History - First Premiership match with no starting Englishman

redout

After 17 and a half seasons the Premier league experienced its first ever match with no starting English player. Just heard about this now. The honour goes to Pompey -v- Arsenal on December 30, 2009. Anyone think this has any significance to it ?

Pompey lineup:
Asmir Begovic
Younes Kaboul
Hermann Hreidarsson
Steve Finnan
Tal Ben-Haim
Nadir Belhadj
Aaron Mokoena
Richard Hughes
Kevin-Prince Boateng
Hassan Yebda
Frederic Piquionne

Arsenal lineup:
Manuel Almunia
Bacary Sagna
Thomas Vermaelen
William Gallas
Armand Traore
Abou Diaby
Aaron Ramsey
Alex Song
Samir Nasri
Andrey Arshavin
Eduardo

event

no

Eire-Dearg

Manuel Almunia?

FUNKY LOVER

ye it shows english players overhyped overpriced and have the wrong attitude.

SantryRed

Is Steve FInnan not English? Always thought he was.

leninbenjamin

No not really tbh. It's a cause of concern for the grass roots and the FA, but for the game as a whole it simply a symbol of the ever increasing globalisation and commercialisation, it's been moving towards this for decades.

However, it's also interesting to note that both teams are conservative in the transfer market (well Portsmouth have had it forced upon them this season and had to cash in on Crouch, Defoe and the like). The 'English Premium' as I call it has definitely had an influence here. It's something that the English media and a lot of those in the game seem to be blind to, but overestimating the value of English players probably does a lot of damage to their career prospects.

I guess it proves that foreign talent is cheaper. Portsmouth can't afford to play David James due to a contract clause, and well Arsenal have very few English players who're the proven product, it seems like English people are the reasons for debt in sport in England and thus these teams are trying to stabilize themselves with other players of other nationality's. To surmise English = Debt.

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Eire-Dearg wrote: »

Manuel Almunia?

dont get ya

SantryRed wrote: »

Is Steve FInnan not English? Always thought he was.

no, born in limerick but moved to england at a young age

Dont be at yourself

I bet if you added up the transfer fees for every player on the pitch, and compared it to every other premiership fixture of that round, that particular match up's figure would be far lower.

PHB

I love globalisation

Headshot

event wrote: »

dont get ya

Almunia is capable of playing for England if he ever gets a call up

He's not English though.

redout

redout wrote:

Anyone think this has any significance to it ?

It has SOOOO much significance that it's been posted for the first time, four weeks after it happened.


\remove sarcasm device

NekkidBibleMan

NekkidBibleMan wrote: »

I bet if you added up the transfer fees for every player on the pitch, and compared it to every other premiership fixture of that round, that particular match up's figure would be far lower.

I doubt that for some reason. Only in regards to Arsenal though.

Pompey lineup:
Asmir Begovic - Youth Team
Younes Kaboul - 5 Million
Hermann Hreidarsson - Free
Steve Finnan - Free
Tal Ben-Haim - 3 Million
Nadir Belhadj - 4.2 Million
Aaron Mokoena - Free
Richard Hughes - 50,000
Kevin-Prince Boateng - 4 Million
Hassan Yebda - Loan
Frederic Piquionne - Loan

Arsenal lineup:
Manuel Almunia - 4.45 million
Bacary Sagna - 8.01 Million
Thomas Vermaelen - 8.9 Million
William Gallas - Part of Swap Deal
Armand Traore - Free
Abou Diaby - 2.67 Million
Aaron Ramsey - 5.7 Million
Alex Song - 3.56 Million
Samir Nasri - 14.24 Million
Andrey Arshavin - 14.685 Million
Eduardo - 13.35 Million

leninbenjamin

Deleted User wrote: »

Arsenal lineup:
Manuel Almunia - 4.45 million
Bacary Sagna - 8.01 Million
Thomas Vermaelen - 8.9 Million
William Gallas - Part of Swap Deal
Armand Traore - Free
Abou Diaby - 2.67 Million
Aaron Ramsey - 5.7 Million
Alex Song - 3.56 Million
Samir Nasri - 14.24 Million
Andrey Arshavin - 14.685 Million
Eduardo - 13.35 Million

Some figures there I've not seen before. Where do you get £13m for Eduardo? Most places had him pegged at around £7-8m. Similary, Song was only £1m afaik. Not that it matters much to your overall point, just curious as to who reported them.

DazMarz

Might be the first time both teams have comprised of non-English players...

On 26 December 1999, Chelsea became the first British side to field an entirely foreign starting line-up (no British or Irish players) in a Premier League match against Southampton. Line Up Was:

Chelsea: De Goey, Petrescu, Thome, Leboeuf, Babayaro, Ferrer, Deschamps, Poyet, Di Matteo, Ambrosetti, Flo.

Chelsea won the game 2-1 too.....

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Headshot wrote: »

Almunia is capable of playing for England if he ever gets a call up

yeah, but he's not english

and he is only capable of playing if he seeks english citizenship, which he hasnt done yet

GavRedKing

I remember hearing this at the time and didnt think much of it to be honest. The way the EPL has gone and has now become a league full of dozens of nationalities it was bound to happen. Im surprised it took this long really.

Spiritoftheseventies

I think the Liverpool team that played Everton in Cup final in 1980s had no englishmen but i would not think its that big a deal. what is happening is that managers are having to look abroad now for players because as Rafa intimated his press conference the other day there is no money in the game at the moment and all the top players in England are tied up.

civis_liberalis

SantryRed wrote: »

Is Steve FInnan not English? Always thought he was.

Sort of.

He was born in Limerick, but moved to England at a young age. He's been there for most of his life.

He's 33 and has been there for 18 years at the very least I reckon.

SantryRed

civis_liberalis wrote: »

Sort of.

He was born in Limerick, but moved to England at a young age. He's been there for most of his life.

He's 33 and has been there for 18 years at the very least I reckon.

Ah right, that clears that up! Cheers.

partyguinness

DazMarz wrote: »

Might be the first time both teams have comprised of non-English players...

On 26 December 1999, Chelsea became the first British side to field an entirely foreign starting line-up (no British or Irish players) in a Premier League match against Southampton. Line Up Was:

Chelsea: De Goey, Petrescu, Thome, Leboeuf, Babayaro, Ferrer, Deschamps, Poyet, Di Matteo, Ambrosetti, Flo.

Chelsea won the game 2-1 too.....

So what I am not foreign....

That is a very Sky Sports angle you have spun. Or lik ewhen the BBC tried to claim that Stephen Roche was the first "English" speaking winner of the Tour De France..:rolleyes:

Fr Tod Umptious

partyguinness wrote: »

So what I am not foreign....

That is a very Sky Sports angle you have spun. Or lik ewhen the BBC tried to claim that Stephen Roche was the first "English" speaking winner of the Tour De France..:rolleyes:

Second actually, Greg LeMond (USA) won it in 1987

TonyD79

This has more to do with the English national team as Welsh(Ramsey) Scottish and Northern Irish players are seen as home grown so to speak. Also Republic of Ireland players arent considered foreign by British Media. Pitty UEFA didnt have the same narrow view when Man Utd were stung by the 3 foreigners rule back in the early 90's! Also dont clubs like United have to bring in foreign youth cause they are not allowed to sign up young players outside their catchment area in England? For instance Beckham would have ended up at Spurs had the rules been in place back then.

partyguinness

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Second actually, Greg LeMond (USA) won it in 1987

ACTUALLY...that was 1986..:D

partyguinness

TonyD79 wrote: »

This has more to do with the English national team as Welsh(Ramsey) Scottish and Northern Irish players are seen as home grown so to speak. Also Republic of Ireland players arent considered foreign by British Media. Pitty UEFA didnt have the same narrow view when Man Utd were stung by the 3 foreigners rule back in the early 90's! Also dont clubs like United have to bring in foreign youth cause they are not allowed to sign up young players outside their catchment area in England? For instance Beckham would have ended up at Spurs had the rules been in place back then.

It's a pity that they cant move on...:rolleyes:

Fr Tod Umptious

partyguinness wrote: »

ACTUALLY...that was 1986..:D

Actually your right, Roach won it in 1987, second English speaking rider to do so too.......

partyguinness

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Actually your right, Roach won it in 1987, second English speaking rider to do so too.......

Okay okay...I am trying to think of the exact way the BBC phrased it...it was in such a round about way that bascially Stephen Roche was English/British and they could claim him.

Galvasean

Walcott would have started for Arsenal had he been fit... and good.

x in the city

the end is nigh.....

x in the city

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Some figures there I've not seen before. Where do you get £13m for Eduardo? Most places had him pegged at around £7-8m. Similary, Song was only £1m afaik. Not that it matters much to your overall point, just curious as to who reported them.

tbh, if misfits like jo and robinho are 20 or 30 odd gadzillion....

Eduardo is at leasth worth 'just'

13 mill....

Galvasean

You can blame the English media for this. They hype up Enlish players to obscene values. It's no wonder managers opt for foreign alternatives when you consider that they cost a fraction of the price of similarly skilled English players.

patmac

redout wrote: »

After 17 and a half seasons the Premier league experienced its first ever match with no starting English player. Just heard about this now. The honour goes to Pompey -v- Arsenal on December 30, 2009. Anyone think this has any significance to it ?

Pompey lineup:
Asmir Begovic
Younes Kaboul
Hermann Hreidarsson
Steve Finnan
Tal Ben-Haim
Nadir Belhadj
Aaron Mokoena
Richard Hughes
Kevin-Prince Boateng
Hassan Yebda
Frederic Piquionne

Arsenal lineup:
Manuel Almunia
Bacary Sagna
Thomas Vermaelen
William Gallas
Armand Traore
Abou Diaby
Aaron Ramsey
Alex Song
Samir Nasri
Andrey Arshavin
Eduardo

Thank fcuk for that. Now I won't have to shout for England in this year's World Cup, phew.

partyguinness

Sure that last English manager to win the League was Howard Wilkinson 18 yrs ago and that looks set to continue for some time yet.