Clare GAA discussion thread

caddy16

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

ah now come on the size of kilmaley is huge on its own , yes i know kilmaley and lissycasey are pretty much all the one going back to the mid to late 90's and as i said before places like kilmihil cooreeclare and miltown have been providing players to kilmaley for a while , and in truth while they might have came through the harder draw eire og did have the more inter county players plus a large number of last years senior b wining team were still under 21 this year

and for what its worth both teams have the same number of participating teams up along and at adult level from junior b junior a inter and senior

There's are so many things wrong with what you have stated I wouldn't know where to start!

windy shepard henderson

caddy16 wrote: »

There's are so many things wrong with what you have stated I wouldn't know where to start!

so kilmaley dont pick up isolated players from west clare ?

eire og had a fairly young team out last year in senior b, i was under the impression an number of them were under age for this grade this year ?

from what i can see the two clubs have a pretty similar number of under age teams out up along through the ranks along and a similar number of teams at junior level?

did'nt the likes of colin lynch and martin daly among others from lisscaesy play hurling for the likes of eire og before joining up with kilmaley ,

i am open to correction on all this , i am not from either place but i am not sure how far fetched it is either though

letowski

Vanolder wrote: »

Clare are massive favourites - Limerick are not going well at all- I'd fear a 2006 type beating tbh.

Ah gosh, you're joking right? We have had just got another player leaving the panel over the weekend, in Stephen O'Halloran. Were far from a good place either going into the match. I know Limerick are off another poor league, but ye have been the most consistent performing side in Munster for the last 3 years and will be putting out a very seasoned and battle hardened team.

It's a really strange situation going into the game, very hard game to call but the unavailability of Bulger, Galvin and Podge is going to hurt Clare. We will still have a good side though.

windy shepard henderson

not overly optimistic about our chances against limerick , last year they had a fairly bad league ,bad loss to galway all that stuff with the county board and donal o'grady and yet they beat tipp well in thurles , plus our record in thurles and iin munster in general isnt too great either , and as you say throw in all our problems of late and the number of players unavailable to me seems to be more in limericks favor at the moment despite what ever is happening down there at the moment

LuckyGent88

Figerty wrote: »

Aidan Kennedy is the next Shane O'Donnell.. that's how well he played. Outstanding.

Was that the number 13? If it was he was outstanding yesterday.
Never really expected eire og to win yesterday to be honest. It was a good achievement in getting to the final in fairness even if we were on the easier side of the draw. I certainly expected a better performance. Skill levels were quite poor and maybe the occasion got to them a little.
Hopefully it's further signs the club is heading in the right direction again.

Figerty

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

so kilmaley dont pick up isolated players from west clare ?

eire og had a fairly young team out last year in senior b, i was under the impression an number of them were under age for this grade this year ?

from what i can see the two clubs have a pretty similar number of under age teams out up along through the ranks along and a similar number of teams at junior level?

did'nt the likes of colin lynch and martin daly among others from lisscaesy play hurling for the likes of eire og before joining up with kilmaley ,

i am open to correction on all this , i am not from either place but i am not sure how far fetched it is either though

Nothing far fetched about it. It's an open fact that is gone through each year. What is lost in the mix is that practically all those lads start their hurling at 8,9 years of age and work up from there to be good enough to make A teams. The pay off for Clare is that Conor Cleary is good enough to make the Clare panel as a result of talent and hard work.

Figerty

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Was that the number 13? If it was he was outstanding yesterday.
Never really expected eire og to win yesterday to be honest. It was a good achievement in getting to the final in fairness even if we were on the easier side of the draw. I certainly expected a better performance. Skill levels were quite poor and maybe the occasion got to them a little.
Hopefully it's further signs the club is heading in the right direction again.

Ya. He's a dinger of a hurler. The guys marking him were good, it's just that he is a great talent in the making and yesterday Kilmaley were on top and able to feed him. I'd give the corner backs at lot of credit for their performance.

Eire Og lacked the townie cockyness that you would usually expect from them. The best of the Eire Og lads will dust themselves down and get on with it; the ones that fade away will be legends in their own minds.

Clareman

I think the isolated player ruling was thrown out last year, before that Kilmaley had the pick of west Clare as they were the nearest parish, wasn't an issue for years until a few good players came along like Conor Cleary.

Figerty

Clareman wrote: »

I think the isolated player ruling was thrown out last year, before that Kilmaley had the pick of west Clare as they were the nearest parish, wasn't an issue for years until a few good players came along like Conor Cleary.

I think the whole debate was moot as Croke park could never approve the whole newly cobbled arrangement in Clare; it had more holes than a net in a goals. A lot of lads got a chance to go on a rant but that was all it was.
Cratloe had Isolated players in football from all over the place so you had a west clare rule for hurling but no equivalent for football. The rulebook of the GAA applies and all Isolated players go through a process nothing has changed.

sasta le

Do cratloe bring alot of players for the football team?

Figerty

sasta le wrote: »

Do cratloe bring alot of players for the football team?

Not too many to be fair, Brendan Bugler from Whitegate is one.. One from Clooney,,
Non of their big players are from outside as far as I know.

sasta le

John Galvin too did I hear?

Figerty

sasta le wrote: »

John Galvin too did I hear?

Ya, but he may be living in the parish. Not isolated that way.

zetecescort

Nicky O'Connell back? More twists than the wild Atlantic way!

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2015/0414/693949-report-oconnell-returns-to-clare-squad/

thinkstoomuch1

zetecescort wrote: »

Nicky O'Connell back? More twists than the wild Atlantic way!

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2015/0414/693949-report-oconnell-returns-to-clare-squad/

Fair play to nicky and brother
They knew they were wrong and they apologies
They have no problem with Davy if they returned. Further confirmation things were not as bad as meant out to be under Davy
Imo a real band of brothers undrr Davy
As I said from day one too much anti Davy done this done that but no one else backed the allegations
David halloran seems only one problem

Gael85

Figerty wrote: »

Not too many to be fair, Brendan Bugler from Whitegate is one.. One from Clooney,,
Non of their big players are from outside as far as I know.

Fergal Lynch and Cillian Duggan from Clooney Quinn play as isolated players along with Bugler. John Galvin is living in Cratloe. Doonbeg have hurlers Shane O'Brien and Ronan Goode from Newmarket as isolated players too.

Keano

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Fair play to nicky and brother
They knew they were wrong and they apologies
They have no problem with Davy if they returned. Further confirmation things were not as bad as meant out to be under Davy
Imo a real band of brothers undrr Davy
As I said from day one too much anti Davy done this done that but no one else backed the allegations
David halloran seems only one problem

What exactly were they wrong about?

Having to apologise to the panel aswell, why?

thinkstoomuch1

Keano wrote: »

What exactly were they wrong about?

Having to apologise to the panel aswell, why?

But sure why did they apologies so?!?
Players have spoken they bar one have rejoined
There were obviously code discipline for panel that was broken no others have problems with
Time reflection they decided they were wrong
They hsve rejoined so it imo shows Davy and management were right in rest panel and colm galvin all backed Davy by panel statement and galvin speaking glowing of Davy and now this
What more evidence do you need
On the other side it seems just one had a problem

Keano

I have no idea why he did. Should have said he'll come back and let sleeping dogs lie. To have to apologise for standing up for what you believe in and there are others in the room who broke the rules and were given slaps on the wrist and you have to say sorry to them! No way.

Figerty

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

But sure why did they apologies so?!?
Players have spoken they bar one have rejoined
There were obviously code discipline for panel that was broken no others have problems with
Time reflection they decided they were wrong
They hsve rejoined so it imo shows Davy and management were right in rest panel and colm galvin all backed Davy by panel statement and galvin speaking glowing of Davy and now this
What more evidence do you need
On the other side it seems just one had a problem

Ah come on now. You need to stop believing the hype about Davy. I think the situation with Tot's and Nicky is much more complex than either you know or will admit.

thinkstoomuch1

Keano wrote: »

I have no idea why he did. Should have said he'll come back and let sleeping dogs lie. To have to apologise for standing up for what you believe in and there are others in the room who broke the rules and were given slaps on the wrist and you have to say sorry to them! No way.[/quote

But regards the rest being treated different is just heresy that some here say happened and halloran
Why no names
Connell has came back more likely as knew situation he over reacted and could be possible led by others

Whole panel defends Davy so he realises imo he was wrong and he reacted badly
Fair play and immense credit to him for coming back and to Davy for holding no grudges
Davy was like the condemned man in clare hurling with only circumstanceal evidence no real fact prove imo things were as bad as they made out to be

thinkstoomuch1

Figerty wrote: »

Ah come on now. You need to stop believing the hype about Davy. I think the situation with Tot's and Nicky is much more complex than either you know or will admit.

How is it
What have I to admit
I clearly from day one said I'd back players if evidence justified them
Your just giving rumours and heresy with no evidence bar you heard those or that when two players and panel and daly and louganne etc all back Davy Fitzgerald
Give me real evidence and I'll say Davy Fitzgerald was wrong
But you can't when there's none
Players totally behind Fitzgerald

Keano

You keep saying give you evidence about this and that but what evidence do you have they panel support Fitzgerald? That poxy statement that was signed by the vice captains? That's all there is. Every man and his dog know it's not the happiest of camps but they players just get on with it.

thinkstoomuch1

Keano wrote: »

You keep saying give you evidence about this and that but what evidence do you have they panel support Fitzgerald? That poxy statement that was signed by the vice captains? That's all there is. Every man and his dog know it's not the happiest of camps but they players just get on with it.

Okay well unlike non evidence of anti Davy debate I'll give some

Again colm galvin spoke favour Davy glowing and I'll repost link you want

No other players left the panel bar one voice who strangely has nothing more to say since
Whether it's poxy or not your imo only changing facts suit an argument
Did they or did they not all sign a statement in support Davy
Now are all the clare panel lying
No they signed it as support him
Nicky connell never backed up halloran view in a paper when he walked and now he's back and apologies
Evidence is clear as day while yes there was issues nothing as bad as people tried to make out to be
The players have spoken
Time to accept it imo

Figerty

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Okay well unlike non evidence of anti Davy debate I'll give some

Again colm galvin spoke favour Davy glowing and I'll repost link you want

No other players left the panel bar one voice who strangely has nothing more to say since
Whether it's poxy or not your imo only changing facts suit an argument
Did they or did they not all sign a statement in support Davy
Now are all the clare panel lying
No they signed it as support him
Nicky connell never backed up halloran view in a paper when he walked and now he's back and apologies
Evidence is clear as day while yes there was issues nothing as bad as people tried to make out to be
The players have spoken
Time to accept it imo

Heard another fringe player left the panel recently and another who was in playing yesterday in Wexford isn't going to be remaining on the panel to make up the training numbers.
There is more to this panel than meets the eye. No camp is always a happy camp, it can't be It wouldn't be healthy if there was. There isn't universal support for the management.
The Galvin statement is loaded with undertones not all county related..chose to ignore it if you want.
The players statement is very weak. The fact that they had to make a statement also tells you something.
You can take it another way as well.. if the lads did break the 'code' it also should tell you that there has been a break down in discipline, couple that with the number of sending offs for lack of discipline when this team was under pressure and that also tells you something.

This team is hurling for Clare. The manager is not the centre of the hurling world.

cnoc

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Okay well unlike non evidence of anti Davy debate I'll give some

Again colm galvin spoke favour Davy glowing and I'll repost link you want

No other players left the panel bar one voice who strangely has nothing more to say since
Whether it's poxy or not your imo only changing facts suit an argument
Did they or did they not all sign a statement in support Davy
Now are all the clare panel lying
No they signed it as support him
Nicky connell never backed up halloran view in a paper when he walked and now he's back and apologies
Evidence is clear as day while yes there was issues nothing as bad as people tried to make out to be
The players have spoken
Time to accept it imo

Nicky O'Connell could not really speak out in the manner of Davy O'Halloran because his brother was still involved with the panel.

windy shepard henderson

cnoc wrote: »

Nicky O'Connell could not really speak out in the manner of Davy O'Halloran because his brother was still involved with the panel.

thats the bit that gets me really , if things were so bad why did totts stay ? surely you would back your brother in this occasion hands down

i would actually be more worried about the likes of stephen o'hollaran leaving the panel due to lack of game time then the over talked about rifts , stephen should have been tried out during the league and in my opinion too good to be off the panel ,

thinkstoomuch1

cnoc wrote: »

Nicky O'Connell could not really speak out in the manner of Davy O'Halloran because his brother was still involved with the panel.

Why did he rejoin so if unhappy
He had choices Davy didn't force him back

Mehapoy

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Okay well unlike non evidence of anti Davy debate I'll give some

Again colm galvin spoke favour Davy glowing and I'll repost link you want

No other players left the panel bar one voice who strangely has nothing more to say since
Whether it's poxy or not your imo only changing facts suit an argument
Did they or did they not all sign a statement in support Davy
Now are all the clare panel lying
No they signed it as support him
Nicky connell never backed up halloran view in a paper when he walked and now he's back and apologies
Evidence is clear as day while yes there was issues nothing as bad as people tried to make out to be
The players have spoken
Time to accept it imo

Galvin's statement should not be taken as evidence of anything, it was what anyone would have said in the same situation regardless of whether he was happy within Davy or not...a lot of players have left the panel, not just the one, it's a messy situation all round and a shame to see, it'll cause divisions in Clare hurling that should not be there, I'd prefer to listen to Clare hurling people's take on this and most are of the opinion that Davy is at fault here...

cnoc

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Why did he rejoin so if unhappy
He had choices Davy didn't force him back

What evidence do you have that Davy did not encourage him to come back?

thinkstoomuch1

Figerty wrote: »

Heard another fringe player left the panel recently and another who was in playing yesterday in Wexford isn't going to be remaining on the panel to make up the training numbers.
There is more to this panel than meets the eye. No camp is always a happy camp, it can't be It wouldn't be healthy if there was. There isn't universal support for the management.
The Galvin statement is loaded with undertones not all county related..chose to ignore it if you want.
The players statement is very weak. The fact that they had to make a statement also tells you something.
You can take it another way as well.. if the lads did break the 'code' it also should tell you that there has been a break down in discipline, couple that with the number of sending offs for lack of discipline when this team was under pressure and that also tells you something.

This team is hurling for Clare. The manager is not the centre of the hurling world.

No names all we hear with respect is hearsay
Who are these players
Name them and if so hardly starters so possible they had issues not with discipline


All I heard since the Davy saga is arguments which lot are perception thought in everything is turned other way to suit

Player make statement where told not accurate more time it
Then we hear nonsense galvin statement had a under tone
Come on now let's call a spade a spade
Galvin praised support said Davy alway support him and they be contact during summer
Seriously what else do you want
Has he spoken yes ye had
Clearly favour Davy
But what did galvin lie??
Straight questions so either yes or no
If you don't belive galvin he must be lying
I don't believe galvin is lying but he fully support and respects him imo

Again I'm waiting for real evidence
There is nothing proven Davy done all things accused off
If mother Theresa praised Davy would she be also accused of under tone
Up few weeks ago it was this thread totally against Davy
I asked for evidence and nothing again has be given

Davy is no angel far from it bit certainly not as bad being made out to be and clare hurling imo is lucky have him as behind louganne best ever clare hurling manager and nobody can take that from him

thinkstoomuch1

cnoc wrote: »

What evidence do you have that Davy did not encourage him to come back?

The media has it he apologised
So if Davy wanted him back surely you think he would say I'm not saying sorry but I'll come back as by saying sorry makes o connell look bad so why you allow yourself look bad you nothing look bad for
Davy said door was always open
Nick apologise so he obviously wanted to come back and Davy doesn't chase anyone
What evidence have you any panel bar one man against Davy
The panel off field two games v KK superb performance clearly showed united front did they or did they not!??

thinkstoomuch1

Mehapoy wrote: »

Galvin's statement should not be taken as evidence of anything, it was what anyone would have said in the same situation regardless of whether he was happy within Davy or not...a lot of players have left the panel, not just the one, it's a messy situation all round and a shame to see, it'll cause divisions in Clare hurling that should not be there, I'd prefer to listen to Clare hurling people's take on this and most are of the opinion that Davy is at fault here...

Seriously you can't take people's view as gospel regards this as possible they may have agendas from club who knows

Not saying they do but just pointing out they may

Player spoke the panel spoke that's the bottom line
With respect not all fans can be believed unless fact proves otherwise imo as you were belive limerick fans start year were going win all Ireland and no problem within limerick yet league showed other wise and tj was apparently a great manager
A few posters here hardly are the overall public clare
Lot I think have some good points but no one has proven players against Davy
And performance v KK and statement panel and galvin and return nick prove the contrary
And again all we hear is heresy none have given evidence to back up halloran
Not one
If they do I'll back the players





One poster here already said doesn't belive rifts clare
I know many clare men that yes don't like davy but are not for total blame him regards situation clearly over blown
Clsre clearly played for Davy v KK two weeks in a row, compare this to limerick who showed total disinterest against lesser teams particularly offaly
Point is clare hardly played like team at rift manager

Name these players and have anyone them said over Davy bar halloran
No
Collins left over football among others and Davy was right hurling our football not both

LuckyGent88

Heard today that Davy o holloran is training with the footballers and is not training with the eire og hurlers at the moment.
He was asked to rejoin hurling training at least a couple of weeks before the championship starts in order for him to get his place.

windy shepard henderson

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Heard today that Davy o holloran is training with the footballers and is not training with the eire og hurlers at the moment.
He was asked to rejoin hurling training at least a couple of weeks before the championship starts in order for him to get his place.

very good footballer but if he has stopped playing hurling altogether then things are serious , hope for eire og's sake he joins up with hurling panel sooner rather then later

LuckyGent88

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

very good footballer but if he has stopped playing hurling altogether then things are serious , hope for eire og's sake he joins up with hurling panel sooner rather then later

Ah he will I'd imagine. Probably just needed a break from it.

Gael85

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Heard today that Davy o holloran is training with the footballers and is not training with the eire og hurlers at the moment.
He was asked to rejoin hurling training at least a couple of weeks before the championship starts in order for him to get his place.

Rory Donnelly back with the footballers as well. Any word on Alan O'Neill and Eoin Cleary injuries? Are Liam Markham and Oige Murphy on panel?

Figerty

Gael85 wrote: »

Rory Donnelly back with the footballers as well. Any word on Alan O'Neill and Eoin Cleary injuries? Are Liam Markham and Oige Murphy on panel?

I heard Eoin Cleary is on the road back.

thinkstoomuch1

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/vincent-hogan-silence-of-clare-players-speaks-louder-than-words-31144345.html

A truly truly outstanding read imo and conveys lot my own beliefs
Clare are lucky to have one of the best managers in the game
Great read imo
While jamsie spoke correctly whole affair looks bad on clear interestingly he never in interview blamed Davy or said all things that bad

Deise_2012

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/vincent-hogan-silence-of-clare-players-speaks-louder-than-words-31144345.html

A truly truly outstanding read imo and conveys lot my own beliefs
Clare are lucky to have one of the best managers in the game
Great read imo
While jamsie spoke correctly whole affair looks bad on clear interestingly he never in interview blamed Davy or said all things that bad

Don't think he's one of the best managers in the game. He's passionate for Clare hurling for sure. Got very lucky to win the AI in 2013 imo, Limerick were a bag of nerves in the semi final, came up against a very poor Cork side in the final. He has one of the best squads in the country and should be doing a lot more in the last 16 months

thinkstoomuch1

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Don't think he's one of the best managers in the game. He's passionate for Clare hurling for sure. Got very lucky to win the AI in 2013 imo, Limerick were a bag of nerves in the semi final, came up against a very poor Cork side in the final. He has one of the best squads in the country and should be doing a lot more in the last 16 months

No excuse for limerick woeful display regards nerves at end day it was young clare to experienced limerick
What beat limerick was a tactical masterclass by Davy compared to poor management by Allen

Hidalgo

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

No excuse for limerick woeful display regards nerves at end day it was young clare to experienced limerick
What beat limerick was a tactical masterclass by Davy compared to poor management by Allen

Yes it was a masterclass 'compared' to Allen but that's thanks to the shocking level of awareness shown by Allen. If I score 20/100 compared to your 5/100 then I've produced a master score in relation to you, but I'm still way below average.

Clare employed the exact same tactic in that semi final as B Galway in the Queen final. He didn't exactly reinvent the wheel for the Limerick game

keeponhurling

3 weeks with no posts in this thread.
Which means there haven't been any disputes, or dirty laundry aired in public.

This pleases me.

Fireball07

How are ye likely to line out in three weeks?


Who's going to be in midfield with no Galvin?

keeponhurling

Fireball07 wrote: »

How are ye likely to line out in three weeks?


Who's going to be in midfield with no Galvin?

Nicky O'Connell might come in for him

keeponhurling

What did Colm Collins do to get a 12-week touch line ban ?

Apparently something at the Fermanagh game

thinkstoomuch1

keeponhurling wrote: »

What did Colm Collins do to get a 12-week touch line ban ?

Apparently something at the Fermanagh game

Dispute with a linesman over a dissallowed score
The most amazing thing about this is the lack of reaction among clare people which is fair enough as Collins is a good manager however if this was Davy there would be absolutely uproar here over it

It wont weaken clare too much imo in ephie will step in to breach and from Nemo county and all Ireland finals and limerick county final always and with limerick senior team in croke park he imo is well able to do the line for the big day as imo he is a manager or coach in can do both pretty good

Mountainlad

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Dispute with a linesman over a dissallowed score
The most amazing thing about this is the lack of reaction among clare people which is fair enough as Collins is a good manager however if this was Davy there would be absolutely uproar here over it

It wont weaken clare too much imo in ephie will step in to breach and from Nemo county and all Ireland finals and limerick county final always and with limerick senior team in croke park he imo is well able to do the line for the big day as imo he is a manager or coach in can do both pretty good

And yet Davy never got a ban. Maybe its because to many people revere the ground he walks on.

keeponhurling

Sure he can step in.
But they need to change from their usual routine for the championship.

If the ban is for an altercation with officials, I'm surprised Davy doesn't get more bans

thinkstoomuch1

keeponhurling wrote: »

Sure he can step in.
But they need to change from their usual routine for the championship.

If the ban is for an altercation with officials, I'm surprised Davy doesn't get more bans

I'd agree Davy no angel and yes deserves some also no doubt there
The point I have is clare fans won't say anything about Collins though and while he's good manager from what I heard incident he deserved get a ban even though twelve weeks way too much and bigger managers wouldn't get that

In defence Davy he has outstanding management record however shouldn't matter a bit I agree if breaks a rule should be penalised
But my point is anything Davy does wrong is highlighted hugely where Collins incident will just not get as much attention