Van Nistelrooy gone to Hamburg !

Oliver1985

Just saw a report there on rte.ie that he has joined them!!! Really thought he would come Premier League!

That_Guy

I don't think his legs would've been the same for the pace of the PL to be honest.

Helix

tax is too high in england

Cool Running

Same here, expected him to end up in the Prem League. Was hoping he'd go to Liverpool. He must reckon that this is the best way to make the Dutch team for the World Cup

Spiritoftheseventies

thanks. Ill put this in my january transfer window thread.

Insect Overlord

Read yesterday that Spurs refused to pay him £100,000 a week. He's a damn good goal-scorer, but there's no point breaking the bank on him when there's such a risk of serious injury.
Wonder if Hamburg will pay him that much...

Thanx 4 The Fish

That_Guy wrote: »

I don't think his legs would've been the same for the pace of the PL to be honest.

I think that he would have been fine. Is a good move for him, reckon he will score goals.

Spiritoftheseventies

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote: »

I think that he would have been fine. Is a good move for him, reckon he will score goals.

didnt finish well for him with United. Had him in my fantasy league the year he finished with United. If i had known there was stuff going on between him and fergie would have sold him straight away.

redout

He wasnt worth £100,000+ a week as he has a woeful injury record.

He came back at the start of the season after nearly a year out with a knee injury then he got himself injured again for another couple of months. Also the fact he is 33 going on 34 this year. Definitely high risk.

Helix

redout wrote: »

He wasnt worth £100,000+ a week as he has a woeful injury record.

He came back at the start of the season after nearly a year out with a knee injury then he got himself injured again for another couple of months. Also the fact he is 33 going on 34 this year. Definitely high risk.

its a risk worth taking. compare him to a "low risk" signing like harewood at villa

Harewood
transfer fee: £4m
wages: £20,000 pw approx
time at club: 3 years
total outlay: £7.1m

RVN
transfer fee: £0
wages: £100,000 pw
time at new club: 18 month contract
total outlay: £7.8m

i know who id rather have

therokerroar

It had to be RvN that David Sullivan at West Ham had said they had offered £100,000 a week to sign like.

kenon

He made the right choice in going to Hamburg.

He done well in Holland, UK, Spain and now he can throw his hand at Germany.

He made it clear a couple of days ago that he wouldn't be joining a Premier League team.

redout

Helix wrote: »

its a risk worth taking. compare him to a "low risk" signing like harewood at villa

Harewood
transfer fee: £4m
wages: £20,000 pw approx
time at club: 3 years
total outlay: £7.1m

RVN
transfer fee: £0
wages: £100,000 pw
time at new club: 18 month contract
total outlay: £7.8m

i know who id rather have

Tell me this:

What if he gets another serious longterm injury which he has record of and your stuck paying £100,000 per week for a dud. If he wasnt so injury prone then perhaps but not with his record and age.

EDIT: Just to add he only moved because he came out of retirement again (how many times now?) to try go the world cup.

Helix

redout wrote: »

Tell me this:

What if he gets another serious longterm injury which he has record of and your stuck paying £100,000 per week for a dud. If he wasnt so injury prone then perhaps but not with his record and age.

as opposed to a "low risk" player who never plays anyway? at least with rvn youll get goals when he plays

x in the city

RVN is not worth 100k a week :rolleyes:

didnt know hamburg had monies like that floating around tbh

redout

Helix wrote: »

as opposed to a "low risk" player who never plays anyway? at least with rvn youll get goals when he plays

All I am saying is that I would be more prudent to go for a player who doesnt have an injury track record like his especially if your going to have to pay such high wages. Surely players can be brought in who score goals and dont carry a dodgy injury record.

Helix

redout wrote: »

All I am saying is that I would be more prudent to go for a player who doesnt have an injury track record like his especially if your going to have to pay such high wages. Surely players can be brought in who score goals and dont carry a dodgy injury record.

yeah possibly, but would they also have the marquee factor of rvn? for clubs like hamburg, that factor cant be disregarded. there are a LOT of clubs who could do with a big name like that to kick them on a little in terms of how theyre seen in terms of ambition

yahoo_moe

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Wonder if Hamburg will pay him that much...

With a lower tax rate, they won't quite have to. 45% top rate v 50% but it'll give them a bit of help.

Spiritoftheseventies wrote:

didnt finish well for him with United. Had him in my fantasy league the year he finished with United.

Still scored 24 goals though, 21 in the league despite being dropped for a bit. Hardly shabby.

~Rebel~

x in the city wrote: »

RVN is not worth 100k a week :rolleyes:

didnt know hamburg had monies like that floating around tbh

them german clubs are bloody well run. The premiership would do well to take a look at the bundesliga's business model.

leninbenjamin

Good move for him tbh. German league isn't renowned for it's defensive qualities these days, so he'll get a lot of opportunities and chances to demonstrate his finishing imo. And Hamburg aren't exactly blessed with big names either so he should have no problem carving a starting place. I think he'll give van Marwijk a good headache.

x in the city

~Rebel~ wrote: »

them german clubs are bloody well run. The premiership would do well to take a look at the bundesliga's business model.

and adopt a drinking culture like them also...:pac:

Eirebear

ZOMFG!121!!! he didnt go to the "best league in the world"!?

Its coz hes finished innit?

Mrmoe

As a loan signing 100,000 a week wouldn't be too bad for a player of his calibre. It is no surprise that he went to Germany. I would say that there is limited money available in the EPL for players like RvN. Good gamble for Hamburg.

Spiritoftheseventies

yahoo_moe wrote: »

With a lower tax rate, they won't quite have to. 45% top rate v 50% but it'll give them a bit of help.

Still scored 24 goals though, 21 in the league despite being dropped for a bit. Hardly shabby.

think he finished the second half of season on bench. Not disputing his form at all. One of the best strikers United have had but there seems to have been a bit of a falling out between him and fergie.

CorkMan

redout wrote: »

He wasnt worth £100,000+ a week as he has a woeful injury record.

He came back at the start of the season after nearly a year out with a knee injury then he got himself injured again for another couple of months. Also the fact he is 33 going on 34 this year. Definitely high risk.

He came back after injury, scored a goal within 3 minutes, then injured himself celebrating....out for another couple of months.

PHB

He's 33 now, but he still has something to offer imo. Should be a good buy for Hamburg.

ROCKMAN

PHB wrote: »

He's 33 now, but he still has something to offer imo. Should be a good buy for Hamburg.

Agree , good move for both IMO, Even at 33 he'll still score goals ,one of the best finishers in the last ten years , Has scored goals every where he has been.

Bukman13

Van Nistelrooy came off the bench and scored 2goals in 2mins helping hamburg to a 3-1 win.

Such a pity he didn't come to the Premier League on loan.

kenon

The man is an absolute legend.

The Dutchman entered the fray in the 65th minute with the score at 1-1 and struck twice in a three-minute spell to hand Stuttgart their first defeat under former Tottenham Hotspur coach Christian Gross.

m@cc@

I was working for Nike in Holland and who should sit down in the canteen at the table beside us but old Ruud himself. Had to resist the temptation to go up and shake his hand.

noodler

Was he eating grass? Or salt-lick?

I'm terrible.


Nah seriously, if I were in his shoes I would probably want to try a new league rather than go back to the EPL.

Spiritoftheseventies

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Good move for him tbh. German league isn't renowned for it's defensive qualities these days, so he'll get a lot of opportunities and chances to demonstrate his finishing imo. And Hamburg aren't exactly blessed with big names either so he should have no problem carving a starting place. I think he'll give van Marwijk a good headache.

Surely he would want to be playing against top defenders?

flahavaj

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

Surely he would want to be playing against top defenders?

Theres only a handful of top class defenders in the Premiership, don't kid yourself. Standard of defending in the league, especially this season is appalling. Even in the top four theres been some pretty awful stuff this year. Outside it, a lot of it is laughable.

Spiritoftheseventies

flahavaj wrote: »

Theres only a handful of top class defenders in the Premiership, don't kid yourself. Standard of defending in the league, especially this season is appalling. Even in the top four theres been some pretty awful stuff this year. Outside it, a lot of it is laughable.

the point im making that moving to Germany because defending is supposedly not as good as other leagues shouldn't be an incentive for RVN. Anytop player worth his salt wants to play against the best.

flahavaj

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

the point im making that moving to Germany because defending is supposedly not as good as other leagues shouldn't be an incentive for RVN. Anytop player worth his salt wants to play against the best.

Point I'm making is that he wouldn't have ancountered that much top class defending in the Prem either way. Most of it is cat.

noodler

Well I assume the lack of defensive talent in the prem is alluding to the teams below the top 4?

If so I would it is a really tough comparison unless you watch alot of football in the other leagues (especially when it isn't the so-called big teams playing each other).

However there are players like, Dunne, Cahill, Collins, Haangland, King (deswpite injuries), Onuhaha (sp?), Yobo, etc etc.

Maybe we mean the general setup/stlye of defedning that is poor rather than the individual players? I certainyl find it hard to believe the Prem's defenders are any worse that La Liga's, Germany's or Dutch. Serie A is really all I can believe .

everdead.ie

noodler wrote: »

Well I assume the lack of defensive talent in the prem is alluding to the teams below the top 4?

If so I would it is a really tough comparison unless you watch alot of football in the other leagues (especially when it isn't the so-called big teams playing each other).

However there are players like, Dunne, Cahill, Collins, Haangland, King (deswpite injuries), Onuhaha (sp?), Yobo, etc etc.

Maybe we mean the general setup/stlye of defedning that is poor rather than the individual players? I certainyl find it hard to believe the Prem's defenders are any worse that La Liga's, Germany's or Dutch. Serie A is really all I can believe .

Again tho even Serie A is due to the set up and mindset of the teams more so then the over all quality

noodler

everdead.ie wrote: »

Again tho even Serie A is due to the set up and mindset of the teams more so then the over all quality

Thats fair enough, it just seems harsh the PL defenders would get so much stick just because the whole team plays faster football.

Maybe we do have to distinguish between differences in team defending and individuals defenders.

cson

Have you seen any matches in Serie A this season? Actually, have you seen any of the scorelines even? It's far from 0-0s this seasons.

noodler

cson wrote: »

Have you seen any matches in Serie A this season? Actually, have you seen any of the scorelines even? It's far from 0-0s this seasons.

Great, even more of a boon for teh PL.

kenon

Two neat finishes. One on his left and one on his right. Great movement for both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcX6EEWie4g