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colinod0806

walshb wrote: »

Also, the young Nucky finds a body under the pier. Who was the victim?

That was the guy who lost his hat when Nucky was younger, wasn't it?

LionelNashe

walshb wrote: »

I think at times Capone is over played.

I actually like the way he's being played. He doesn't seem right in the head and even his own people are afraid of him, laughing at his jokes out of fear. The real Capone had syphilis affecting his brain by the time he got out of prison in the late thirties, so we could be seeing the start of madness here.

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

I really don't see what the confusion is about. You understood it perfectly. Eli had a drunken night with Mueller's wife. This is all came back to him when he saw the photo.

Did she not imply that it was several times that they got together?

walshb

walshb wrote: »

Did she not imply that it was several times that they got together?

I didn't get that. I'd have to watch again to be sure. Surely he would have remembered if it was more than once.

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't get that. I'd have to watch again to be sure. Surely he would have remembered if it was more than once.

I could be wrong. I will watch it again.

Thargor

colinod0806 wrote: »

That was the guy who lost his hat when Nucky was younger, wasn't it?

Of course it was, they even threw in a flashback to him offering the $50 from his hat when he turned the corpse over. That guy was irrelevant it was just a way of showing how The Commodore and Nuckys Seargent or whatever his rank is can be brutal if anyone gives them any sh1t.

Cant believe the young Nucky actor, one of the best pieces of casting Ive ever seen, the teeth, the eyes, the way he squints at things and frowns were all perfect.

_Kaiser_

Watching the latest one now...

Is it just me, or is this season going nowhere? It seems like more of an epilogue with no particular relevance or link to what we've seen previously.
I can't say the whole flashbacks are doing anything for me - though yes, the young Nucky is spot on.

This is a shortened season too right? Unless this picks up dramatically it seems it'll be going out with a whimper

FloatingVoter

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Watching the latest one now...

Is it just me, or is this season going nowhere? It seems like more of an epilogue with no particular relevance or link to what we've seen previously.

I can't say the whole flashbacks are doing anything for me - though yes, the young Nucky is spot on.

This is a shortened season too right? Unless this picks up dramatically it seems it'll be going out with a whimper

It is an epilogue. The wrapping up of loose ends. There's no drama to be gained from historical figures like Luciano or Capone. We know what became of them. Its just a case of depicting that. We're just down to which of the fictional characters live beyond the final "The End".
And having a laugh - Eli and Van Alden trying to explain themselves like naughty schoolboys to Al was comedy gold. With Paul Muni and George Raft in the next room. Only in chez Capone would you find that type of madness.

_Kaiser_

ok, I stand corrected - that just got interesting!

Bye Bye Van Alden. :eek: At least he reclaimed his true self before he got whacked!

Chalky too! fook!

Shane St.

Damn that was good.

spiritcrusher

That tug on the suit jacket by Chalky... After so long watching those characters it's really the small details like that which give a scene that punch to the gut.

Alfred Borden

Best spisode of the season so far but a fairly gutting one too.

spitfireIRL

NOOOO!!!!

Soft Falling Rain

Great episode, Narcisse was the possible highlight for me. Undeneath the mannerly pretense is a horribly bitter and twisted man, Wright does so well in the role.

I really wasn't paying attention. What happened between Chalky and Narcisse? I thought Chalky was going to work for him then...

Kirby

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought Chalky was going to work for him then...

Ah, the innocence of youth.

LionelNashe

Deleted User wrote: »

I really wasn't paying attention. What happened between Chalky and Narcisse? I thought Chalky was going to work for him then...

It was a bit too subtle for me as well - Chalky somehow arrived at the conclusion that Narcisse would let Daughter go back on stage if Chalky agreed to work for Narcisse. Daughter understood the same thing as soon as Chalky mentioned something about a bargain. Chalky and Narcisse both understood that Narcisse was going to kill Chalky anyway. A lot of mind reading going on, unless I missed a couple of lines of crucial dialogue.

LionelNashe

LionelNashe wrote: »

It was a bit too subtle for me as well - Chalky somehow arrived at the conclusion that Narcisse would let Daughter go back on stage if Chalky agreed to work for Narcisse. Daughter understood the same thing as soon as Chalky mentioned something about a bargain. Chalky and Narcisse both understood that Narcisse was going to kill Chalky anyway. A lot of mind reading going on, unless I missed a couple of lines of crucial dialogue.

Subtlety was definitely lost on me. I was so tired that I missed half the dialogue. I'll have to watch it again. Chalky working for him didn't make any sense at all anyway.

Chocolate Lions

Chalky always let himself get talked around. I was hoping for something more out of character. He did it so N wouldn't have power over her anymore. Wouldn't killing him have gone a way toward that. There were still the goons outside the door but all the same.

Soft Falling Rain

I believed initially that Narcisse was genuine in wanting Chalky to work with him. But when you think about it, Narcisse already has the muscle, and while Chalky has brains, in Narcisse's mind, there's only one mind needed to control things: his. Thus, he had no need for Chalky.

You have to remember too that it had gotten deeply personal between both men last season, and hated each other equally. Co-existing was never on the table, using hindsight of course.

It just shows how much of a horrible fcuk Narcisse is, as he knew he had Chalky by the balls the second he spotted him.

Anachrony

Chocolate Lions wrote: »

There were still the goons outside the door but all the same.

If Chalky killed Narcisse, the goons wouldn't just kill him, they may have killed his daughter and granddaughter as well. If it was just suicide he would have killed him and gone down in a blaze of glory, but with his family there he had to get them out safely.

bennyineire

Wha "daughter and granddaughter",
I think you mean old lover and daughter

Boom_Bap

That was awesome.

Chalky went out a hero allowing the daughter and his child to be liberated.
Van Alden letting out his bottled up rage at Al before being dis-eyed was brilliant to see.

I think some of the questions about why Gillian is being maintained are answered now, we got to meet the younger her (him) in this episode. I believe the flashbacks are leading up to when Nucky took some sort of big step to get into a position of power, and it involves her.
And the show will end up having some sort of juxtaposition of this in the final scenes.

Cool_CM

I don't want this to end! Plenty of bloodshed in the final 2 episodes I'd imagine.

That was a disappointing end to Van Alden

Duckworth_Luas

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I think some of the questions about why Gillian is being maintained are answered now, we got to meet the younger her (him) in this episode. I believe the flashbacks are leading up to when Nucky took some sort of big step to get into a position of power, and it involves her.

The Commodore is a paedophile. Under orders Nucky brought the 13 year old Gillian to his boss who raped her. This is how Jimmy Darmody, who Nucky murdered, was conceived.

ThunbergsAreGo

Nuckys wife is really really irritating in it

youcancallmeal

naughtb4 wrote: »

Nuckys wife is really really irritating in it

She's only in a scene for about 2 minutes in the last episode. I thought she was okay, played her part well?

In fact the more I think of it she kind of reminds me of his lover Billie Kent from season 3. Maybe she reminded him of his wife?

ThunbergsAreGo

youcancallmeal wrote: »

She's only in a scene for about 2 minutes in the last episode. I thought she was okay, played her part well?

Was more the previous week, she just irritated/grates me for some reason and was very uppity and entitled. Its not the actress, more the part they have her play.

Really shaping up to be an action packed two episodes. Any one know what the point fo the Nucky (old) scenes this week were?

Boom_Bap

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

The Commodore is a paedophile. Under orders Nucky brought the 13 year old Gillian to his boss who raped her. This is how Jimmy Darmody, who Nucky murdered, was conceived.

Yep, aware of that, I just suspect there is something else in the relationship between Nucky and Gillian that we dont know of, that will be something tied to the ending of the show......this is all just guesswork and speculation

ThunbergsAreGo

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Yep, aware of that, I just suspect there is something else in the relationship between Nucky and Gillian that we dont know of, that will be something tied to the ending of the show......this is all just guesswork and speculation

Could he be Jimmy real father?

Boom_Bap

naughtb4 wrote: »

Could he be Jimmy real father?

Nah, dont think so. I think it's more a case of Nucky is winding down is business, and is reflecting on how he got recognised by the Commodore. In a recent flashback he is talking to Mable about how he doesn't even address Nucky. I'm sure bringing Gillian to the Commodore, and something else, had a big impact on him being reconised and make his jump from Deputy Sherrif.

There are some similarities to the other young guy that found Nucky has working for him that was refusing to take the money, to Nucky's own past.

So I'm guessing that Gillian will have some sort of impact....perhaps giving her to Luciano or something of that nature.

ThunbergsAreGo

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Nah, dont think so. I think it's more a case of Nucky is winding down is business, and is reflecting on how he got recognised by the Commodore. In a recent flashback he is talking to Mable about how he doesn't even address Nucky. I'm sure bringing Gillian to the Commodore, and something else, had a big impact on him being reconised and make his jump from Deputy Sherrif.

There are some similarities to the other young guy that found Nucky has working for him that was refusing to take the money, to Nucky's own past.

So I'm guessing that Gillian will have some sort of impact....perhaps giving her to Luciano or something of that nature.

I had forgotten about them getting together actually, good point. What Lucky would want with Gillian, I dont know however

reece289

Nucky's wife and child dying will be important, maybe the stage where he gave up Gillian?

Huge now. Perhaps the fact we knew what happening to capone and lucky removed some of the top level stuff we saw and felt with the wire and the Sopranos. Certainly coming home now through.

Chocolate Lions

Someone here said the young lad will be Jimmy's kid. I think that's most likely at this stage. I think he might pop Nucky and then they'll tie it in with Gillian. Sins of the past and all that.

MagicMarker

Chocolate Lions wrote: »

Someone here said the young lad will be Jimmy's kid. I think that's most likely at this stage. I think he might pop Nucky and then they'll tie it in with Gillian. Sins of the past and all that.

Ah ffs that's a kind of thing that should be spoilered.

ThunbergsAreGo

MagicMarker wrote: »

Ah ffs that's a kind of thing that should be spoilered.

Why its all speculation? Good speculation at that...

MagicMarker

naughtb4 wrote: »

Why its all speculation? Good speculation at that...

Exactly. I only want to hear bad speculation that has no chance of being accurate.

Kirby

There is speculation and then there is "speculation".

You know the type, read up on spoilers and then "guess" the outcome. It's rampant in the Game of Thrones forum.

Anachrony

Kirby wrote: »

You know the type, read up on spoilers and then "guess" the outcome. It's rampant in the Game of Thrones forum.

There's a book for that. Where are they going to get Boardwalk Empire spoilers? Sure, they can get spoiled on historical figures like Capone, but central characters like Nucky are so heavily fictionaliized that even if they are loosely based on someone their story has diverged far too much at this point for history to tell us how things will go.

Soft Falling Rain

I see no reason to see the speculation as disingenuous, in fact the show has basically telegraphed it. The actor playing the kid has a striking resemblance to Michael Pitt.

FloatingVoter

Nucky, Eli, Jimmy, The Commodore etc. are all completely fictional. If any or all turn into the sugar plum fairy its fair game.
Luciano and Capone are predetermined. Its why I knew Van Alden was dead once his hands reached Capone's throat.
I do think that with the amount being left out of this season - there may be a follow-up. Luciano and Lansky are menacing shadows in the background. They've gone from carriers of bags to their rightful place in history as the makers of the rules. Capone's rise from senior thug to Chicago overlord hasn't been documented. The death of Rothstein ? I'm thinking (hoping) there might be a parallel show on the foundation and rise of the modern US Mafia in development somewhere.

Roanmore

FloatingVoter wrote: »

I'm thinking (hoping) there might be a parallel show on the foundation and rise of the modern US Mafia in development somewhere.

Was done a long time ago, brilliant show. Would love to get my hands on it somewhere but no luck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gangster_Chronicles
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081867/

Chocolate Lions

I don't have any more knowledge than you guys, just pure guessing!

FloatingVoter

Roanmore wrote: »

Was done a long time ago, brilliant show. Would love to get my hands on it somewhere but no luck.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gangster_Chronicles
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081867/

The immortal Robert Davi - one man you don't need to meet in a dark alley. Still a drama-doc from 1981 isn't what I was thinking of. But definitely along the lines of.

Anachrony

FloatingVoter wrote: »

Nucky, Eli, Jimmy, The Commodore etc. are all completely fictional.

http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/boardwalkempire.php

Well, not completely, they have historical inspirations, but the plot of Boardwalk Empire is fiction, it doesn't accurately follow the real life details of those inspirations. It's different enough that anything could happen to Nucky.

dougm1970

series 3 of this was epic...with gyp rosetti...in hindsight it set expectations too high for whats come since.

Soft Falling Rain

I said before that I didn't think much of Season 3, or for Gyp as a villain. Good character and played well, but he was just a psycho and not very bright. How easy he and his crew was disposed of in the end empathises that.

That being said, S3 is probably home to the best scenes such as Owen in a box, Nucky not knowing whether he was being transported to a sanctuary or his death by Chalky and Richard's one man wrecking crew.

_Kaiser_

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

I said before that I didn't think much of Season 3, or for Gyp as a villain. Good character and played well, but he was just a psycho and not very bright. How easy he and his crew was disposed of in the end empathises that.

That being said, S3 is probably home to the best scenes such as Owen in a box, Nucky not knowing whether he was being transported to a sanctuary or his death by Chalky and Richard's one man wrecking crew.

All why Season 3 was epic! Plus it took Capone and a gang war to bring him down in the end. Season 3 was definitely the highlight of this show

youcancallmeal

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

All why Season 3 was epic! Plus it took Capone and a gang war to bring him down in the end. Season 3 was definitely the highlight of this show

Agreed, Season 3 was probably the peak of the show for me and then it fell away sharply in Season 4. In retrospect the whole Chalky storyline proved to be a boring, most of the time he was on screen throughout the series he just sat there brooding saying nothing.