Dublin City Council to expand 30kph zone

Paulw

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/absurd-speed-limit-plan-attacked-2038100.html

Looks like things will soon be crazy. Can you just imagine it now?

Tragedy

30 km/h on the quays? That's a joke.

JHMEG

Starting in 4 days. Why are we only hearing about it now? Was there any public consultation?

Paulw

None, it seems.

See map here - http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/Documents/3369__04_Sept_09_City_Centre_30_kph_zone_._pdf.pdf

Info - http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/Pages/Roads.aspx

daveharnett

Does this mean that running will attract penalty points and a fine?

Hal1

This has been talked about for months now. It was all over the news when they proposed plans for it (last year some time iirc). Sure give it time and you won't be able to drive into the Dublin city centre at all, if they have their way.

Minutes from meeting in 2006:

In addition, a permanent 30kph speed limit is proposed for O’Connell Street following it’s de-listing as a national route. The current DTO cycle manual advises that in a low speed environment, separate cycle lanes are not needed.

Q.87 - http://www.dublincity.ie/YourCouncil/CouncilMeetings/Documents/council_meeting_minutes_june_2006.pdf

The lads / lassies in the commuting & transport forum will know when it was decided exactly.

Guy:Incognito

JHMEG wrote: »

Starting in 4 days. Why are we only hearing about it now? Was there any public consultation?

I seems to remember threads with much bitching a few months ago.

Paulw

Stekelly wrote: »

I seems to remember threads with much bitching a few months ago.

Yes, but now they're expanding it, which comes in to effect in 4 days.

The initial zone was proposed a long time ago, and came in to effect on 1st Jan 2010.

With this new zone, even the AA think it's crazy.

I can understand the logic during rush hour, but not 24/7/365.

JHMEG

I heard of the O'Connell St proposal years ago alright, but not this one.

Stekelly wrote: »

I seems to remember threads with much bitching a few months ago.

About extending it as far and wide as they are?

maddness

Thats about 18mph. FFS!
Any retard on a push bike can break that speed limit.
Another great decision by Dublin City Council. *****.

wyrn

I'd heard about it months ago. I think there was some sort of study done (somewhere) and it found that the optimal speed for a car was 30 km/h due to traffic lights and varying car speeds.

That was months ago and I'd forgotten until I heard it again on the radio. I was surprised that it's going to be introduced in 4 days time!

Atlantic Dawn

The trucks are where the city centre deaths are and from those it's low speed blind spots that are killing.

-Corkie-

Yes and lunatics on bikes cycling under the lorries.

adamshred

I have a strange feeling that this new limit will bring in millions on speeding tickets.

Its not about anything else, just the money.

2qk4u

This is crazy, it will coz more problems.. but it will be easier for the cops to dole out more fines and penalty points. I hate this country.

Savman

Doesn't it just make you wanna drive in more frequently and spend your money in the dying City Centre economy. Great idea DCC. :rolleyes:

Shane732

I suppose this will make it even easier for Garda's to hit their penalty points targets.

It's an absolute joke, it's probably possible to break that speed limit reversing!

It's an absolute joke.

Although on the other hand it could be the end of the recession.

So much more fines
Gearboxes/Engines etc... burning out for driving in 2nd gear the whole time.

Just think if the dump your car scheme doesn't work this will.

Absolute b****x

P.C.

I don't have a gear that does 30km/h

2nd gear = revs a bit high
3rd gear = revs a bit too low

Oh, well - no shopping or socialising in Dublin city centre for me.

Patser

Surprised there hasn't been more anger at this here yet - and there's nothing up in Commutuing and Transport either - but this is an absolute joke. As silly as the new limits are, setting the lights so that you've no option but to crawl along is really going to snarl up Dublin. I mean, you'll still be able to get into the City at normal speed, but once you get to this zone you've to slow down, take longer getting through it and naturally hold up everyone waiting behind.

The way they've sneaked this out, on a Thursday evening, with little advance notice or advertising, makes it look like a set up to 'catch' as many as possible Monday morning. The only map available is on the council website, if you go looking for it, rather than giving commuters 1-2 weeks notice and handing out flyers.

As for the 24/7 nonsense:mad: Idling along an empty road for a 5am start watching out for tourists, sounds like so much fun!

Joey the lips

I heard andrew montigue talking about it on the news yesterday about how beneficial it will be. With respect to the man he is daft. How can a person who does not drive give such opinion. It borders on being a muppet.

R.O.R

The Missus was telling me on Tuesday that there was a flashing sign at Whitehall church inbound warning this was coming in on Sunday. From skimming the article is appears it's not going to go that far out of the city.

Wonder if the Gardai will clamp down on busses or cyclists who break the limit, or whether it's those nasty, pedestrian killing cars who will take the fall.

E39MSport

I welcome it. Vehicles whizzing by pedestrians at close call is ludicrous especially with the predominant driving style of most Irish drivers.

Cheeble

adamshred wrote: »

I have a strange feeling that this new limit will bring in millions on speeding tickets.

Its not about anything else, just the money.

Only if the average Dublin driver breaks the speed limit. Oh, wait..........

Cheeble-eers

Wibbler

I suspect it won't change anything. You wouldn't be hard pushed to find drivers breaking the current urban limit even in rush hour and outside of times of congestion, it would be the norm.

There would have to be a blitz by the Gardai to actually change anything.

Cookie_Monster

So at rush hour it'll make no difference and outside rush hour it'll mean people will be doing 30-40 over the limit rather than 10-20.

IE No Change

Jip

It's easy to break the current limit down the quays at rush hour.

Pkiernan

I intend to protest this in my own special way.

I will drive 10 kmh in these zones, hopefully contributing to gridlock.

I recommend you all do the same.

Gran Hermano

What a way to turn the city centre into a ghost town as companies will relocate to office parks outside the city centre and shoppers spend their money in the malls in the suburbs (Dundrum TC has pretty much replaced Grafton St for a lot of people I know).

We'll end up with a rundown city centre like what happened in parts of the USA and UK as the council will see their revenue from taxes and the likes of parking fall as people avoid the city centre.

Cookie_Monster

Gran Hermano wrote: »

What a way to turn the city centre into a ghost town as companies will relocate to office parks outside the city centre and shoppers spend their money in the malls in the suburbs (Dundrum TC has pretty much replaced Grafton St for a lot of people I know).

By that logic, increasing the limits to 80 or 100 will cause the recession to end.

:pac::pac::pac:

Savage Cabbage

in fairness unless they put every Garda in the entire country on the streets to police this, is it really ever going to be enforced?? Other option is spend millions on speed cameras EVERYWHERE ... sounds like scare tactics to me...

On your bike people ... literally

Heroditas

E39MSport wrote: »

I welcome it. Vehicles whizzing by pedestrians at close call is ludicrous especially with the predominant driving style of most Irish drivers.

Are the pedestrians walking on the road?

JimDean

IN case people still don't get it.

THEY DO NOT WANT YOU HAVING ANY MEANS OF PRIVATE TRANSPORT.

markpb

Savage Cabbage wrote: »

in fairness unless they put every Garda in the entire country on the streets to police this, is it really ever going to be enforced?? Other option is spend millions on speed cameras EVERYWHERE ... sounds like scare tactics to me...

They said a few months ago that the way it would work is to try to synchronise the lights so that people doing 30 (off-peak) would get as much of a green flow as possible. People going faster or slower would see more red lights. Time will tell if it works.

Cookie_Monster

JimDean wrote: »

IN case people still don't get it.

THEY DO NOT WANT YOU HAVING ANY MEANS OF PRIVATE TRANSPORT.

:rolleyes:

Even bikes?

JimDean

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Even bikes?

You can pull a face all you like, and by the way bicycle insurance/tax and licensing is on its way.

Cookie_Monster

JimDean wrote: »

You can pull a face all you like, and by the way bicycle insurance/tax and licensing is on its way.

Source?

I don't think so tbh, if I had to pay for the bike I may as well just drive.
What basis would you tax it on?
Tax, insurance and licence would kill bike usage overnight and lead to more cars on the road.

stimpson

JimDean wrote: »

You can pull a face all you like, and by the way bicycle insurance/tax and licensing is on its way.

Please tell me this is true. It's only a matter of time before I have to peel one of those rent-a-bike clowns off my windscreen because they think one way streets and the laws of physics don't apply to them.

Cookie_Monster

stimpson wrote: »

rent-a-bike

Tax, insurance, licence would kill the bike scheme too actually.

markpb

stimpson wrote: »

Please tell me this is true. It's only a matter of time before I have to peel one of those rent-a-bike clowns off my windscreen because they think one way streets and the laws of physics don't apply to them.

Insurance won't help a jot. Enforcement of the road traffic acts by AGS needs to be dramatically stepped up - for everyone. Lets not get started on another pedestrian/bike/car flame war?

stimpson

markpb wrote: »

Insurance won't help a jot. Enforcement of the road traffic acts by AGS needs to be dramatically stepped up - for everyone. Lets not get started on another pedestrian/bike/car flame war?

Insurance will help take the dents out of my bonnet.

I've nothing against cyclists as a rule, but I work in town and I've seen some people do insanely stupid things on rent-a-bikes that you'd never see a full time cyclist do. It's only a matter of time before someone is hurt or worse.

Cuddlesworth

markpb wrote: »

Lets not get started on another pedestrian/bike/car flame war?

Why are us motorbikers being left out of this? I'm seriously not impressed, we have more than enough hatred of all of the above to go around.

Heroditas

stimpson wrote: »

I've seen some people do insanely stupid things on rent-a-bikes that you'd never see a full time cyclist do. It's only a matter of time before someone is hurt or worse.

And just wait until a rent-a-biker gets seriously injured.
They'll probably sue DCC for making the bikes available in the first place :rolleyes:

Del2005

Savage Cabbage wrote: »

On your bike people ... literally

You can still get done for speeding on a bicycle and 30km/h isn't that fast for cycling on flat or downhill and if you're anyway fit up slight rises.

adamshred

Taxing and insuring BICYCLES . . I'm not trying to sound stupid or patriotic and I rarely reference this, but what would the people who fought for this country's independence think of Ireland today? The government is getting out of control and we just sit down and take it without a fight.

old_aussie

THat will cut out pushbike riding

Cookie_Monster

adamshred wrote: »

Taxing and insuring BICYCLES . . I'm not trying to sound stupid or patriotic and I rarely reference this, but what would the people who fought for this country's independence think of Ireland today? The government is getting out of control and we just sit down and take it without a fight.

THB hes just trolling. Unless he (or anyone else) comes up with a believable source I wouldn't worry about it happening

Jip

adamshred wrote: »

Taxing and insuring BICYCLES . . I'm not trying to sound stupid or patriotic and I rarely reference this, but what would the people who fought for this country's independence think of Ireland today?

Not alot, they're all dead.

Patser

Tragedy wrote: »

30 km/h on the quays? That's a joke.

daveharnett wrote: »

Does this mean that running will attract penalty points and a fine?

Sorry if this is a regular thing but we're famous!! The 2 above and myself from page 2 of this thread were quoted in the Herald this evening. Not sure if the Herald is always quoting boards as cheap investigative journalism, but still I'm off to sign autographs:cool:

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/30kph-city-centre-speed-limit-absurd-as-drivers-vent-rage-2039084.html

ianobrien

I assume the DCC will have 30kph signs at every street entering the 30kph zone and 50kph signs on exiting. Handy business there for the signmakers.

Oh, has anybody been done for speeding in the existing 30kph zones?

Locamon

well the new speed limits are being enforced from today.. I for one will be avoiding them where possible -so if that is the aim it will work. Means I will not go into town to do a bit of shopping and have a bite as is the usual Sunday habit.. if I suspect this is the attitude of a lot of motorists it will just speed up the move to out of town shopping and locations -not sure what the city councillors have planned for the city centre but keeping it as a vibrant shopping and dining area is not part of the plan... hope for the sake of city centre traders those tourists return soon!

markpb

Locamon wrote: »

well the new speed limits are being enforced from today.. I for one will be avoiding them where possible -so if that is the aim it will work. Means I will not go into town to do a bit of shopping and have a bite as is the usual Sunday habit.

So for the sake of a few minutes per trip, you'll avoid the city centre? Does that strike you as overkill at all?