SU Election Candidates - Mod Warning post 196

irish_goat

Please don't let this guy get elected.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/VOTE-CONOR-CURLEY-FOR-FINANCE-NUIM/502156260346

so why vote for me? well its a business position and im doin business! kinda a NO BRAINIER since finance offier is in charge of advising the SU on business issues! I'm running for the position cause i would be a bloody brilliant Finance officer since i want the position and running for the sake of it!

if i was elected i would REDUCE THE PRICES in that rip off LONDIS in John Hume( and yes the finance officer can do that)! i would get cheaper vending machines cause no matter how thirsty or hungry(or plain chubby and want another chocolate bar) you are, we SHOULDN'T BE RIPPED OFF! I'm not gonna make up promises like some candidates running for the student union this year( some promising world peace), many of which they have no power for, but i will work hard to reduce prices for the students of NUIM and that is guaranteed.

I will do the world a favor and kill off Sarah Jessica Parker( for every unlucky son of bitch who was trapped into watching SEX and THE CITY) and I'm open to any suggestions on ideas in trapping her in NUIM!



A VOTE FOR ME IS A VOTE CHEAPER SERVICES ON CAMPUS!

A BUSINESS STUDENT FOR A BUSINESS POSITION MAKES A BIT OF SENSE!

Rozabeez

Jayo4prez, just to let you know, the NUIM boards.ie community here generally frown upon txtspk (your nick) and people who sign up just to pimp out their campaign.

Also, welcome to boards.ie, we hope you enjoy your stay. The emergency exits are to the left and right.

Seren_

Originally posted by Conor Curley's fb group
ELECTIONS ON THURSDAY AND I'LL NEED EVERY VOTE I CAN GET, STEAL OR BRIBE!!!

lol

I think the first thing a candidate should know is the actual day the elections are on.

meganj

Thought I'd throw my two cents in here. I think Rob is doing a wonderful job in his campaign for VP/Comms, I have every faith that he will rock the position and do the very best he can, and more. I've been with Rob (as many have) when he's been talking/ranting about making things more accessible online and making the Print something to be reckoned with.

I think his realization that the college is about five years behind the students when it comes to the tinternet is a very important one. In addition to this Rob really does care about the Print and making it better and better. It was a marked improvement this year from the Spoke (shudder) but it can be better and I think Rob has some excellent ideas for how to do that, bar just filling it with sports like some other candidates have suggested.

And if those reasons weren't good enough to vote for Rob there's always these ones; he looks lovely in his posters and BarleyBooley may kill anyone who doesn't vote Rob!

irish_goat

Your Text Here wrote: »

lol

I think the first thing a candidate should know is the actual day the elections are on.

Haha, never even noticed that. :pac:

princess_calico

irish_goat wrote: »

Please don't let this guy get elected.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/VOTE-CONOR-CURLEY-FOR-FINANCE-NUIM/502156260346

This just screams "Vote Declan Meenagh"

funky penguin

Your Text Here wrote: »

lol

I think the first thing a candidate should know is the actual day the elections are on.

This jumped out at me as well......frightening really.

PrivateEye

UCD Elections coming up.

One lad for President, uncontested.
One lad for one of the other Sabbats (welfare I think?), uncontested.
No female candidates for ANY position.


Go NUIM, woo.

Jayo4Prez

hypersquirrel wrote: »

Your attitude here is most certainly not going to convince me to vote for you and if you are you talk the way you type then maybe the leaflets are a better idea for ya.

Clearly people have said things about you that you don't like but if you get offended by them and feel the need to go on a defensive then maybe the position of President is not for you. A position where every decision you make will be judged and critiqued. It requires a level of maturity which your posts seem to be lacking.

Clearly they have!!!!!!:rolleyes: Okay, lets put a bit of context on this. At the start of this forum I was accused of being a Fascist and then being too left wing all in the one post. I just felt the need to set the record straight, which I feel I have done satisfactorly (forgive the spelling).

Okay, to answer your concerns. You claim that I have shown that I have a lack of maturity in my responses. As I say above, attack my policies or ideas if you wish, but comments on my physical appearance are not necessary nor a reflection on my abilities. That's like saying that I cant be President because I have blue eyes!!!!!!!!! I merely used the fact that I have approached hundreds of people in 4 days myself to illustrate the point that my physical fitness is not a problem.

Now, as for the tactics that I have deployed, I am merely speaking the truth. The vibes that I got from the comment that I quoted was that the commenter was sick of sheets and he made the point of stating that all candidates were at it. I was merely stating that there are hundreds of students at NUIM who know different. The way I said it might have come across a wee bit on the sharp side, however, I will admit.

Finally, you are right about one thing. As President, I might make a decision that might rub someone the wrong way, and yes, as an elected official, I will have to ship any and all criticism. I can live with that. But that is in terms of mine doing the job of President, not my character.

Hope that alleviates your concerns.

Jayo4Prez

Rozabeez wrote: »

Jayo4prez, just to let you know, the NUIM boards.ie community here generally frown upon txtspk (your nick) and people who sign up just to pimp out their campaign.

Also, welcome to boards.ie, we hope you enjoy your stay. The emergency exits are to the left and right.

A stance that I fully appreciate and understand. However, I do have to say that the only reason that I came onto Boards was to respond to some fairly nasty comments made about me, something that, if I wasn't serious about getting elected, I wouldn't bother about.

Now, while I appreciate that Aengus is the majority of the Boards community's preferred choice, I dont feel that gives people the right to use the fact that they contributed on Boards before the election to take swipes at me which, frankly, were juvenile and not just a little below the belt!!!!!!!!

Also, if I may be so bold, I am not the only Boards virgin who has 'pimped his campaign' and, frankly, when Cait came on to respond, there wasn't a word!!!!!

All I am asking is fair play. I don't think that is a bad thing.

Jayo4Prez

mickstupp wrote: »

I don't like being agreed with, whether in reality (since that'd make you as grouchy and narrow-minded as me) or just for the sake of making a point about the way you approach your campaign.

No vote for you.

Besides, I noticed the other day how you spoke and offered cards to two young ladies sitting beside me, and didn't even bother with me. And I wasn't wearing headphones at the time either. I may have been scowling but that's not unusual...

There are a number of reasons why I dont approach certain people over others. If you were eating, reading or, as you say, just not looking in the humour, well then I dont bother people.

Now, as regards my point, one complaint that has been consistently made by members of the student body is that they feel that the S.U. is a tad distant.

The old addige of 'Starting as you mean to go on' is, I feel, applicable. I am interacting with hundreds of students a day. That is the way that I want my time as President to be about...... the Union and Sabbats interacting the people whom they serve.

Finally, if I offended you, I don appologise sincerely and I hope that you didn't see my point as opportunistic.

Rozabeez

Jayo4Prez wrote: »

A stance that I fully appreciate and understand. However, I do have to say that the only reason that I came onto Boards was to respond to some fairly nasty comments made about me, something that, if I wasn't serious about getting elected, I wouldn't bother about.

Now, while I appreciate that Aengus is the majority of the Boards community's preferred choice, I dont feel that gives people the right to use the fact that they contributed on Boards before the election to take swipes at me which, frankly, were juvenile and not just a little below the belt!!!!!!!!

Also, if I may be so bold, I am not the only Boards virgin who has 'pimped his campaign' and, frankly, when Cait came on to respond, there wasn't a word!!!!!

All I am asking is fair play. I don't think that is a bad thing.

My post wasn't a mod warning, it was a heads up so that you don't end up putting your foot in it with this crowd.

My apologies if I've offended you.

Nision

irish_goat wrote: »

Please don't let this guy get elected.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/VOTE-CONOR-CURLEY-FOR-FINANCE-NUIM/502156260346

Ah to be fair now, you shouldn't take this so seriously.
Last years candidate promised to be "Jewishly good with money".
There's no real work for finance officer anyway, if he's having a laugh let him be.
Its up to candidates to carve out their own role with their own ideas. His is the prices in the shop, wait until hustings to see how serious he is.

irish_goat

Nision wrote: »

Ah to be fair now, you shouldn't take this so seriously.
Last years candidate promised to be "Jewishly good with money".
There's no real work for finance officer anyway, if he's having a laugh let him be.
Its up to candidates to carve out their own role with their own ideas. His is the prices in the shop, wait until hustings to see how serious he is.

Jewishly good with money? :pac:

His shop prices idea is good but I'm pretty sure the SU finance officer has no control over a shop that is contracted by the college.

It's his "I do business thus must be a good finance officer" bit whichs puts me off.

Jayo4Prez

Rozabeez wrote: »

My post wasn't a mod warning, it was a heads up so that you don't end up putting your foot in it with this crowd.

My apologies if I've offended you.

Thank you. It takes a fair person, especially one who is calling the shots, to admit when a misunderstanding has taken place.

As I said above, to shy away from illigitimate criticism is not in my nature nor my plans.

Again, fair play to you. It's a hell of a lot more than I have gotten from other 'contributers'.

funky penguin

irish_goat wrote: »

Jewishly good with money? :pac:

His shop prices idea is good but I'm pretty sure the SU finance officer has no control over a shop that is contracted by the college.

It's his "I do business thus must be a good finance officer" bit whichs puts me off.

Indeed. I do music and I'm a **** musician. :pac:

Nision

Apparently the finance officer does sit on the committee that "runs" the shop, although i'd question the influence of this.
(Credit goes to Aengus's knowledge of how the college works for this)
Also, it would be possible to do something, (DCU is a perfect example)
Eg, Picket the shop, set up a SU shop to compete, poster campaign with price comparisons etc.
But all in all, i don't think Londis on campus is actually overpriced? I certainly don't notice any difference?

PS.
Don't take my defence of this Curly chap to mean i'l be voting for him.
I wont.

leopoldbloom

Nision wrote: »

Apparently the finance officer does sit on the committee that "runs" the shop, although i'd question the influence of this.
(Credit goes to Aengus's knowledge of how the college works for this)
Also, it would be possible to do something, (DCU is a perfect example)
Eg, Picket the shop, set up a SU shop to compete, poster campaign with price comparisons etc.
But all in all, i don't think Londis on campus is actually overpriced? I certainly don't notice any difference?

Actually, the President is on the Shop Management Committee, the finance officer is not, but is responsible for price-comparison and adjustment lobbying from within the SU executive, and ultimately to Union Council.

SU Constitution (11.4(f) wrote:

(The finance officer ... )Shall conduct a price survey comparing Union services to equivalent
competing services and present the results to Union Council.

LeixlipRed

Jayo4Prez wrote: »

Quite cute!!!!!!!!!

All I will say is, while this is all fine and dandy, at least everyone knows who I am and know that I will address any and all questions and criticisms.

Also, my waistline hasn't stopped me covering much more ground than the other candidates.

Plus, if I am a tool, how is it that I can do all my own talking, instead of getting campaign managers to do it for me?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D

Fair enough, my comment was a bit out of line but you are the person I was thinking about. We had a fairly heated debate on the picket at south campus gates the day of the strike about the Israeli/Palestine issue and to be completely frank, you got into the argument without having a clue what you were on about. In my opinion you're a lefty in name only, you have no distinct political policies and in general, talked through your hole. You certainly won't be receiving my vote.

Jayo4Prez

LeixlipRed wrote: »

Fair enough, my comment was a bit out of line but you are the person I was thinking about. We had a fairly heated debate on the picket at south campus gates the day of the strike about the Israeli/Palestine issue and to be completely frank, you got into the argument without having a clue what you were on about. In my opinion you're a lefty in name only, you have no distinct political policies and in general, talked through your hole. You certainly won't be receiving my vote.

Firstly, fair play for getting back to me.

Now that that is out of the way, let's get down to business. Firstly I never professed to be left, right or centre. I was on that picket because I thought that it was the right thing to do, not because I support a left wing agenda, the Labour Youth or WSM or SP or WSP. I hold no memberships for any of these groups and during my time with F.E.E., I consistently made a point of saying that I was a one issue pony and once Third Level fees were cut out of the budget, I was gone. I stayed a wee bit longer after the fees were done away with, but I have already stated the reasons for my departure. There are no secrets.

I support fairness and equality in the system so bereft of fairness. If not waiting for the revolution, not debating the finer points of Marxist theory or not having the finer points of the Palistinian/Isreali debate down makes me a 'lefty in name only' well then fair enough. I am a moderate in that I hold views both deemed to the left and the right. I am Pro-life, a practicing Catholic and quite traditionalist. I was asked at Hustings about my religious beliefs and it is in my manifesto and I dont hide them. However, I do believe in nationalisation and looking after the most vulnerable in society, something capatilism in its current form does not seem to care a whole lot about.

Now, to get to your point about said conversation, as far as I can remember, I wanted trade embargoes and you wanted more eh... direct action. I felt that attacking trigger-happy Isrealis was no the way to go. A difference in opinions on tactics does not mean that I am 'talking through my hole', it just means that I dont agree with your thoughts. Yours might be better informed than mine, but that just means that you have more information than average, not that I have less than average. Also, if you remember, I asked you (or one of your mates) to tell me why there were so many factions within the Socialist/Left-wing scene because I didn't understand why there was so much division. You (allowing for the fact that it was you) graciously gave me a general synopsis. I am not saying that I have all the answers, neither here, at Hustings or on my manifesto. You, and everyone else, have, in various fields, more knowledge than me. That's just life. For me to ask help, an opinion or for information concerning a topic that I have limited or no knowledge of is not a sign of weakness, I dont think, or 'talking through my hole'. It is a sign that I want to get the people who know the stuff to advice me and to help me to do the best job that I can.

Again, this is not canvassing time, this is purely to set the record straight.

allandanyways

This is to all Presidential candidates and not just to Jason, but if you were President, would you be completely impartial towards each and every other student on campus? Even the ones who had, for example, political, religious and moral beliefs that were the exact opposite to yours?

Jason, for example, you have said that you're a practicising, pro-life Catholic. So where would you stand when it came to the promotion of S.H.A.G week on campus? I know it's mainly VP Welfare involved in that campaign, but just for example, would you be uncomfortable or have issues with something that promoted the use of contraceptives, provided details of abortion counselling agencies? Because I have one or two friends that would be of the same religious belief as yourself, and they have a serious problem with SHAG week (nothing worth complaining about, they just don't like the various things that I've mentioned).

*I am not turning this into a pro-life/choice, religious debate. Just asking how your religious/political beliefs would impact on your role as President.

PrivateEye

Oh jesus lets not get into Israel/Palestine, in a thread on MSU elections.

Let this picture of do-gooder Western twats dressing like Avatar characters travelling to the West Bank be the end of all Israel/Palestine conversation in this thread:

Why there were so many factions within the Socialist/Left-wing scene

Because the first item on the agenda is always the split.

Ataxia

I have to say the "I do business so I'd make a good finance officer" argument reminds me very much of Gemma's "I do politics so I'd make a good returning officer." Take from that what you will.

Jayo4Prez

allandanyways wrote: »

This is to all Presidential candidates and not just to Jason, but if you were President, would you be completely impartial towards each and every other student on campus? Even the ones who had, for example, political, religious and moral beliefs that were the exact opposite to yours?

Jason, for example, you have said that you're a practicising, pro-life Catholic. So where would you stand when it came to the promotion of S.H.A.G week on campus? I know it's mainly VP Welfare involved in that campaign, but just for example, would you be uncomfortable or have issues with something that promoted the use of contraceptives, provided details of abortion counselling agencies? Because I have one or two friends that would be of the same religious belief as yourself, and they have a serious problem with SHAG week (nothing worth complaining about, they just don't like the various things that I've mentioned).

*I am not turning this into a pro-life/choice, religious debate. Just asking how your religious/political beliefs would impact on your role as President.

Good question and fair play.

Okay, as regards all these issues, the 'Judge not lest thou be Judged' line of thought applies with me. S.H.A.G. week is an absolute necessity with the level of sexual activity that is on campus and whether I agree with it or not, that is not going to change. So the best that I can hope for is that students who are sexually active will engage in responsible sex as the lesser of many evils. S.H.A.G week does raise awareness. Obviously, abstinance is my preffered choice but again, I am not going to go down the road of saying this, that or the other is right or wrong because, as the Good Lord says, 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'. I aint without sin:D:D:D:D:D!!!!!!!!!

Now, on a more serious note; the abortion issue. Any woman/girl who feels that she has no other option other than to go through with an abortion has been misinformed in my opinion and, while I have obviously not experienced such a tragic scenario myself, I am sure that it is a decision that will haunt all parties concerned for the rest of their lives.

However, I (or most likely the VP for Welfare) will have to make such details availible to whoever asks for them. That being said, I would make sure that all other avenues had been discussed so that, at the very least, the student is informed. Obviously, what the potential father has to say is also relevant as is potential scenarios such as rape, suicide and the welfare of the mother during and immediately after the birthing process.

Now, while the promotion of 'Choice' whether it concerns abortion or sex or whatever is not my personal belief, by and large, it is the belief of a significant membership of the student body. If elected, I would be representing a student body which has LGBT students, sexually active students, Buddhists, Atheists, Left-wingers, Anglicans, Agnostics and students who are members of Political parties with whom I disagree with. I knew that was the scenario before I decided to run and have decided that, rather than focussing on what divides us, I would choose to promote what makes us a united student body.

In short, my views will influence my thoughts and feelings, yes. I cannot deny that but the needs, demands and situations of the student body will come into my decision-making process also.

I hope that answers your question.

Ataxia

Jason do you believe condom use is a sin?

Jayo4Prez

Ataxia wrote: »

Jason do you believe condom use is a sin?

While I am happy to answer any and all questions relating to anything in my manifesto, I do want to emphasise the fact that there are other issues that I have mentioned that I think should be given the attention they deserve. I would also like to point out that I am not a religious candidate and will not allow my own personal feelings, religious or otherwise to compromise the way I go about doing the job of President. As I dont feel the use or non-use of condoms, sinful or otherwise has any bearing on my ability to perform well in the role of President, I feel that the question, whiloe somewhat justified, sums me up inadequately.

So, if you could expand on the question, Ataxia, I would appreciate it.

allandanyways

Jayo4Prez wrote: »

Okay, as regards all these issues, the 'Judge not lest thou be Judged' line of thought applies with me. I am not going to go down the road of saying this, that or the other is right or wrong because, as the Good Lord says, 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'. I aint without sin:D:D:D:D:D!!!!!!!!!

Ok, that's all well and good, we all should try to live by that motto.

What concerns me is this:

Jayo4Prez wrote: »

Now, on a more serious note; the abortion issue. Any woman/girl who feels that she has no other option other than to go through with an abortion has been misinformed in my opinion and, while I have obviously not experienced such a tragic scenario myself, I am sure that it is a decision that will haunt all parties concerned for the rest of their lives.

Now Jason, I am not judging your character or your ability to be tactful in a difficult situation, but I'm in your English class and on more than one occasion, I've heard you speak aloud in class and you are certainly not without an opinion, and you're not afraid to give it either!

What concerns me here is that the parts of the above quote that I've underlined are the parts that make me doubt what you've said above. As I said, I'm not going into a pro-life/choice debate here, but what I'm saying is that would opinions like the above cloud your judgment when it came to things like SHAG week or if there was some event on Women's Health and organisations like CURA and Postive Options were available to give advice about abortion counselling and such.

I mean, being realistic, these services are badly needed especially in Universities, and I would not be impressed to say the least, if events like that were shadowed by a Pro-Life protest or something like that, simply because with somebody like yourself with such strong beliefs was in authority.

Jayo4Prez wrote: »

Now, while the promotion of 'Choice' whether it concerns abortion or sex or whatever is not my personal belief, by and large, it is the belief of a significant membership of the student body.

Jayo4Prez wrote: »

In short, my views will influence my thoughts and feelings, yes. I cannot deny that but the needs, demands and situations of the student body will come into my decision-making process also.

So considering the above quotations, would you not agree that although you should (obviously) maintain your own personal beliefs and values, should they not be just that- personal. I would think that the role of MSU President would require you to put the needs, demands and situations of the student body before everything else, and as you said, when you have a student body as diverse and different as that of Maynooth, I think you should be completely and totally impartial, and reserve your own beliefs for yourself.

At the end of the day, anybody (FOR EXAMPLE, because I think this is a good example, sorry if I upset/offend anybody) who has to avail of crisis pregnancy agencies/services etc does not need to be told that if they are seeking info about an abortion or abortion counselling that they have "been misinformed" about their choices. Your beliefs do not speak for other people's choices, y'know what I mean?

Ataxia

Jayo4Prez wrote: »

While I am happy to answer any and all questions relating to anything in my manifesto, I do want to emphasise the fact that there are other issues that I have mentioned that I think should be given the attention they deserve. I would also like to point out that I am not a religious candidate and will not allow my own personal feelings, religious or otherwise to compromise the way I go about doing the job of President. As I dont feel the use or non-use of condoms, sinful or otherwise has any bearing on my ability to perform well in the role of President, I feel that the question, whiloe somewhat justified, sums me up inadequately.

So, if you could expand on the question, Ataxia, I would appreciate it.

No problem. My question is this: You admit to being strongly Catholic. The Catholic Church says that condom use is sinful. Do you agree with the Church's position?

The second part of the question is this: The point of following a certain moral teaching is that it in some way influences the way you act in reality. If handing out condoms as part of SHAG week and in general promoting condom use conflicts with your personal ethics, how can we being expected to seriously believe that such a conflict would have no bearing on the way you do your job?

Essentially the same questions apply in the case of abortion.

PrivateEye

At the end of the day, anybody (FOR EXAMPLE, because I think this is a good example, sorry if I upset/offend anybody) who has to avail of crisis pregnancy agencies/services etc does not need to be told that if they are seeking info about an abortion or abortion counselling that they have "been misinformed" about their choices. Your beliefs do not speak for other people's choices, y'know what I mean?

A-bloody-men.

If a female students wants information on abortion services, she wants information on abortion services, not to be sat down and given a lecture motivated by another persons moral beliefs.

If handing out condoms as part of SHAG week and in general promoting condom use conflicts with your personal ethics, how can we being expected to seriously believe that such a conflict would have no bearing on the way you do your job?

I second this question.

CnaG

banquo wrote: »

What's the SU's position on Bertie as guest lecturer and honorary professor:

Liz: The SU isn't there to impose political views on people. We took it to union Council, which is democratically elected, and it was voted on by the student representatives that there was no objection to it.

For real? She actually said that? I remember no such motion...

***Edit*** I do remember that motion. I recall wanting the ground to open and swallow us whole as it was being proposed. My bad, sorry Liz.

On the other hand, the 'no objection' is a bit strong. There was a substantial minority of class reps who did oppose Bertie's appointment. Did this get lost in paraphrasing, or did she actually say 'no objection'?