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donegalfella wrote: »This post has been deleted.
You'd rather put that idiot in a position of power then Obama anyone else ?
How completely one sided can you possibly get. People often told me that politics was like religion in the states and I guess you've proved it in your case.
And this is speaking as someone who couldn't give a toss about politics anywhere between any party or anyone. The thought of Palin in office should scare the crap out of anyone. Yes I'll grant you McCain wouldn't have been bad at all except for his age but Palin anywhere near the presidents chair ? ffs0 -
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its just a matter of time till people change from Religious gods to Scientic beliefs...Religion and Science has been fighting since the time the man started recording its path
i just think its stupid to believe in something that u can see touch or smell or taste... 0 -
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The thing that people seem to forget about the theory of evolution is that it is just a theory. A very strong one mind but the missing links have never been found, as of yet anyway, and even if Bush does look like a chimp.
Personally I think it's a fantastic explanation for our existence but until the missing links have all been found, putting faith in it as the be all and end all, is as bad as putting faith in a rediculous man made story about some god creating us all.
There is however another "theory" that fits between them both in a way, though is still very much "out there" in regards the thinking behind it but it is one which we ourselves as humans could well be in a position to carry-out in the future (way into the future).
That is the idea of terraforming another hospitable planet and placing life on to that planet ourselves.
It's not as much science fiction these days, or at least we've progressed far enough to see it as a possible scientific reality in the future.
Now the thing is, and this is where it might get twisted and mixed up a little - if we do manage to do such a thing way into the future (assuming of course we've conquered space travel and found another hospitable planet etc.,) - Could we then be considered Gods ?
Well no of course we wouldn't think that ourselves, but after a few thousand years have passed on that planet, would they for some reason think we were ?
Given the theory of evolution at least to go on, the odds of us being alone as the only intelligent species in this universe are fairly low, considering each star out there is a sun and each sun can support life given the right conditions as we know it.
So...given there's a very real possibility that we could terraform and place life on to another planet in the future ourselves, and taking into consideration the theory of evolution, the fact that there are so many suns (stars) out there that can support life - who is to say that this planet was not at one stage terraformed by another species or even just that we as human beings or our species itself, were not "placed" here initially by another species like we ourselves might do in the future ?
Personally I don't believe anything until it's proven beyond any doubt but it's always good to look at possibilities and what nots - even if they seem completely mad at this present time. The whole god thing could be just taken out of context by stupid people who didn't understand at the time, so threw a wild story together to best explain as they knew no different. Whereas now, with a more scietific mind and advanced as much as we are at this stage, could look at it in a different way and wonder, well, how the hell did they terraform the planet, or conquer space and time to even find this planet and place their kind here ?
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Lets be fair here, I don't for a moment think that Nehaxak is suggesting that Evolution as a theory is the least likely scenario.
Rather I think he is trying to get the point across that reciting by rote that because the conventional wisdom of science says it is so that the decision is over is not much better than blindly holding onto passages from the bible in the face of evidence to the contrary.
Though to be fair he needs to ease up on startrek
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Everything's a possibility. In fact I find the idea that an alien race planted life here as plausible as a supernatural benevolent god. It's only when people start asserting one unsubstantiated idea over another that things get daft.So...given there's a very real possibility that we could terraform and place life on to another planet in the future ourselves, and taking into consideration the theory of evolution, the fact that there are so many suns (stars) out there that can support life - who is to say that this planet was not at one stage terraformed by another species or even just that we as human beings or our species itself, were not "placed" here initially by another species like we ourselves might do in the future ?
Have you read Kim Stanley Robinson's "Mars Trilogy"? If you haven't and want SF books that detail terraforming in incredible detail then read these.
Lastly, probably not best to start a post in the A&A forum with the proclamation that evolution is "just a theory" - the rest of your post is likely to be viewed in a similarly poor light.
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Lastly, probably not best to start a post in the A&A forum with the proclamation that evolution is "just a theory" - the rest of your post is likely to be viewed in a similarly poor light.
Nah it's ok. Everything is just a theory and subject to correction and modification. Except when talking to anti-science folk you kinda have to portray it as fact because otherwise "Aha it's wrong and I'm right!!" To the more open minded (and intelligent) though I have no problem with assuming evolution or anything to be a theory or wrong - just not for the reasons idiotic creationists try to use to show it to be wrong. Or the idiot reasons anti-climatologists use.
There are many physicists that believe we could potentially create new universes in a lab (if we haven't already!). It would be both cool and depressing to think that in that created universe some form of life on it ended up worshipping a divine creator. That has to make us Gods.:DCould we then be considered Gods ?0 -
The thing that people seem to forget about the theory of evolution is that it is just a theory.
I dont know if there is enough facepalm for what you just said, but this is a good start:
A very strong one mind but the missing links have never been found, as of yet anyway, and even if Bush does look like a chimp.
Have you ever heard of Zeno's Dichotomy Paradox? Basically in order to get somewhere you first have to get half way there, then a half way between half way there and there, and so on and so fort for an infinite number of half way theres, therefore you can never actually get there. The argument about Missing Links is like this because everytime a missing link is found between two animals, people (creationists) claim its useless because there is no missing link between one of the animals and the missing link just found, and when it is found, the start calling for another and another. Its expected that every single generation of a an animal should be found fossilized and catalogued beforee any claim can be made and thats insane. It would be like claiming you need to test a new drug on every person on the planet before you can start saying what it does.Personally I think it's a fantastic explanation for our existence
And yet you dont seem to understand anything about it beyond the BS creationists put forward.but until the missing links have all been found, putting faith in it as the be all and end all, is as bad as putting faith in a rediculous man made story about some god creating us all.
The evidence for evoluton outweighs creationism by thousands and hundreds of thousands of scientific peer reviewed papers to none. Accepting evolution is by far the most reasonable position to take.There is however another "theory" that fits between them both in a way, though is still very much "out there" in regards the thinking behind it but it is one which we ourselves as humans could well be in a position to carry-out in the future (way into the future).
That is the idea of terraforming another hospitable planet and placing life on to that planet ourselves.
It's not as much science fiction these days, or at least we've progressed far enough to see it as a possible scientific reality in the future.
This is Intelligent Design and Intelligent Design is just creationism hiding behind a thin veil of sci-fi. While it may be (very remotely possible) that the earth was terraformed into promoting life, it just begs the question as too where the creatures who did the terraforming came from? They either where aliens who themselves must have evolved (which puts the evolution question on another planet for no reason whatsoever) or they started out fully formed with the power to do this which would either make them god or formed by god ala genesis.So...given there's a very real possibility that we could terraform and place life on to another planet in the future ourselves, and taking into consideration the theory of evolution, the fact that there are so many suns (stars) out there that can support life - who is to say that this planet was not at one stage terraformed by another species or even just that we as human beings or our species itself, were not "placed" here initially by another species like we ourselves might do in the future ?
As above, this just places the evolution question onto these unknown aliens, but for no good reason at all. Do you have any evidence that earth was terraformed?Personally I don't believe anything until it's proven beyond any doubt but it's always good to look at possibilities and what nots - even if they seem completely mad at this present time.
You own existence isnt proven beyond any doubt, you could be a brain in a jar imagining this existence. Besides that, even taking account of evolution, creationism, alien terraforming, brain-in-a-jar-ism, you would still be massively underestimating the possible ways in which life on earth came about. In a near infinite universe, near anything is possible. However to make the incredible basic and stupid mistake of thinking that possibility is the same as probability is madness. Its possible Elvis died of a heart attack on the toilet but its also possible that aliens sent a time traveling spout named Barry back in time to help him fake his own death so that he could track down the antichrist and stop the armageddon of the earth so that those same aliens could continue to watch their favourite soap opera (see Robert Rankins Armageddon trilogy). But just because two or more things are technically possible, doesn't make them equally possible.The whole god thing could be just taken out of context by stupid people who didn't understand at the time, so threw a wild story together to best explain as they knew no different. Whereas now, with a more scietific mind and advanced as much as we are at this stage, could look at it in a different way and wonder, well, how the hell did they terraform the planet, or conquer space and time to even find this planet and place their kind here ?
Or you coyuld start with would bother to consider the idea that earth was terraformed given the overwhelming evidence that life came about naturally and very slowly, and evolved to its current stage?0 -
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Right well I won't bother posting again as I can see posting here is a fruitless task. I was not being rude either, most of you that have replied are blinkered and just as bad as bible thumping preachers in all honesty.
You've proven you don't understand the word 'fact' or the word 'theory' or anything about evolution.
We are not against you because you have a different opinion, we're against what you said because its completely wrong.
Scientific theories ARE the best explanations we have for facts.
Scientific Hypothesizes are POSSIBLE explanations we have for facts. When the evidence supporting a hypothesize becomes irrefutable or any future evidence will not significantly alter the hypothesis then that hypothesis becomes a theory.
Scientific facts are very simple observations. Theories NEVER become facts.
You are using the English language everyday meanings of the words, not the Scientific meanings.
The theory of relativity, the theory of evolution, the theory of thermodynamics, the theory of ...ANYTHING will NEVER be proved 100%. That is not how science works and you have shown you don't understand that. We corrected you.I stand over what I've said
What you said is wrong. Not in a 'different opinion way', in a 'plain old wrong' way.
Its like me saying "Christians believe Jesus is an alien from mars". Thats not a valid opinion, thats just wrong.
Its like me saying "Scientists say that the theory of relativity is 100% correct". Thats not a valid opinion, its just wrong.Pulling me up over being "rude" and at the same time allowing people jump all over me with silly pictures and flippant replies with absolutely no factual evidence whatsoever to back up their aggressive nonesense ?
When someone pretends to understand something, makes completely stupid remarks clearly showing they DON'T understand it and then refuses to listen to people who DO understand it, how would you respond ?Ireland, the only country in the world where even athiests make up their own religion :rolleyes:
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Nehaxak, I suggested a page or two back that you made a momentous error in you opening post. However I do agree that everybody didn't have to jump in and "put you straight" - there was a degree of overkill there. The rest of your post got drowned in a flurry of rebuke.
Evolution is a very cherished theory (in the scientific sense) here, hence the reaction.
Stay around, read a bit, and I'm sure we could all get along. After all, we all like not collecting stamps, right? 0 -
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Folks, I've read your replies but it's not something I'm willing to get in any silly argument over other than to say some of you seem very defensive of your theory of evolution, almost to the point of being "religious" about it and how dare I question your religion theory of evolution. Let's jump all over the new poster and beat him to death with copies of Darwins book.
I have no intention of trolling either and no, I don't watch star trek, apart from the latest film which actually was pretty decent.
I don't believe in god, I don't believe in religion, but I also don't accept the theory of evolution as fact and the be all and end all, that's it, nothing to see here now move along, don't you dare try and look at other idea's that might throw our sacred theory into question as to it's possible validity in regards where the human race originated.
If one of you that hold it so sacred can actually point out the absolute evidence, that humans originated from chimps, or fish, or birds, or whatever, then please do so. You might also wish to apply for the nobel prize while you're at it, for doing something that no other scientist around the world has ever done.
If the "theory" of evolution was ever proven as absolute, total and utter fact - then there would be no need whatsoever for religion as that also would be proven therefore for what it is, utter nonsense.
Quoting pics of George Bush beside a chimp or jumping sheep doesn't count.
As to the theory of gravity, that itself is coming under question as the laws of gravity do not seem to sit too well with advanced quantum mechanics, but again, how dare anyone try and progress the human race by looking at other possibilities.
I'm willing to debate but if you're going to just jump all over me and throw scripture or silly pictures, whether theoretical or religious, then I'm not bothered in arguing with people.
Again, I don't fully doubt the theory of evolution, just it's use to explain the existance of the human race and that we evolved from lesser life forms on this planet - and that there are no other options that should be looked at to explain our existance here.
A closed mind cannot evolve.
First of all you do not understand the scientific method. Science doesn't deal in absolutes. You cannot use the scientific method to prove 100% that the Sun is bigger than the earth. It's just not possible to do so. Every atheist here doubts the theory of evolution. What they don't doubt is that evolutionary change happened. This is an absolute fact in the same sense the sun is bigger than the earth. The mechanism (Natural Selection) may not explain every change in the organism overtime. Of this we are open minded to. However, we do not like accusations by creationists of NS not explaining a change when NS explains it perfectly. Strawmen in science are the ultimate in intellectal dishonesty. (Which is generally why I come down real hard on pseudo-climatologists. I can't yet for pseudo-evolutionists
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Secondly, you have this idea that scientific theories never change. Small aspects of every theory are revised weekly (if not monthly) by scientists that publish through genuine peer review. Sometimes errors are made in these papers that incorrectly give us the assumption that we have made an advancement. Other times there are no errors made. Other times only a minute advancement or refinement happens. Every so often though, something unexpected or intended can lead to huge leaps forward in both, progressing the theory and improving its accuracy :The theory of evolution today will not be the exact same theory in a decade times.
Stick around here and you will probably lose your misconceptions, have a good time and learn a sh1tload of new information!.0
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