Fame: The Musical

Dublinstiofán

Personally i'm hoping Seans time is up tonight.

That leaves the three best lads to battle it out.
Couldn't care less about the girls although i'd like Sarah or Jessica to win it with Ben.

Elmo

Dublinstiofán wrote: »

Personally i'm hoping Seans time is up tonight.

That leaves the three best lads to battle it out.
Couldn't care less about the girls although i'd like Sarah or Jessica to win it with Ben.

Don't ****ing campaign for someone to win. :mad:

JonathanAnon

Not to sound like Joe Duffy (who devalue every complimentary adjective by overuse), but Ben was magnificent, spectacular, brilliant.... so by the tradition that has emerged on this show, he will probably be going home this week.

Ammonite

Can't take to Conleth at all. He has a great voice, but comes across as too rehearsed and false or something and not a charismatic or interesting perfomer IMO.

Jessica and Sarah are really talented I think.

I think yer man Michael is a good performer, but not a leading man. Ben is the best of the boys left IMO

JonathanAnon

I thought Conleth was very very good considering how uncomfortable he was about it beforehand.

Jessica is pretty, but too big to be a leading lady. Having said that she gave the song her all and should be commended for that. But like I said, she's not the right shape for a leading lady.

WesternNight

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I thought Conleth was very very good considering how uncomfortable he was about it beforehand.

Jessica is pretty, but too big to be a leading lady. Having said that she gave the song her all and should be commended for that. But like I said, she's not the right shape for a leading lady.

I think that's a load of bollocks.

Gibson101

I thought tonights show was brilliant. Really entertaining and immensely enjoyable. I thought sean's performance was the weakest from the guys and the girls, I thought they were all pretty strong. I'm not sure on the comment about Jessica been too big to be a leading lady. I think that's absolute nonsense .

Conleth for me was the most charismatic performer out of all the lads and I could see him easily doing well in the west end. He was very noble and gracious in defeat and I felt he got a hard time been in the bottom two all the time. Parochial Ireland at its finest.

Michael is a great performer but I'm not sure he's leading man material. Ben for me should win it now, but I haven't seen him dance too much and I think he needs to dance and act more so we can see a more rounded performer as with any west end show, he needs to show off his acting and dancing skills, not just his singing talent as he has that in abundance.

Elmo

Gibson101 wrote: »

Conleth for me was the most charismatic performer out of all the lads and I could see him easily doing well in the west end. He was very noble and gracious in defeat and I felt he got a hard time been in the bottom two all the time. Parochial Ireland at its finest.

What about the other Northerner who hasn't been in the bottom 2 so far?

Dublinstiofán

Elmo wrote: »

Don't ****ing campaign for someone to win. :mad:

Look if you have a favourite you vote for them or dont vote at all, nobody is forcing you to. Its just for an interest. But dont tell me what to do, thats my business not yours. I happen to have a friend or two in the competition and am obviously going to be doing everything i can to help the both of them get to the Grand Canal Theatre.

I'm not going to stop because you tell me not to do it because it makes you :mad:

Every one of the remaining finalists have campaigns going. If we didn't try to keep up we would already have had our guys sent home so your attitude is nonsensical. Be better to have less of your moaning and more voting for whoever you think is the best.

On another note. Credit where credits due Jessica was absolutely amazing tonight and totally blew the others out of the water. I really liked Sarahs 'defying gravity although a friend who i was with in the Helix thought it was rubbish. Personally i thought Sean was the weakest of the guys and that Ben was the strongest. Michael didn't put a foot wrong either just didn't like the song. Have to congratulate Conleth on his gracious exit, i couldn't have put it better myself if i was up there going out. Took a real professional to say what he did and act like a true gentleman before he even sang the duet. He did mix up the words a bit but covered it well nobody really noticed except those of us who have heard it every week.


Competition is getting very stiff.

Elmo

Dublinstiofán wrote: »

Look if you have a favourite you vote for them or dont vote at all, nobody is forcing you to. Its just for an interest. My favourite person in the competition also happens to be a friend why wouldn't i do everything i can to help?

It was more your signature that was the issue. I don't mind people here stating who they think people should vote for, but I just think campaigning is not good for such shows.

Every one of the remaining finalists have campaigns going. If we didn't try to keep up we would already have had our guys sent home. Be better to have less of your moaning and more voting to keep the Dubs in it (assuming your from Dublin) as the country folk are voting in droves.

3 of the remaining 6 are from Dublin, while Meath, Waterford and Down are represented outside the Dublin. Dublin seems to be doing quite well.

Campaigning is just feeding the Parochial nature of such voting.

Chinafoot

Dublinstiofán wrote: »

Be better to have less of your moaning and more voting to keep the Dubs in it (assuming your from Dublin) as the country folk are voting in droves.

Why on earth would you vote for someone based purely on where they're from? Its a talent show ffs. You vote for the person you think is the best.

Gibson101

Elmo wrote: »

What about the other Northerner who hasn't been in the bottom 2 so far?

She's possibly had a better campaign then Conleth and I think the people of Down are a lot more supportive then from where Conleth is from.

Dublinstiofán

Elmo wrote: »

3 of the remaining 6 are from Dublin, while Meath, Waterford and Down are represented outside the Dublin. Dublin seems to be doing quite well.

Campaigning is just feeding the Parochial nature of such voting.

Excuse me i'm getting my campaigning lines mixed up. There is only one male entrant left from Dublin.

Dublinstiofán

Chinafoot wrote: »

Why on earth would you vote for someone based purely on where they're from? Its a talent show ffs. You vote for the person you think is the best.

I completely agree with what you are saying here. But as Robert has said for weeks and weeks that is not how the voting is happening. A prime example is Holly. Limerick didn't get behind holly and even though she was probably the second most talented singer/actress and dancer combination in the show she was gone in no time. Exactly the same with Drew the first week. I don't thing i've ever heard 'empty chairs at empty tables' from Les Miserables sung with such passion despite seeing the show many times. He was voted out as people couldn't vote from Scotland/London.

I do vote for the people i think are the best each week but they both happen to be from Dublin.

From what i have seen i can say that people in Dublin don't seem to have the same time/awareness for programmes like this. Maybe this is due to having other things on during a Sunday afternoon. Where as people down the country have a more closely knit group and once a person is in something it almost becomes important to the community to battle and get that person to the top and a massive rally effort is organized regardless of whether the person is talented at all or not.

If one was to have the same effect in Dublin you have to get off your arse and create a buzz around it, even if it means mentioning getting behind the local Dublin acts. I mean lets face it Sarah Jessica and Ben are all amazing acts so i have no qualms about saying it. Thats what they are saying down the country why shouldn't we use the same tactics here?

xOxSinéadxOx

Seán was weak. He's not a great dancer either. I really liked Jessica and Sarah. Róisín was better than normal but she's not as good as Jessica and Sarah. Ben is m favourite guy at the moment. And with regards Jessica being too big to be a leading lady that's bull****, she's very slim! :eek: just not really skinny

xOxSinéadxOx

Also delighted Conleth is gone. There's something very fake about the way he performs while he is technically good there's just something

WesternNight

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

Also delighted Conleth is gone. There's something very fake about the way he performs while he is technically good there's just something

I have to say I found the same. I really liked him in the audition stages, he seemed very genuine and unassuming. I don't know what changed, but I couldn't warm to him again at all during the live shows.

JonathanAnon

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

Also delighted Conleth is gone. There's something very fake about the way he performs while he is technically good there's just something

I didnt really see this until I went looking for it (after reading the comments here), but I can see what ye mean. I thought his Maria was excellent tonight though, horrible song to sing but he did a great job, despite his dancer nearly falling at the start (did anyone else see that).

I think Robert will be disappointed if he ends up with Sean and Jessica as his Nick & Serena. Sean reminds me a lot of Mark Owen, but he's not a leading man. Drew & Sarah were probably the best choice for the roles, but Drew is gone since the first week. And it looks like they are gonna have to save Sarah every week, if that's possible.

The standard of the competition, compared to something like You're A Star, is incredible. Really talented young people.

lizara

I think that the talent in this show knocks You're A Star, X Factor and all those other pop talent shows out of the water.

However, I can't stand the way they throw in contestants from all over Ireland just to get a good spread across the country. The only reason Chaoimhe was let in was because she's from Cork or somewhere, Roisin is not great and they just put her in because the other Northern girl Susan couldn't do it. That annoys me soooo much about these kinds of talent shows.

The other thing that is awful about these shows is, as loads of people mentioned, the regional voting. To be honest, I think the public telephone voting system is a joke as talent never reigns through. Holly left so soon and she was possibly the best! For Sarah and Conleth to be in the bottom two after their outstanding performances was a joke, should have been sean and roisin. I guarantee you that Robert C. Kelly will brick it if those two win the competition and I wouldn't be surprised if they do because neither of them have been in the bottom two yet.

Finally to conclude my angry rant it annoys me sooooo much that Robert C. Kelly keeps moaning about the voting results. If you want real talent to win, get rid of the voting system, you're the producer!! The judges should decide who goes through each week and I hope to God that if the show comes back next year, they do away with this voting system. That will mean that the real talent gets through + there may not be such a big emphasis on getting finalists from each province. The most talented should get through regardless of where they're from.

I have to say the show really is amazing but it could be a whole lot better if they got rid of public voting. Holly and Conleth were my favourites to win and now that they are gone I have lost all confidence, interest and respect for the show.

Gibson101

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I didnt really see this until I went looking for it (after reading the comments here), but I can see what ye mean. I thought his Maria was excellent tonight though, horrible song to sing but he did a great job, despite his dancer nearly falling at the start (did anyone else see that).

I think Robert will be disappointed if he ends up with Sean and Jessica as his Nick & Serena. Sean reminds me a lot of Mark Owen, but he's not a leading man. Drew & Sarah were probably the best choice for the roles, but Drew is gone since the first week. And it looks like they are gonna have to save Sarah every week, if that's possible.

The standard of the competition, compared to something like You're A Star, is incredible. Really talented young people.

Completely agree. Drew was my favourite to win it and to see him eliminated within the first week was ridiculous. If he sang like that in any other audition around the world, he would of gotten the part. Ireland is the worse country in the world when it comes to parochial voting and the sooner they do away with the public votes the better.

However, they do need the public votes imo to generate revenue so they can sustain this kind of show, so can't see it happening any time soon unfortunately.

I think Ben and Sarah should win the show now but I can't see it happening. Mickey Jo is great but he's no leading man.

Elmo

Gibson101 wrote: »

Ireland is the worse country in the world when it comes to parochial voting and the sooner they do away with the public votes the better.

It doesn't just happen in Ireland :rolleyes: We have seen it time and time again with public votes. All they have to do is ban campaigning.

JonathanAnon

Elmo wrote: »

It doesn't just happen in Ireland :rolleyes: We have seen it time and time again with public votes. All they have to do is ban campaigning.

Wonder if they have changed the system for the Semi Final this week? I think it's too easy for the producers to say "oh we'll let the audience vote for the winner", and then cream off the profits from the texting. But they end up with unfair, parochial voting, and the best person nearly never wins. They need to adopt a system like Strictly Come Dancing, so that the judges at least decide who the bottom two are.

I want to see one of the girls doing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDq-2e2JC0

Gibson101

JonathanAnon wrote: »

They need to adopt a system like Strictly Come Dancing, so that the judges at least decide who the bottom two are.

Great idea. Maybe you mail the producers with that idea. It would definitely work while keeping the respectability & Credibility of the show intact.

JonathanAnon

oh man they've made the judging worse.. No sing off tonight.. The two bottom people in the votes GO STRAIGHT HOME. Sarah, who imo is the best female, will be packing her bags..

Elmo

JonathanAnon wrote: »

oh man they've made the judging worse.. No sing off tonight.. The two bottom people in the votes GO STRAIGHT HOME. Sarah, who imo is the best female, will be packing her bags..

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055932295

Suppose we should vote tonight :pac:

JonathanAnon

Sarah has been in the bottom two for the last three weeks running. What with them voting two out tonight, is there ANY way that she can stay...

WesternNight

Sean should have gone tonight.

I think Ben will stride through the final. He's really impressed me the last couple of weeks, and tonight he was incredible.

Michael was weak tonight, but I think he deserved to get to the final based on the overall competition.

Róisín was the right girl to go. She'd really been coming good the last couple of weeks though.

It's hard to know which of Jessica and Sarah will win it...but I have a feeling it'll be Sarah. I've been very unimpressed with her during pretty much all of the live shows, though.

Enid.

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I want to see one of the girls doing this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDq-2e2JC0

I love this song/Sutton Foster more than words can express

I was in the Fame School with the finalists and my favourite is Ben at the moment, such a voice! He definitely deserves the part.
It's impossible to tell with the girls though. And with the way the voting is going...impossible.

Sabbath Lily

I religiously watch the Andrew Lloyd Webber talent shows so I wanted to give this a shot, but the sound feed was awful and it seemed so inferior to Over The Rainbow. After OTR finished, I gave Fame another shot - and am so glad I did. Maybe it was because the competition was in its latter stages, but it's been superb for the most part. OK, I wish Simon and Erica would get off the fence (although Simon has shown signs of criticism lately), and anyone else other than Derek Mooney would be preferable as host, and yes it would be nice to have it in a studio instead of a live theatre where the audience can't be controlled, but I'm aware of the constraints RTE are under.

I just think it'd be an injustice if Ben doesn't win. He's wowed me these last few weeks. I preferred Conleth at first, but he just isn't a 'leading man' for me, good as he is. I've actually seen him perform - he played Lefou in Beauty and the Beast when it came to Dublin last summer, and though I didn't know who he was, I thought he was far better than the part demanded. But for once I agreed with Robert in his criticism of 'Maria' - it was just very unfocused, I didn't get any feeling of love from it at all. Vocally it was amazing, but he looked like he was being pursued or harassed rather than anything else. I haven't seen Ben live, but just from what comes across over the screen, I'd pay money to see him. And I don't even like the musical! I should point out that he's a local boy, and so I may be slightly swayed that way, but I don't know the guy at all. And I genuinely think I'd vote for him regardless of where he came from - he's just amazingly talented.

I do like Seán, and he looks the part, but he needs more training to become a lead actor at a professional level I think. Also he lacks maturity, judging from many of the songs he's chosen - he's obviously got ability, but maybe he hasn't always played to his strengths. I'd really love it if he went off to train and came back in two years time - he could be wonderful then. Having said that, he was great last week - I just think his performances are a little too patchy, you don't know what he's going to throw up next.

Too close to call between the girls for me, both of whom I really like. I really didn't like Sarah's 'Defying Gravity' at all but it was a suicidal move from the judges to give her it - no one else had half as difficult a job to deal with. 'Memory' was sheer beauty last week though. I just wonder about Sarah's persona on stage - she's really competent, but I don't know if I can tell what her Serena would be like, and I don't think any charisma is translating on screen, hence the low votes. Jessica is easier to read, she exudes personality, and with her massive fanbase, I think she'll win comfortably. I don't know if her acting is A1 though - we really haven't seen much of it. I'm sure she could carry off Serena as 'herself' very well if it comes down to it though.

Elmo

Sabbath Lily wrote: »

but the sound feed was awful ......anyone else other than Derek Mooney would be preferable as host, and yes it would be nice to have it in a studio instead of a live theatre where the audience can't be controlled, but I'm aware of the constraints RTE are under.

There should be no real reason for a bad sound feed, bad lighting or a studio. In terms of Studio RTÉ and Shinawhil could have easily produced the show either in RTÉ or Ardmore. While we complain about TAITS it was more controlled due to the use of a studio in Ardmore during the live shows. I just think it is Shinawhil's production of all their shows, I do not see why they cannot improve.

soccymonster

I can't really see ben and sarah as a good lead couple. Yea, they're both really talented but meh. I like sean and jessica Jessica will probably win it out of the girls. Don't mind which one of the lads wins it though.

JonathanAnon

Could Erica Gimpel be the nicest person in the world?

Has to be Ben and Sarah or else I'm not watching next week Though overall they were a bit disappointing last week, having been incredible the week before. Hope they reach the same high standard again.

Handsome Bob

WTF was that, that was the worst case of bias I've ever seen on one of these shows, they couldn't have made it more obvious that they wanted Sarah to win.

JonathanAnon

LZ5by5 wrote: »

WTF was that, that was the worst case of bias I've ever seen on one of these shows, they couldn't have made it more obvious that they wanted Sarah to win.

Well RTE was similar in it's promoting of Niamh Kavanagh. But I certainly agree, it was a shameless nailing of the colours to the mast from all of them.

I still reckon Jessica is too big to be a leading lady, which is probably gonna have all the ladies here baying for my blood again. She's certainly talented, but not a leading lady... thought he performance with Noel Sullivan was poor enough.

Handsome Bob

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I still reckon Jessica is too big to be a leading lady, which is probably gonna have all the ladies here baying for my blood again. She's certainly talented, but not a leading lady... thought he performance with Noel Sullivan was poor enough.

Well, I don't think it's a major problem. Above all else Jessica is a good looking girl. Secondly, I think you are over exaggerating in regards to her weight. I don't see it as a distraction during her performances.

Elmo

Jessica and Ben.

JonathanAnon

Elmo wrote: »

Jessica and Ben.

meh.... Sarah was the best.

amdublin

So much shrieking and screaming and crying.

Sometimes I think RTE just need to realise that they can't control the lives shows and should just stick to pre-recorded.

(Oh and just in case I'm wrong and it was pre-recorded: :eek:)

Handsome Bob

Congrats to Jessica and Ben.

JonathanAnon

amdublin wrote: »

So much shrieking and screaming and crying.
Sometimes I think RTE just need to realise that they can't control the lives shows and should just stick to pre-recorded. (Oh and just in case I'm wrong and it was pre-recorded: :eek:)

de nord side fairly came out in Jessica alright.. I was scaaaarleeeh for her..

Elmo

amdublin wrote: »

So much shrieking and screaming and crying.

Sometimes I think RTE just need to realise that they can't control the lives shows and should just stick to pre-recorded.

(Oh and just in case I'm wrong and it was pre-recorded: :eek:)

I have to disagree, I watch some of OTR where you could barely hear Norton over the cheering. It was live and as such should take into account that there will be cheering from the audience. X-Factor makes the point of insisting that the audience never sit.

The other production values on the other hand dissappointed again. The finalist singing together seem to have half of their mics off while the 4 finalist were left muted as they began sing :mad:

Over all the talent was great and Jessica is a brilliant singer and looks great. TBH it was a hard choice over all and in the end the winners deserve their parts in the show. I hope it goes well for them.

amdublin

Yes I thought the sound on the very first number (group) was so bad.

JP Liz V1

So who won?

Handsome Bob

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So who won?

Ben and Jessica.

Elmo

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So who won?

Jessica and Ben.

soccymonster

soccymonster wrote: »

I can't really see ben and sarah as a good lead couple. Yea, they're both really talented but meh. I like sean and jessica Jessica will probably win it out of the girls. Don't mind which one of the lads wins it though.

Okaaay, I'm an idiot.
I'll admit, after seeing Ben and Sarah together during the whole "Dont stop believing" part, I really think they would have been the perfect people to win it.

Ben was absolutely fantastic tonight and deserved to win.
Although I would have liked to see Sarah win, I really liked Jessica also. She is a great actress and singer.