards		475	257
Passing			310	189
Comp-Att		28-46	17-31
Yards per pass		6.7	6.1
Rushing			165	68
Rushing Attempts	36	23
Yards per rush		4.6	3.0
Penalties		5-32	9-88
[B]Turnovers		5	1[/B]
Fumbles lost		3	1
Interceptions thrown	2	0
Possession		36:49	27:56

Dodge · 25-01-2010 5:07am

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http://www.justin.tv/sportscasthd06#r=aWqAdcU

POdium interviews live

Favre on now if you hurry

Gisty · 25-01-2010 5:08am

Dodge wrote: »

BTW I think Favre was brilliant tonight

And if that last pick was dropped, they'd have still been out of FG range

Oh and I think the Saints D isn't getting enough credit. They always, always target turnovers. Its part of their gameplan. Most of the fumbles had a Saints hand in there trying to pole it loose

He was brilliant in the last conferance championship he was in. Until he threw a pic :pac:

That's true that they were still out of range, but they could always have gone for it on 4th, or he could have ran for 5 easy yards and gone from there. The pick was just an utterly stupid play..

You're right, the Saints D was awesome too though.

Dodge · 25-01-2010 5:10am

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Gisty wrote: »

The pick was just an utterly stupid play..

Not arguing against that. More just commenting that it'll ruin what could've been a great, great night for him. no one will remember some of the great plays he made now...

Gisty · 25-01-2010 5:14am

Dodge wrote: »

Not arguing against that. More just commenting that it'll ruin what could've been a great, great night for him. no one will remember some of the great plays he made now...

Yep, that's football for you. Be was awesome all game, but when the key play needed to be made he didnt make it.

Kinda sad. I wanted the old dude to get to the big game.

Jules.Winnfield · 25-01-2010 9:27am

Saints

Dodge wrote: »

Busy planning my Saints themed superbowl night!!

Who dat!?!??!!

Finally a kicker gets some glory this preseason

Yeah, glad to see a kicker lifted on his teammates shoulders

. Although I still thought we we're goin to see a Favre bullet pass overtime TD. Great game all the same.

Pherekydes · 25-01-2010 9:59am

Saints

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Favre's last play in football an interception?

Yep. It was the last time, too. And the time before that. And he'll probably do it again next year. And the year after that, too.

But who for?

Pherekydes · 25-01-2010 10:07am

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Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's pretty much blown every major game in his post-season career.

Some bizarre posts in this forum, but this takes the biscuit.

_Buck Rogers · 25-01-2010 11:46am

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Saints were very lucky imo, Pass interference call in OT when there was no contact.

They used iffy tactics on Favre, I'm stunned Favre was able to finish the game.

It doesn't matter how good peterson is if he can't hold on to the ball I wouldnt have him.

I thought i'd be cheering for the winner of this game in the bowl but. . . come on colts!

Utopia Parkway · 25-01-2010 5:21pm

Saints got lucky with some of the officials decisions alright. I even completely forgot until this afternoon about the Pierre Thomas TD that was awarded when he was down a yard before the endzone. Now Saints may have scored it anyway but the Vikings are capable of a goal-line stand.

eagle eye · 25-01-2010 5:22pm

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Pherekydes wrote: »

Yep. It was the last time, too. And the time before that. And he'll probably do it again next year. And the year after that, too.

But who for?

Iirc he signed a two year contract with the Viks.

eagle eye · 25-01-2010 5:34pm

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Chucky the tree wrote: »

He's pretty much blown every major game in his post-season career. Hasn't stopped him coming back yet.:pac:

Including beating the Patriots in '96? Or the Superbowl againt the Broncos the following year.

He has a career postseason rating of 87.3, judging by what you say he should have a rating of no more than 50.

Also if you think about last nights game, his interception at the end was bad, but he should have been taking a knee long before then had there not been so many fumbles. The guy had a brilliant season by any standards.

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-01-2010 5:38pm

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eagle eye wrote: »

Including beating the Patriots in '96? Or the Superbowl againt the Broncos the following year.

He has a career postseason rating of 87.3, judging by what you say he should have a rating of no more than 50.

Also if you think about last nights game, his interception at the end was bad, but he should have been taking a knee long before then had there not been so many fumbles. The guy had a brilliant season by any standards.

And to be fair to Favre:

- The personnel fook up pushed them back and forced them to throw

- The play called for a 40 year old who had been battered all night was questionable in my eyes.

- He should never have been put in this position

Sure it was a bad throw but it was bad decisions by the Vikes coaches in my eyes all round. The expected way too much from Favre.

Chucky the tree · 25-01-2010 8:12pm

Pherekydes wrote: »

Some bizarre posts in this forum, but this takes the biscuit.

eagle eye wrote: »

Including beating the Patriots in '96? Or the Superbowl againt the Broncos the following year.

He has a career postseason rating of 87.3, judging by what you say he should have a rating of no more than 50.

Also if you think about last nights game, his interception at the end was bad, but he should have been taking a knee long before then had there not been so many fumbles. The guy had a brilliant season by any standards.

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

And to be fair to Favre:

- The personnel fook up pushed them back and forced them to throw

- The play called for a 40 year old who had been battered all night was questionable in my eyes.

- He should never have been put in this position

Sure it was a bad throw but it was bad decisions by the Vikes coaches in my eyes all round. The expected way too much from Favre.

Most interceptions by any QB in the play-offs in nfl history. Who cares what his rating is? When it comes to the crunch Favre blows it in the play-offs more often then not just like he did last night. If Favre can't run 5-10 yards into a huge open space then he should have told the trainers he wasn't fit to play in the final drive last night, I doubt he did that though. Not only that but throwing across the field is a mistake I wouldn't even expect a rookie to make.

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-01-2010 8:36pm

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Why do people assume running was the best option look at the still of him just as he off loads the ball. He wouldn't have made 5 yards. With that Defensive player about 2-3 yards away Favre would have lost yards if he ran.

The simple fact is you play to the your strengths and asking Favre to Roll out and find someone open when the Saints had practically everyone in coverage is madness. Especially when your QB is 40 years of age and beat up.

Edit: He had Taylor/Peterson who was running in the flats and found room on the sideline but It seems Favre was scanning left to right as he should and never got as far as looking to his right as he thought the middle was open.

Chucky the tree · 25-01-2010 8:52pm

He has the whole right side of the field open, he could have easily picked up 5 yards which would have made it kickable. As you saw the call seems pretty much perfect as he has a Taylor or Peterson wide open on the exact side Favre rolled out to. How is it childress fault Favre didn't bother looking at that side of the field and instead decided to hurl it it back across to the middle of the field?

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-01-2010 8:59pm

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Chucky the tree wrote: »

He has the whole right side of the field open, he could have easily picked up 5 yards which would have made it kickable. As you saw the call seems pretty much perfect as he has a Taylor or Peterson wide open on the exact side Favre rolled out to. How is it childress fault Favre didn't bother looking at that side of the field and instead decided to hurl it it back across to the middle of the field?

How fast do you think Favre is? That defender closest to him would have closed him down short of 5 yards. And if you notice the video when he planted his feet after rolling out he scanned left to right which is what all QBs are thought to do obviously in the couple of seconds he thought he only had he never looked right and as he scanned through the middle thought he saw someone open.

Sure its his fault for the Int but he should never have been put in that situation. But you have to factor in the pressure of the situation, the timing and what Brett Favre actually saw on the field. It is so easy to sit back and say Favre is useless and the loss was all his fault.

Chucky the tree · 25-01-2010 9:11pm

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

How fast do you think Favre is? That defender closest to him would have closed him down short of 5 yards. And if you notice the video when he planted his feet after rolling out he scanned left to right which is what all QBs are thought to do obviously in the couple of seconds he thought he only had he never looked right and as he scanned through the middle thought he saw someone open.

Sure its his fault for the Int but he should never have been put in that situation. But you have to factor in the pressure of the situation, the timing and what Brett Favre actually saw on the field. It is so easy to sit back and say Favre is useless and the loss was all his fault.

I never said the lose is all his fault. However when you look at farve's career most the crunch play-off games he's lost come off the back of ridiculous interceptions/performances he's had, when the pressure is on he buckles.

Here's the video of last night. the view from behind is much better and starts at 50 seconds. He has no problem moving very quickly to the 40 yard line, then he stops to throw it if he simply kept running he would have easily made it to the 35 imo. When he sets up to throw it the defender on the 32 yard line is wrong footed and is not even moving forward. At 52 seconds in the defender is even moving a move away from Favre to cover the Vikings player, a punk fake there would have all he needed to give a bit more time to make it to the 35 and possibly further.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whk0VTuMAdU

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-01-2010 9:14pm

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Chucky the tree wrote: »

I never said the lose is all his fault. However when you look at farve's career most the crunch play-off games he's lost come off the back of ridiculous interceptions/performances he's had, when the pressure is on he buckles.

Here's the video of last night. the view from behind is much better and starts at 50 seconds. He has no problem moving very quickly to the 40 yard line, then he stops to throw it if he simply kept running he would have easily made it to the 35 imo. When he sets up to throw it the defender on the 32 yard line is wrong footed and is not even moving forward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whk0VTuMAdU

You are looking at the wrong Defensive player. Im not talking about the stationary guy. Im talking about the guy coming from his left who is looking at him and going towards him.

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-01-2010 9:21pm

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Chucky the tree wrote: »

I never said the lose is all his fault. However when you look at farve's career most the crunch play-off games he's lost come off the back of ridiculous interceptions/performances he's had, when the pressure is on he buckles.

Here's the video of last night. the view from behind is much better and starts at 50 seconds. He has no problem moving very quickly to the 40 yard line, then he stops to throw it if he simply kept running he would have easily made it to the 35 imo. When he sets up to throw it the defender on the 32 yard line is wrong footed and is not even moving forward. At 52 seconds in the defender is even moving a move away from Favre to cover the Vikings player, a punk fake there would have all he needed to give a bit more time to make it to the 35 and possibly further.

Definitely talking about a different defensive player but a Pump Fake is not always 100% successful. The simple fact the Player to hi left keyed in on him and only took his foot off the gas when Favre released it.

Chucky the tree · 25-01-2010 9:31pm

The D player coming across is 5+ yards away and favre had no major problem rolling out and running it seemed, I still he would have made it. Another thing we're going to have to agree to disagree with I think!

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-01-2010 9:41pm

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Chucky the tree wrote: »

The D player coming across is 5+ yards away and favre had no major problem rolling out and running it seemed, I still he would have made it. Another thing we're going to have to agree to disagree with I think!

Thats a mighty small 5 yards. 5 yards would be from Favre to that blue line. He is less than 5 yards away from Favre in this picture. And with the fact he is already moving he would have caught Favre.

Favre was always going to stop as he was going to try the designed play first. He is not known for his scrambling abilities. So had he scrambled it would have been after he planted his feet to line up the throw. In that time that defender on his left would have caught him. 3 yards away at most he is.

RichTea · 25-01-2010 9:45pm

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I think Favre would have made enough yards for the FG. Hell, even he thinks he should have run it now. At the time, however, Favre is looking to give his team the best shot at a game winning field goal. Favre forces passes, always has done, sometimes they'll come off and sometimes they fail miserably. It's part of his mystique as a player. He played tough throughout, he threw some passes last night that he really shouldn't have but that's him.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/images/01/25/FavreINT.mp3

Check out that Vikings radio call of the interception. Ouch! :pac:

Chucky the tree · 25-01-2010 9:46pm

Stop the youtube video at 52 seconds. that looks at least 5 yards to me. Even at 51 seconds if Farve decide to put his head down and run he would have made it.

eagle eye · 25-01-2010 10:06pm

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He injured his ankle earlier in the game. He also didn't have the open field in front of him that Aikman claimed. There was no way he was getting 10+ yards on that run. An incomplete pass means it's a 56 yard field goal attempt which is hopeless. Blaming the throw is just ridiculous. He was put into a position where he needed to make a play, but his receivers were covered. Brady, Rivers and Manning would have been just as screwed as him, they'd have been more screwed actually, since even an injured Favre is more mobile than either of them.

The blame lies with the the fumbles and the bad clock management by the Vikings coaches, possibly Childress.

By the way Chucky, yes he has more ints than anybody else in the playoffs but he has played more games has more yardage and is one td off the record held by Montana for tds. His number of ints is no big deal, its not like it stands out as very bad.

Just compare him to Manning who has 25tds and 18 ints, Favre has 44td and 30 ints. which is a better td to ints ratio.

Chucky the tree · 25-01-2010 11:01pm

eagle eye wrote: »

He injured his ankle earlier in the game. He also didn't have the open field in front of him that Aikman claimed. There was no way he was getting 10+ yards on that run. An incomplete pass means it's a 56 yard field goal attempt which is hopeless. Blaming the throw is just ridiculous. He was put into a position where he needed to make a play, but his receivers were covered. Brady, Rivers and Manning would have been just as screwed as him, they'd have been more screwed actually, since even an injured Favre is more mobile than either of them.

The blame lies with the the fumbles and the bad clock management by the Vikings coaches, possibly Childress.

By the way Chucky, yes he has more ints than anybody else in the playoffs but he has played more games has more yardage and is one td off the record held by Montana for tds. His number of ints is no big deal, its not like it stands out as very bad.

Just compare him to Manning who has 25tds and 18 ints, Favre has 44td and 30 ints. which is a better td to ints ratio.

He shows zero problem of rolling out in the video. If he ran for it he would have made it to the 35yard line at least. I'd argue brady manning, and Rivers wouldn't have been stupid to make the throw and would have just ran and gave his kicker a 51yard kick or so. When he throw's it across the pitch he should realise that the chances of it being reutrned for a int or close enough for saints to try a FG is a lot higher. Don't you always use Manning post-season record to argue Manning shouldn't be considered better then Brady? The number of ints are awful, the throws he makes in crucial games that becomes Ints are. Only QB ever to throw two ints in a play-off in OT.

cooker3 · 26-01-2010 12:27am

I think people are way too obsessed with the Favre incident.
Look at the results, if he had run then it would have left a 50-55 yard field goal. It's not exactly a high probability kick. There is also a % chance he completes that pass. New Orleans gained nothing from the throw, it just stopped the Vikings. It's a mistake, yes, but overall there were far worse mistakes made throughout the match by Peterson, Harvin, Childress and Berrian.

NFC Championship game: VIKINGS vs SAINTS

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