one way system for kilkenny

Firetrap

femur61 wrote: »

Its great people can cycle but your hardly going to carry your weekly shopping on yer bike!

No but I don't go shopping every day

I drive and cycle so I see both sides of the fence. I just think they should have tweaked it or tried other routes rather than abandon it altogether.

ergonomics

femur61 wrote: »

Its great people can cycle but your hardly going to carry your weekly shopping on yer bike!

No one has ever said that you can never ever drive into town.

swifty73

Firetrap wrote: »

No but I don't go shopping every day

I drive and cycle so I see both sides of the fence. I just think they should have tweaked it or tried other routes rather than abandon it altogether.

yes it,s such a shame as john st today is as polluted as ever with cars doing no shopping here and making the footpaths very uncomfortable. a one way high st does nothing for the town as a whole,will not make me get on my bike more because the high st is one way.
the ne sayers are all about what a waist of money when it,s them that waisted the money by not giving it a chance.

Captain Havoc

I thinks there's only one way to settle this: a race between a motorist, a cyclist and a pedestrian down high st

linny

why cant the high street just be closed for traffic or closed like keiran st, why anyone needs to drive down high street beyond me

swifty73

linny wrote: »

why cant the high street just be closed for traffic or closed like keiran st, why anyone needs to drive down high street beyond me

because closing high st would leave it dead from mon-thur and kill all the other streets with traffic.

Lord ButterSlip

linny wrote: »

why cant the high street just be closed for traffic or closed like keiran st, why anyone needs to drive down high street beyond me

I was thinking about this the other day I dont think it would kill the place because because most of the traffic that goes through high st doesnt stop in the shops anyway. So it should be considered.

pueblo

linny wrote: »

why cant the high street just be closed for traffic or closed like keiran st, why anyone needs to drive down high street beyond me

3 Reasons why it can't..

1. People live in and around High st, and need access.
2, Businesses need access both for deliveries and collection by customers.
3. The less abled, those with multiple children or those too lazy to walk can all be dropped off and collected easily at almost any shop on High st; ease of access has to be a good thing for businesses and the community.

Ollchailin

Yeah to be honest I wasn't a fan of the one way system (although I also do think people didn't give it a chance), but I definitely think that High Street would be brilliant if it was pedestrianised from between the junction at Friary street (Paul's) & the junction at James' street (The Metropole)*.

There's nowhere to turn off to in between those places anyway really (not sure what the story would be with William st) so there's no real reason for people to drive there. As it is, even if you do drive there, you're stopping a few times to let people cross the road. It'd be lovely to turn High Street into Kilkenny's version of Shop St in Galway.

*If this does happen, it was my idea & I will be wanting some form of payment

pueblo

....and why not just leave High St.one way?

with increased footpath space, some on-street parking and maybe a cycle lane or two it might go some way to resolving the issues?

pueblo

Ollchailin wrote: »

It'd be lovely to turn High Street into Kilkenny's version of Shop St in Galway.

*If this does happen, it was my idea & I will be wanting some form of payment

It is a nice idea, though I believe that without adequate parking facilities or well thought out road infrastructure/public transport this would be a disaster.

Ollchailin

pueblo wrote: »

2, Businesses need access both for deliveries and collection by customers.
QUOTE]


Well there'd have to be some way around that- Grafton Street, Henry St etc seem to manage fine with deliveries & collections & they're closed to traffic.

Captain Havoc

Not really an issue, you allow delivery access before 9am. Tell me in the current economic climate which supplier isn't going to bother his ass to get down here before 9am?

femur61

Ollchailin wrote: »

pueblo wrote: »

2, Businesses need access both for deliveries and collection by customers.
QUOTE]


Well there'd have to be some way around that- Grafton Street, Henry St etc seem to manage fine with deliveries & collections & they're closed to traffic.

Showing my age hear but I remember when Henry St and Grafton St allowed traffic. And plus I don't think people live on High St anyway if they do they still need to park else where.

Cabaal

pueblo wrote: »

3 Reasons why it can't..

1. People live in and around High st, and need access.
2, Businesses need access both for deliveries and collection by customers.
3. The less abled, those with multiple children or those too lazy to walk can all be dropped off and collected easily at almost any shop on High st; ease of access has to be a good thing for businesses and the community.

1. People live in and around numerous other pedestrian areas through Ireland and the world and get on just fine, Kilkenny is no different

2. Deliverys can still happen and customer can just get there stuff to their car like any other pedestrian area

3. People can make their way to the area by foot, wheelchair, bike, electric cart thingy just like the do anywhere else

I just don't understand why people seem to think Kilkenny should be any different or has some sort of "special" restrictions or needs that no where else has
:rolleyes:

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Not really an issue, you allow delivery access before 9am. Tell me in the current economic climate which supplier isn't going to bother his ass to get down here before 9am?

Economic climate doesn't even come into it, they'll still deliver at the required times regardless if they want the business.

ergonomics

pueblo wrote: »

3 Reasons why it can't..

1. People live in and around High st, and need access.
2, Businesses need access both for deliveries and collection by customers.
3. The less abled, those with multiple children or those too lazy to walk can all be dropped off and collected easily at almost any shop on High st; ease of access has to be a good thing for businesses and the community.

Part of me agrees with you but then consider Kieran Street. That was pedestrianised and people live on it, and businesses needed access but it didn't bother them.

For some reason the people in Kilkenny are refusing to adapt. I honestly cannot remember the last time I drove down John Street or High Street. The traffic was always too bad so I adapted and found other routes.

catbear

People can adapt but knobhead Noonan wants to blame the public when his baby didn't work out. Nothing new there, the Greens NAMA is nothing but contemptible.

He has failed to learn that diplomacy is the art of letting other people have your way. For example how much time was spent putting together an implementation plan.

Were there options that the public could have been consulted about, like when the NRA had different routes for the N9 and the consultation process was open to submissions.

In comparison to other towns that have implemented one way systems, was there enough forethought put into the implementation process in Kilkenny.

Noonan is really acting like a baby throwing his toys out of the pram.

What did he do to engender support in the months leading up to the trial.
He apologies to pedestrian and cyclists but projects scorn on everyone else.

I'm a pedestrian and a cyclist and I have nothing but contempt for Knobhead Noonan, he has acted uncivilly in Kilkenny highest civic duty. He has through his green obsession overlooked the fact that government acts through people to make change, he has shown indifference to the people and they have pushed back.

And what's worse, he has a sermon on the Reporter about the evils of capitalism and greed and yet he'll support the bailout of the very banks that indebted a whole generation and have left another to rot on the dole.

Noonan's incompetence is dangerous, for his own safety maybe it would be best if he were recalled as mayor. At this rate he'll become as unpopular as Mayor Axtell.

Threadhead

I think you'll find that Malcolm Noonan didn't blame the public. His comment was misconstrued and he apologised widely and comprehensively.

As far as being recalled as Mayor, it's my opinion that he's the best Mayor of Kilkenny that I've seen in my lifetime. I think it's absolutely unfair that the fantastic work he's done over the past 10 months is being tarnished by the failure of this system. Can you give an example of the 'scorn' he has projected on everyone that's not a cyclist or pedestrian? The man drives a car too you know.

Whilst I disagree with your potshots at Malcolm Noonan, I absolutely agree with all of your non Noonan bashing comments. There was no consultation with the public at all and absolutely no forethought put into the system. It was badly botched from the get go.

But on this note, I don't think the councillor's should be blamed entirely. They were presented with what was thought to be a workable system by the city engineers and planners. Obviously, it wasn't.

It wasn't like Noonan and the other councillors were out measuring the width of the roads and flipping off motorists to get this plan in place.

catbear

All his work will be tarnished by being a Green, they support a private inquiry of the banking system! They're laughing at us, Seanie Fitz coming and going to Marbella as he pleases, people emigrating in the thousands.

Look threadhead, Iceland lost its banking system, the inquiry has already been published, the banks nationalised and yet Iceland still has under 9% unemployment and holding, whereas we've gone from just over 4% to just under 14% in two and a half years!

The Icelandic people rejected socialising the banking debts yet our idiot Greens who put themselves on a pedestal above corruption are now, by staying in power, allowing a corrupt banking sector to survive while the taxpayer gets shafted, the unemployed are ignored,and are told emigration can be a positive experience.

There's a chasm of hurt opening up in this society and it will blow up eventually. So if my comments clash with your esteem for him, then I ask you to reconsider your view. Ignorance is not a defense, public bodies do public consultation as part of their duty.

I am for improved pedestrian and cycle access to the streets, however his pedestal posturing is at odds with a nation in need of accountability.

His pious pile of putrid populous pomposity in the Reporter erased what little polite respect I may have had in reserve. He runs with a rabid pack. You say non-noonan potshots, they all stick to those who support them and he's one of them.

The greatest irony is that NAMA is the very thing that he would have repulsed him when he still had a conscience. Unlike you, I can not separate the deed from the doer. He supports the corrupt. May he fall with them.

Cabaal

catbear wrote: »

<SNIP>
The greatest irony is that NAMA is the very thing that he would have repulsed him when he still had a conscience. Unlike you, I can not separate the deed from the doer. He supports the corrupt. May he fall with them.

Seriously talk about dragging the thread off topic, the thread is about one way systems in Kilkenny its not about NAMA or what you believe to be the failings of the gov.

I'd respect you more if you could argue about a one way system without dragging the whole thing off topic in some sort of rant.

JohnMc1

Does anyone know what the traffic system for Dean Street is? Will I be able to turn right to go right on the roundabout over the Green's Bridge, turn down wolftone's st to access Michael's Street?

Threadhead

In response to catbear, I am not a supporter of the Greens and I certainly don't stand by them or vote for them. My support of Malcolm Noonan is not my support for the Greens.

I support him on a local level in terms of what he does locally. And he's done a lot. I would have the same support for a O'hArgain or a McGuinness if they were Mayor and had the interests of the Kilkenny people at heart. Even though I wouldn't vote for either of them if my life depended on it.

With all due respect, I understand what you are saying and agree with it but it's not what I'm talking about. I think the Greens will get what they deserve when the next election comes around. But as a Kilkenny person judging another Kilkenny person for what they've done locally, I think Malcolm Noonan has consistently done this city proud. The failure of the one way system isn't just his failure. It's everyone's.

catbear

Yes JohnMac1, you can turn right after you cross Greensbridge to access Wolfetone Street. Don't know about Dean st.

There, I'm back on topic.

The debate about where the person ends and their politics starts is rightly for another topic.

Lord ButterSlip

pueblo wrote: »

3 Reasons why it can't..

1. People live in and around High st, and need access.
2, Businesses need access both for deliveries and collection by customers.
3. The less abled, those with multiple children or those too lazy to walk can all be dropped off and collected easily at almost any shop on High st; ease of access has to be a good thing for businesses and the community.

Kilkenny is that special is it?

catbear wrote: »

At this rate he'll become as unpopular as Mayor Axtell.

A bit over excited there? I dont think Mayor Noonan will start disembowling monks, will he? No.

JohnMc1

catbear wrote: »

Yes JohnMac1, you can turn right after you cross Greensbridge to access Wolfetone Street. Don't know about Dean st.

Thanks catbear. Much appreciated.

Is it just me or is this solution to the one way system more more confusing than the actual one way system was?

catbear

I find the current set up just fine JohnMc1, except for walking on John street and Rose Inn street.

Lord Butterslip, we may not have as many monks now as then but our wallets are being disemboweled as we speak, I don't know if you heard but Gormless confirmed today that water rates are on the way. I'm not going to drag this off topic again so I'll say no more.

Traffic observations will be my only further offerings on this thread.

By the way, traffic was quiet today.

patrickk

What need is colour coded system.

White,black,silver and blue cars,vans can go two way (aka commercial fleet)

Red,orange,green,yellow,purple,tartan,etc go one way

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

i'm taking bets on how long this thread will last and before the critics come on board i didnt start volcano ok