Jim Corr, New World Order Plant?

Flamed Diving

Mahatma coat wrote: »

isnt the whole point of theorising to basicly MAKE THINGS UP, you have an observed phenomonen, you try to understand it, you make up all sorts of theories, you apply a bit of a process of elimination on them and the ones you cant dismiss out of hand are your worlin hypotheses.

and FD you know exactly what you were trying to do.

This video might help you learn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcavPAFiG14

MC, I have no idea what you are talking about. If you have something to say, then just say it. You just seem to be acting very aggressively today.

Mahatma coat

anything I said to you personally would probably end up with me getting banned.

anyway its 3AM I'm off ta bed

Flamed Diving

Mahatma coat wrote: »

anything I said to you personally would probably end up with me getting banned.

anyway its 3AM I'm off ta bed

It seems I was right, then...

humanji

Stop the childish bickering!

Di0genes

Pixel8 wrote: »

You are either insane yourself or you haven't seen The Power Of Nightmares, Century Of The Self, The Trap, Occupation 101

I've seen everything Curtis has made. It constantly boggles the mind that someone can look at the power of nightmares and claim Curtis believes "OMG 911 inside Job". The entire point of power of nightmares is drawing parallels between the growth of Islamic extremism and the growth of Neo Conservatism.

The Power of Nightmares clearly states that Islamic Extremist Terrorist carried out 911 and weren't planned and or organised by the US government or the NWO.

How you can put a credible film maker like Curtis alongside idiots like Bermas or Avery (who have admited that loose change contains "errors") boggles the mind.

Mc Namara is a former US defence secretary. I'd be curious to see why you think he thinks theres a NWO.

or any of the interviews with Martin Sheen...

You're mixing him up with his idiot son.

Why are you still in denial Di0genes? There's so much out there and you only ever spend your time on boards... worst researcher ever.

Personal abuse post repoted.

Pixel8

oceanclub wrote: »

Please explain what you would accept as definite "proof" of an event that happened thousands of years ago. And please show the "proof" you have that these buildings were created by space aliens that is _more_ convinving than the proof that they were created by people.

I mean, for one thing, you would first have to prove that ALIENS ACTUALLY EXIST. (I think even you would acccept that people exist, since you are one.)

P.

Deary deary me, i never said i believed anything. And what proof are you referring to that the pyramids or other megalithic structures were built by humans? I mean i know you believe that coz thats what you said but there's really no proof that humans did build the pyramids, yet this is clearly what you believe albeit without scientific evidence? Not very scientific on your part to believe something without investigating yourself... There are theories on how humans might have built them but no hard evidence that i can find myself?

I don't think i believe it was humans and i don't know if it was aliens but i know this much, i certainly do question the official story because there are so many researchers out there looking into this stuff and finding that they either had to be giants that built them, which im not opposed to, or else they were very advanced civilizations, more advanced than now. So maybe more advanced humans than we have now or else aliens, plain and simple. I do think the giants theory is a good one because i kinda think the expanding earth theory is a good one and if the earth was smaller back then, then people were probably a lot bigger than they are now, a bit like dinosaur size compared to humans now, lower gravity and all that.

One thing i find about Boards.ie though is that a lot of us really do believe what we've been told in school and college, like oceanclub, without really questioning it. It's not til you look into all this stuff that we didnt hear about in school, on a medium as unfiltered as the net, that you realise how different the world actually is and how little humans really know about it all. Humans are made out to be these all knowing entities that rule the universe when really, we're just the immature race of the galaxy still trying to discover space travel. Zzzzzz. I really hope i see public space travel in my time, the goddamn slowness of humans... And when are we gonna get to fly around on these triangular ufo's with the red light in the middle, we know they're out there, there's proof of that, selfishness..

Flamed Diving

Pixel8 wrote: »

Deary deary me, i never said i believed anything. And what proof are you referring to that the pyramids or other megalithic structures were built by humans? I mean i know you believe that coz thats what you said but there's really no proof that humans did build the pyramids, yet this is clearly what you believe albeit without scientific evidence? Not very scientific on your part to believe something without investigating yourself... There are theories on how humans might have built them but no hard evidence that i can find myself?

I don't think i believe it was humans and i don't know if it was aliens but i know this much, i certainly do question the official story because there are so many researchers out there looking into this stuff and finding that they either had to be giants that built them, which im not opposed to, or else they were very advanced civilizations, more advanced than now. So maybe more advanced humans than we have now or else aliens, plain and simple. I do think the giants theory is a good one because i kinda think the expanding earth theory is a good one and if the earth was smaller back then, then people were probably a lot bigger than they are now, a bit like dinosaur size compared to humans now, lower gravity and all that.

One thing i find about Boards.ie though is that a lot of us really do believe what we've been told in school and college, like oceanclub, without really questioning it. It's not til you look into all this stuff that we didnt hear about in school, on a medium as unfiltered as the net, that you realise how different the world actually is and how little humans really know about it all. Humans are made out to be these all knowing entities that rule the universe when really, we're just the immature race of the galaxy still trying to discover space travel. Zzzzzz. I really hope i see public space travel in my time, the goddamn slowness of humans... And when are we gonna get to fly around on these triangular ufo's with the red light in the middle, we know they're out there, there's proof of that, selfishness..

There is so much wrong with this post, factually, logically... and it is very late. So I'm just going to state that I object to everything on it, and leave it there. Especially since you dodged:

Proof is the exclusive domain of mathematics. Do you understand what is meant by that?

oceanclub

So did giants build the medieval cathedrals of Europe? Or is it only brown people who are stupid?

P.

Stainless_Steel

Pixel8 wrote: »

One thing i find about Boards.ie though is that a lot of us really do believe what we've been told in school and college, like oceanclub, without really questioning it.

Thats funny. I learned mathematics in school and college, and now know how the pyramids were built because of it.

Not to insult anyone, but a university degree in maths, science or engineering would have CTers debunk a lot of their rubbish theories themselves. And dont give me this crap that uni only teaches the 'official' line....my lecturers werent bloody nazi NWO psychos.

Regarding Jim Corr - he seems to believe every CT as fact - therefore I dont bother wasting my time listening to him anymore.

LeBash

This many people didnt listen to Jim Corr when he was the amazing 3 chord trick axeman at the head of the mighty force to be reckoned with that was the CORRS.

Hes has far more time than friends and he has realised that when talking CT, bobbleheads actually listen (and only 10% listen for the craic).

Mahatma coat

Flamed Diving wrote: »

There is so much wrong with this post, factually, logically... and it is very late. So I'm just going to state that I object to everything on it, and leave it there.

I presume that you are going to tell us what you find wrong with the post in detail.

Especially since you dodged:

People in glass houses should follow up on the Questions others ask them if they want to play that game

Proof is the exclusive domain of mathematics. Do you understand what is meant by that?

We had this discussion previously, I believe bonkey gave a very clear answer as to what constitutes proof and the use of the word in the context of the CT Forum, but hey Veiled insults make you feel far more Superior Eh.

Mahatma coat

Not to insult anyone, but a university degree in maths, science or engineering would have CTers debunk a lot of their rubbish theories themselves. And dont give me this crap that uni only teaches the 'official' line....my lecturers werent bloody nazi NWO psychos.

See this presumes that none of the Pro CT Posters have Degrees.

I have one

I know a few of the regulars here have degrees

and Still we dont agree with you, We have the intelectual capacity to examine the same information, yet we see things differently to you.

Universitys Only teach the Official line, that is the truth of the situation, I remember askin some Questions about Cold fusion in my Physics Lectures only to be vocaly shot down and derided by the lecturer wh Stated that the evidence was conclusive that it Couldnt work. Then the Internet connected me to researchers at reputable institutions all over the world showing the technology actually working

Mahatma coat

LeBash wrote: »

This many people didnt listen to Jim Corr when he was the amazing 3 chord trick axeman at the head of the mighty force to be reckoned with that was the CORRS.

Hes has far more time than friends and he has realised that when talking CT, bobbleheads actually listen (and only 10% listen for the craic).

Bobbleheads????????

oceanclub

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Thats funny. I learned mathematics in school and college, and now know how the pyramids were built because of it.

I recall getting thrown out of religion class several times for arguing with my teacher. No, silly me, I swallowed all the lies from the new world order.

Pixel8; occasionally, what you learn in school is actually true, and the fact you find it hard to understand isn't because it's wrong.

P.

Stainless_Steel

Mahatma coat wrote: »

See this presumes that none of the Pro CT Posters have Degrees.

I have one

I know a few of the regulars here have degrees

and Still we dont agree with you, We have the intelectual capacity to examine the same information, yet we see things differently to you.

Universitys Only teach the Official line, that is the truth of the situation, I remember askin some Questions about Cold fusion in my Physics Lectures only to be vocaly shot down and derided by the lecturer wh Stated that the evidence was conclusive that it Couldnt work. Then the Internet connected me to researchers at reputable institutions all over the world showing the technology actually working

Your reasoning baffles me. You are implying that because your lecturer probably didn't want to go off topic in class or just wasn't an expert, that he is hiding something from you?! Is he plotting against man kind? Please tell me you accept that it is at least a possibiliy that you're lecturer isint a NWO psycho.

I did say don't give me the crap about uni teaching the official line. They teach the correct, proven line. Please understand that for their to be a conspiracy in this area that it would take mass deception from ordinary people.

Flamed Diving

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I presume that you are going to tell us what you find wrong with the post in detail.

No, it's too long, and the absurdity is too interwoven. It would take hours.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

People in glass houses should follow up on the Questions others ask them if they want to play that game

Why do you capitalise random words, like "Questions"?

Mahatma coat wrote: »

We had this discussion previously, I believe bonkey gave a very clear answer as to what constitutes proof and the use of the word in the context of the CT Forum, but hey Veiled insults make you feel far more Superior Eh.

What veiled insults? Any examples?

I just read the charter, and saw nothing of you contextual proof claim. What I found was this, and I suggest you give it some thought:

There should be a reasonable give-and-take in terms of how strongly someone expresses a belief in the truth (or falsity) of something, and how others react to it.

For example, if you state that something is a fact, then it's not unreasonable for someone to ask you to show that there is a strong basis for making such a claim.

Pixel8:

FACT CLAIM: I mean i know you believe that coz thats what you said but there's really no proof that humans did build the pyramids...

FACT CLAIM: we know they're out there, there's proof of that

mysterious:

FACT CLAIM: Science doesn't know, only a handful of people know. Science is dis info as far as I'm concerned. If scientist's actually knew the truth, they wouldn't tell humanity. Most scientists work in black ops and secret services. The mainstream science is just a disney set. Science is the most over rated junk ever given to humanity. It's keep us imprizoned into a physical perceptual view of existence, and there is just so much more beyond the physical perceptual realm of reality. The illuminati know's this. Thats why we have science and education to keep us dumbed down. Ironic eh.

There are cities under the Giza plateu, and the tunnels and shafts go far deeper than they do in that pic.

Conversely, if you state that you personally tend to favour one interpretation over another, it would be unreasonable for someone to ask you to prove your stance to be correct.

I agree.

Please remember that there are many forms of evidence. As well as cold hard facts, there is anecdotal evidence, circumstantial evidence, and any number of other things. Some people value these differently to others. Just because you don't find something to be convincing as evidence doesn't mean that it isn't evidence, nor that someone else can't find it convincing.

I don't agree, but it's your forum. Let's play by the rules.

oceanclub

Mahatma, weren't you about to prove Erich Von Daniken correct before you had to go to bed?

Hopefully your proof is a bit more concrete than the one you're using to "prove" that Singapore is more of a democracy than Australia and New Zealand (that you managed to buy hash in a bar there once).

P.

Mahatma coat

I can neither 'Prove' to you that Von Dainikan is right or wrong any more than I can 'Prove' that Jarrad Diamond is right or wrong in his book.

All I'm sayin is that Your Absolute truth is no more right than Mine or his, every theory should be judged on its own merits, there are odd Indiginous paintins of People in 'Space Suite' on rocks here in Australia, and they're a Lot older than European settlement, that much is Fact

oceanclub

Have you ever noticed that arguing with a conspiracy theorist is like trying to nail a jelly to a wall? Just as you try to concentrate on a particular thing - in this case, I asked for prove of a _single_ theory of Von Danikens - the conversation is deliberately sidetracked into spacesuits in fecking Australia. I wonder is there a link between CT and ADD?

P.

Flamed Diving

No, MC. All hypotheses are of equal merit, but evidence fetters out the rubbish and makes theories out of those well accounted for. You seem to think that the scientific meaning of theory is just to guess at things. If so, you are hopelessly mistaken. That video I presented would actually teach you a lot. In addition, your seeming "lack of knowledge" (i cant even use the correct use of the word ignorance for fear of infraction, ffs) on how the scientific method works makes me doubt your claims to have a physics degree.

Mahatma coat

this isnt the called he Conspiracy Hypothesis Forum, so Theory i the word I'll use, Like LIZZZZZZZZARDS is a word I'll use to describe a far deeper concept which we're hammerin out here, this is not a Science forum its a conspiracy theory forum, although the subjects are not mutually exclusive;)

Flamed Diving

Yeah, but I said "scientific meaning". In it's common use, theory just means guess.

Stainless_Steel

Mahatma coat wrote: »

this isnt the called he Conspiracy Hypothesis Forum, so Theory i the word I'll use, Like LIZZZZZZZZARDS is a word I'll use to describe a far deeper concept which we're hammerin out here, this is not a Science forum its a conspiracy theory forum, although the subjects are not mutually exclusive;)

If it's not a science forum then CTers should really stop claiming all scientists haven't a clue about things they spend their lives researching.

oceanclub

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

If it's not a science forum then CTers should really stop claiming all scientists haven't a clue about things they spend their lives researching.

We'd already seen one post claim that all scientists are either in black ops or the secret service. I mean, anyone who's gone to university and had friends who studied science and then went onto jobs in the sector knows how absolutely patently stupid such a claim is. It's absolutely impossible to argue with this kind of lunacy and I find it more worrying than religious fundamentalism.

P.

Mahatma coat

how about replacin the word ALL with SOME and then maybe we can have a rational debate

oceanclub

Mahatma coat wrote: »

how about replacin the word ALL with SOME and then maybe we can have a rational debate

Actually, you originally said "most". So, let's talk rationally, shall we?

What proportion - to the nearest 10% - of the 40,000 people per year who graduate from a science course in Irish universities (http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/media/housesoftheoireachtas/libraryresearch/Science_and_Maths_Education_in_Ireland.pdf) are working in black ops and the secret service?

You said "most", so I assume you think that at the very least, 20,001 Irish people go to work for black ops or the Irish secret service every year?

P.

Flamed Diving

oceanclub wrote: »

We'd already seen one post claim that all scientists are either in black ops or the secret service. I mean, anyone who's gone to university and had friends who studied science and then went onto jobs in the sector knows how absolutely patently stupid such a claim is. It's absolutely impossible to argue with this kind of lunacy and I find it more worrying than religious fundamentalism.

P.

At least you know where you stand with the religious, it's all written in one book!

Torakx

Flamed Diving wrote: »

At least you know where you stand with the religious, it's all written in one book!

Lol i dissagree! all the books are different and interpreted different.Its even worse than the CT world and the mind control is way more subtle for most people to see it.

TalkieWalkie

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Regarding Jim Corr - he seems to believe every CT as fact - therefore I dont bother wasting my time listening to him anymore.

I think it's a little presumptuous to of you to make this statement, how on earth would you know what CT's he believes or doesn't ?

That said, I would imagine that most people who are aware of the 911 and NWO conspiracies, believe in them to some degree.

Flamed Diving

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I think it's a little presumptuous to of you to make this statement...

I would imagine that most people who are aware of the 911 and NWO conspiracies, believe in them to some degree.

:pac:

studiorat

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

That said, I would imagine that most people who are aware of the 911 and NWO conspiracies, believe in them to some degree.

Ok, I have to ask. Why would you think that?

TalkieWalkie

studiorat wrote: »

Ok, I have to ask. Why would you think that?

It's just my opinion. I personally have never met anyone who has researched or watched the available video's of the mentioned conspiracies and said it's all completely tripe.

Keep in mind, I did say "most"..(majority) and "to some degree".

Stainless_Steel

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I think it's a little presumptuous to of you to make this statement, how on earth would you know what CT's he believes or doesn't?

Eh dude....he has a site full of the crap, and he even goes on tv sayig what he believes is the truth.

Flamed Diving

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

It's just my opinion. I personally have never met anyone who has researched or watched the available video's of the mentioned conspiracies and said it's all completely tripe.

Keep in mind, I did say "most"..(majority) and "to some degree".

I'm one of them. I have watched:

- All editions of Loose Change, except the newest rehash
- Both of the Zeitgeist videos
- The Obama Deception

Bull****, but entertaining bull****, I will give them that.

TalkieWalkie

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Eh dude....he has a site full of the crap, and he even goes on tv sayig what he believes is the truth.

And you go on boards saying what he says is crap and what you believe is true. :rolleyes:

Flamed Diving wrote: »

I'm one of them. I have watched:

- All editions of Loose Change, except the newest rehash
- Both of the Zeitgeist videos
- The Obama Deception

Bull****, but entertaining bull****, I will give them that.

I respect your opinion and I agree, lots of bull**** in those movies, but there is a degree of truth and they raise a lot of unanswered questions. There are many other movies more damning evidence. 100's in fact.

studiorat

True enough they raised some unanswered questions. But, there's no shortage of loons prepared to fill in those gaps with makey-uppy CT's and publish that as fact.

Stainless_Steel

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

And you go on boards saying what he says is crap and what you believe is true. :rolleyes.

Good one. My initial point was that I have no time for Corr because he takes all the usual CTs as fact. Then I said I know this from looking at his site and seeing him on tv. And you just go on a tangent that I come on boards?!

TalkieWalkie

EDIT - quote studiorat
That's true also, LOTS of LOONS, but also many credible sources, respected people and celebs risking their reputations and putting their necks on the chopping block. It is kinda crazy to believe that Osama planned the whole 911 gig. And if he did, they seem to have forgiven him and given up the search .

Flamed Diving

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

I respect your opinion and I agree, lots of bull**** in those movies, but there is a degree of truth and they raise a lot of unanswered questions. There are many other movies more damning evidence. 100's in fact.

Maybe there is some truth in it, but when they layer the Truth Cake in steaming hot layers of bull****, it kind of gets lost in all the... smell.

I have glimpsed at some other videos, but it is always the same. They just take some clips of Obama/Bernanke/etc speaking and them edit them so as to make them look like they are lying, or evading questions or whatever.

As far as I see it, the only liars and the only conspirators are the ones who produced the video.

A nice, clean irony bun.

Torakx

Flamed Diving wrote: »

I'm one of them. I have watched:

- All editions of Loose Change, except the newest rehash
- Both of the Zeitgeist videos
- The Obama Deception

Bull****, but entertaining bull****, I will give them that.

I hope thats not the only CT stuff you watch as they are the mainstream junk with some truth and some unconfirmed.
Good for initiation to the Ct world but i would rather people watch the secret of OZ.Since i watched that i felt they had a much better idea of the monetary system than zeitgeist tries to put out.
Havent watched loose change it looks kinda cheese to me.Is it any good factually?

Flamed Diving

Torakx wrote: »

I hope thats not the only CT stuff you watch as they are the mainstream junk with some truth and some unconfirmed.
Good for initiation to the Ct world but i would rather people watch the secret of OZ.Since i watched that i felt they had a much better idea of the monetary system than zeitgeist tries to put out.
Havent watched loose change it looks kinda cheese to me.Is it any good factually?

I may give it a look some day. However, I already know how the monetary system works, I was teaching a small class about it today. Zeitgeist definitely took the dumbed down version of the whole multiplier thing and then blew it out of proportion, so I will see how this video goes.

The early editions were rubbish, it was so easy to kill the arguments without even having to think too much. The later version was much better in its presentation of argument, with most of the more spurious stuff taken out. It is a decent watch, though. Time to kill sort of viewing.

TalkieWalkie

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

Good one. My initial point was that I have no time for Corr because he takes all the usual CTs as fact. Then I said I know this from looking at his site and seeing him on tv. And you just go on a tangent that I come on boards?!

Yah, and my point is that you cant know he believes every CT he see's. Perhaps he believes parts of some and others.
I think generally they all come down to one thing, a new world order conspiracy by the worlds elites. Weather this conspiracy is a naturally occurring thing due to greed or it is planned by the Bilderberg is a whole new matter and thread.

TalkieWalkie

Flamed Diving wrote: »

I may give it a look some day. However, I already know how the monetary system works, I was teaching a small class about it today. Zeitgeist definitely took the dumbed down version of the whole multiplier thing and then blew it out of proportion, so I will see how this video goes.

The early editions were rubbish, it was so easy to kill the arguments without even having to think too much. The later version was much better in its presentation of argument, with most of the more spurious stuff taken out. It is a decent watch, though. Time to kill sort of viewing.

I would recommend "Freedom to Fascism" by Aaron Russo, on google vid. Great insight into the workings of the money system, IMO.
30 Minute Interview http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#docid=-3254488777215293198

Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N331kGvh0U0

Documentary http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#

Stainless_Steel

TalkieWalkie wrote: »

Yah, and my point is that you cant know he believes every CT he see's. Perhaps he believes parts of some and others.
I think generally they all come down to one thing, a new world order conspiracy by the worlds elites. Weather this conspiracy is a naturally occurring thing due to greed or it is planned by the Bilderberg is a whole new matter and thread.

so you think that even though he says something is true, he mightn't actually
believe it? Fair enough but either way he's a tulip.

TalkieWalkie

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

so you think that even though he says something is true, he mightn't actually
believe it? Fair enough but either way he's a tulip.

lol, no i am not saying that. I am saying he may have some **** on his site, this doesn't mean he believes all of it. I am sure he believes what he says to be true. This doesn't mean he believes every CT he watches. And I think it's a little presumptuous to suggest that he does, that's all.

Torakx

I could relate to that.
I talk an awful lot about CT's that i dotn fully believe is true.I just accept to myself that theres a possibility and am happy to search into it and discuss but not comit in myself to wether this is 100% fact or not.Sometimes there is no proof especially when you want to look into coverups.
But with that said i wouldnt make a website on the CT's i didnt want to commit to.Maybe he felt they are ones worthy of everyone to investigate as he had not very long to look into these things i think.
I have been looking into documentaries and websites for about 2 years non stop and am nowhere near ready to open a website based on these theories.
But fair play for sticking his neck out if he isnt trying to mislead.

Mahatma coat

so are we going to get to benefit from this Encyclopedic Economic knowledge of yours then FD, or are you just gonna make a lot of noise???

TalkieWalkie

venkman wrote: »

I am beginning to suspect that Jim Corr may be an agent working for the new world order. His appearance on the saturady night chat show, where he highlighted the most disprovable elements of the 9/11 conspiracy theory, as well as his other outlandish statements, just served to detract from the whole movement's credability.

I would imagine Jims sisters warned him off opening his mouth about all the conspiracy stuff at least until the band had disbanded. And even then some people would be looking at them weird too.

I am not sure if he "highlighted the most disprovable elements of the 9/11". The fact that he mentions anything at all about it, I think is a good thing and if I were a new world order elite I would certainly prefer he kept his mouth shut rather than spread the word that there is a possibility of 911 being an inside job.

oceanclub

oceanclub wrote: »

Actually, you originally said "most". So, let's talk rationally, shall we?

What proportion - to the nearest 10% - of the 40,000 people per year who graduate from a science course in Irish universities (http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/media/housesoftheoireachtas/libraryresearch/Science_and_Maths_Education_in_Ireland.pdf) are working in black ops and the secret service?

You said "most", so I assume you think that at the very least, 20,001 Irish people go to work for black ops or the Irish secret service every year?

P.

Mahatma, any chance of an answer to this?

P.

Flamed Diving

Mahatma coat wrote: »

so are we going to get to benefit from this Encyclopedic Economic knowledge of yours then FD, or are you just gonna make a lot of noise???

Make a lot of noise. Any attempt at a carefully constructed explanation would be wasted here, in my opinion.