Should we pay for water ?

kumate_champ07

Overheal wrote: »

You know, theres places in Africa where they'd gladly pay for water.

great idea, we could make a few bob selling some water to Africa!

Morlar

Overheal wrote: »

The World doesnt revolve around Dublin, Morlar

Nor does it revolve around africa.

I mean seriously, saying africans would gladly pay for our water supply. . . of all the heartless posts I have come across. For shame!

Overheal

Morlar wrote: »

Nor does it revolve around africa.

I mean seriously, saying africans would gladly pay for our water supply. . . of all the heartless posts I have come across. For shame!

Well I could have said they would Kill for some fresh water but I thought that would be too implicit :rolleyes:

Morlar

Overheal wrote: »

Well I could have said they would Kill for some fresh water but I thought that would be too implicit :rolleyes

Well if it comes down to it I am all for killing gormley to maintain our own current 'toll-free water supply' status within europe.

Overheal

You guys pick hilarious things to get into a fuss about. If they get too close to metering water use there will be pitchforks and torches on O'Connel street. Bailout scandals etc. bla bla are just too Meh to get out of bed for I guess.

Morlar

Overheal wrote: »

You guys pick hilarious things to get into a fuss about.

Well when you get your €420* bill for a water meter next year, and then the €190* bill for supply the first year, and the year 2 supply one of €230* and so on let me know how that works out for you.




*conservative figures out of thin air

AckwelFoley

I love the Irish mentality

We want the government to supply everything Free of charge.

The normal response to this is "I PAY TAX RABBLE RABBLE"

My answer, you may, but not the amount you would need to pay to be in receipt of the services you would like.

If you want it, pay for it

ART6

Should we pay for potable water supplies? Yes
Should we pay for sewage services? Yes
Should we pay for bin collections? Yes
Should we pay for electricity? Yes
Should we pay for gas for cooking and heating? Yes
Should we pay for heating oil? Yes

The issue to me is that the first three are provided by the state, for which we already pay taxes, while the latter three are provided by companies -- we can use them or decide not to. Oh I accept that I could drill a well and hire Mr. Binman to collect my waste, but I would still be paying the same tax. I could buy a septic tank but I would still be paying the government. No-one would give me a reduction for my tank of s**t. I would accept a water meter if I thought for a moment that Mr. Cowen and his highwaymen would reduce my taxes accordingly:(

Thomas828

In Britain when the water/utilities were privatised we no longer paid for water through the rates. We pay directly to the water companies. Thames Water are now using part of that money to replace London's water mains, most of which are more than a century old and leaking in numerous places. What public sector company could get it together to do this? Also with meters people are more careful about how they use water.

CrazyRabbit

Add 1 billion to the government coffers.....hmm. Somebody forgot to mention that this 1 billion will have to come out of the economy.
That's 1 billion less being spent on goods & services in the country. That reduces VAT income quite a bit, slows down recovery and will likely result in more job losses. The job losses mean less income tax and more social welfare payments.

So, they will then have to raise income tax or something else to make up for lost income tax/vat tax and increased social welfare payments.

And so the cycle continues.

And I believe I read earlier that they cannot even account for a very large percentage of the water supply. Nobody knows where it is going, but it is suspected that it is leaking out into the ground. Talk about money down the drain!!!!

So no....no water charges. I'm not paying for the mistakes of greedy contractors who laid dodgy pipes to begin with.

R0ot

Back to using the local well and tanks I go.

oh sh!t I'm not in Donegal any more /o\

Helix

they should have a well in every town for people who dont want to pay for their piped water supply, that gives them the option. but in terms of the stuff being pumped through hugely expensive piping systems, then yeah i dont see why there shouldnt be a fee

old boy

most people that live in the country have to pay for water, so a little equality will do no harm, if the majority have it for free then why not the minority

Idbatterim

[/QUOTE]I love the Irish mentality

We want the government to supply everything Free of charge.

The normal response to this is "I PAY TAX RABBLE RABBLE"

My answer, you may, but not the amount you would need to pay to be in receipt of the services you would like.

If you want it, pay for it

I do have an issue paying more when there is so much wastage and over paid Ps workers! come back to me when thats been addressed!

changes

It'll start at 300 or 400 per year and give it 5 years we will be paying 1000 or more. These are all things the government used to get paid for but bought elections by getting rid of them, just like property tax.

As for having to pay for the meter yourself..... no thanks i don't want one.

Thats like being crucified and having to pay for the cross.

Agricola

Im on a group water scheme down t'country here and its a laugh a minute. Its run by all the local farmers. One of them comes around once, sometimes twice a year looking for 4 or 500 quid. He has some agm figures scribbled down on an A4, hasnt much clue about what hes talking about, only that he always, always needs more money to go towards the new resevoir (which theyve been talking about for the last 5 years) and for the meters which will "soon" be installed. I could have sunk 2 private wells for the price of what Ive shelled out to date and the end doesnt appear to be in sight yet!

galwayrush

I'd pay to get rid of some.....:rolleyes:

lisaface

Oh dear, I thought the title said 'Should we PRAY for water', I was like whattt hahaha oh so funneh!

Yes, yes we should, NOTHING IS FREE IN LIFE - never has been and never will be like. *shrugs* my 2cents!

cian1500ww

How much is it going to put a meter on every single house in the entire country ??

Bad idea, it'll cost us a fortune

bluto63

The wastage of water in this country is insane. Take when it was snowing for example, people were leaving their taps on all night to prevent the freezing which was completely unnecessary! The government has to pay for that to be cleaned and purified and in turn, tax payers have to pay for it. And as it stands, only 40% of the water is making it to the taps. So that's a huge amount wasted, and therefore a huge amount of tax payers money wasted. So yes, I think it's a good idea for water to be regulated. It'll encourage people not to waste so much, those who do will pay for it and those who save water will benefit from it

Lu Tze

cian1500ww wrote: »

How much is it going to put a meter on every single house in the entire country ??

Bad idea, it'll cost us a fortune

Under the water framework directive we have to install meters, UK and Ireland have already had a few years dispensation on this from europe.

Its been shown else where. On strict terms, it isn't an economically viable solution. It is more about changing peoples behaviour to use less, purchase more efficient products (washing machines etc.).

For all those saying they don't want to pay when X% is leaking out of the infrastructure, you are paying for electricity despite a certain amount of that "leaking" from the infrastructure as well.

cian1500ww

bluto63 wrote: »

The wastage of water in this country is insane. Take when it was snowing for example, people were leaving their taps on all night to prevent the freezing which was completely unnecessary! The government has to pay for that to be cleaned and purified and in turn, tax payers have to pay for it. And as it stands, only 40% of the water is making it to the taps. So that's a huge amount wasted, and therefore a huge amount of tax payers money wasted. So yes, I think it's a good idea for water to be regulated. It'll encourage people not to waste so much, those who do will pay for it and those who save water will benefit from it

So we'll be paying in the double for it :mad:

irishh_bob

dsmythy wrote: »

The money raised would help fix this problem.

some of it might , most of it would end up paying public servants , the unions would insist on it

Prof.Badass

On principle I am against governemnt imposing blanket charges like this (regressive taxes i believe they are called). Imo, ideally everything should be payed for by income tax (or at least a combination of income tax and VAT).
And let's be honest, this will do sweet fuck all to curb water consumption. People will think "well we're paying for it already" and help themselves guilt free. This is nothing more than a government trick, designed purely to raise extra money while encountering the minimum possible resistance.

I guess if they installed meters and charged you according to how much you use i wouldn't be so strongly against it, but that would cost millions so it's not going to happen any time soon.

irishh_bob

bonerm wrote: »

Gormley should get cancer quick before he risks becoming even more unpopular.

dont know which is worse , your comment or that you got a thanks for it

questionmark?

BluesBerry wrote: »

No we shouldnt the government screw us enough through stelth taxes :mad:give the public a break and leave our free water alone ffs

Yes they do screw us with all the taxes(so many varities) as quite simply we dont get value for money with all the wastage in all things the public service get their grubby hands on. The water isnt free we already pay for it. Gormless just wants to satisfy his tree hugger friends a bit like the carbon tax.

bluto63

cian1500ww wrote: »

So we'll be paying in the double for it :mad:

How so?

mfceiling

Who's coming into my house to install a water metre - answer - no-one
Don't give a flying fcuk who you say you are...you're not coming in the house or round the side so feck off - that goes for you as well gormley with your little píss holes in the snow for eyes - sneaky looking gobsheen

dvpower

mfceiling wrote: »

Who's coming into my house to install a water metre - answer - no-one
Don't give a flying fcuk who you say you are...you're not coming in the house or round the side so feck off - that goes for you as well gormley with your little píss holes in the snow for eyes - sneaky looking gobsheen

cian1500ww

bluto63 wrote: »

How so?

Our taxes pay for the water at the moment and now they want us to pay for how much we use as well :rolleyes: