Spare a thought for Barry

johnnyrotten · 09-02-2010 2:28am

SkepticOne wrote: »

That was a huge PR disaster for the unions wasn't it when the roads to the North were blocked on the day of the strike. It didn't help either when some trade union official in Donegal later tried to organise buses for public sector workers to shop over the border.

There was no proof that the queues on the M1 were caused by Puclic sector strikerson shopping sprees. In truth it was probably people on a day trip because the kids were off school

average_runner · 09-02-2010 9:57am

To Johnny Rotten

There is no proof to say the queues werent cause by the public sector also. Out of the 30 people i know in the public sector they all went north that day.

My salary has gone form 50,000 to 40,000 in a year but happy i have a job.

And can public servants stop mentioning the levy, yes you lost a small percentage of your salary but your pension lost nothing, that doesnt happen in private sector when we get a pay cut.

Riskymove · 09-02-2010 11:34am

average_runner wrote: »

And can public servants stop mentioning the levy, yes you lost a small percentage of your salary but your pension lost nothing, that doesnt happen in private sector when we get a pay cut.

afraid you are wrong there, public servants have had their pensions affected, albeit in a relatively small manner...so far....we await the "pension review"!

average_runner · 09-02-2010 2:37pm

RiskyMove;

What i said was public sector pensions were not effected by the levy. Everything else is relative as happens to all pensions.

Also pensions should not increase at the rate of a salary increase when they retire

Riskymove · 09-02-2010 3:33pm

average_runner wrote: »

What i said was public sector pensions were not effected by the levy. Everything else is relative as happens to all pensions.

everything else is relative? a nice stoic attitude

public servants now pay more for a smaller pension is the basic situation; yes there are all sorts of other arguments around that as to still getting a good deal etc; but the last year has shown how the pension and entitlements can be changed at the whim of the Government

for all the problems of the last year in the markets I'd still rather have a tangible fund I could see and monitor than have my future security in the hands of politicians

Count Dooku · 09-02-2010 6:18pm

Riskymove wrote: »

everything else is relative? a nice stoic attitude

public servants now pay more for a smaller pension is the basic situation; yes there are all sorts of other arguments around that as to still getting a good deal etc; but the last year has shown how the pension and entitlements can be changed at the whim of the Government

Do you think that government should allow public servants invest pension levy money into private pension funds? :rolleyes:

AMIIAM · 09-02-2010 6:33pm

All these Public sector crying about wage cuts! Tell me something, do public sector workers actually WORK?? Also if they feel so badly done by, surely they could cross orer to the Private sector.

P. Breathnach · 09-02-2010 6:35pm

AMIIAM wrote: »

... Tell me something, do public sector workers actually WORK?? ...

Yes.

Next question?

SkepticOne · 09-02-2010 6:39pm

johnnyrotten wrote: »

There was no proof that the queues on the M1 were caused by Puclic sector strikerson shopping sprees. In truth it was probably people on a day trip because the kids were off school

Unfortunately perception is what counts here. The perception is that it was mainly public sector workers on their one day strike. Although there may well have been some private sector workers forced to take the day off, it is the public sector who are paid out of taxes imposed on the private sector. If you take the day off to shop up north that is less tax to pay public sector wages.

Sleepy · 09-02-2010 6:41pm

P. Breathnach wrote: »

Yes.

Next question?

You ignored his next question:

AMIIAM wrote:

Also if they feel so badly done by, surely they could cross orer to the Private sector.

Though, give the lack of a question mark at the end of the sentence that's understandable!

FlashGordon1969 · 09-02-2010 7:16pm

average_runner wrote: »

To Johnny Rotten

There is no proof to say the queues werent cause by the public sector also. Out of the 30 people i know in the public sector they all went north that day.

My salary has gone form 50,000 to 40,000 in a year but happy i have a job.

And can public servants stop mentioning the levy, yes you lost a small percentage of your salary but your pension lost nothing, that doesnt happen in private sector when we get a pay cut.

How do you know 30 people in Public sector? (a bit hard to believe) and you also expect us to believe you polled them and they didnt give you a flippant response??

changes · 09-02-2010 7:50pm

Riskymove wrote: »

but the last year has shown how the pension and entitlements can be changed at the whim of the Government

That is a very important point. After what this government has done in the last 18 months to public sector pay and pensions. Trust in anything they say is significantly damaged.

I have another 33 years to go before i retire and god knows what income or pension i will get then or if i will not be made redundant.

woodseb · 09-02-2010 8:06pm

changes wrote: »

I have another 33 years to go before i retire and god knows what income or pension i will get then or if i will not be made redundant.

welcome to the real world.....

what makes you think anything can be guaranteed or promised to you 30 years hence?

FlashGordon1969 · 09-02-2010 8:29pm

SkepticOne wrote: »

Unfortunately perception is what counts here. The perception is that it was mainly public sector workers on their one day strike. Although there may well have been some private sector workers forced to take the day off, it is the public sector who are paid out of taxes imposed on the private sector. If you take the day off to shop up north that is less tax to pay public sector wages.

I know a guy from Newry-said its always busy.

changes · 09-02-2010 8:46pm

woodseb wrote: »

welcome to the real world.....

what makes you think anything can be guaranteed or promised to you 30 years hence?

I don't and never really did. I worked 4 years on a temporary contract before my permanent postion came up. I had a mortgage for the 3rd and 4th year of this. I know well the worry of not feeling secure in your employment.

How many times have you heard the following when refering to the public sector .... you have guaranteed jobs, can't be made redundant, guaranteed pensions etc.

All i'm saying is it could all change at the stroke of a fianna fail vote hungry pen.

AMIIAM · 09-02-2010 8:47pm

Thanks woodseb. These pampered public servants have got to awaken to reallity. They have been grossly overpaid for whatever work they claim to actually do. I do not consider drinking tea/coffee, intertwined with their smoke breaks as working!! I believe the more energetic ones press computer keys now and then to convince their also overpaid orerseers that they really are worth their salary. I sincerely hope Brian Lenihan sorts them out once and for all with his next budget.

ardmacha · 09-02-2010 8:54pm

I do not consider drinking tea/coffee, intertwined with their smoke breaks as working!!

I think you'll find that the proportion of smokers in the private sector is higher.

woodseb · 09-02-2010 8:58pm

changes wrote: »

I don't and never really did. I worked 4 years on a temporary contract before my permanent postion came up. I had a mortgage for the 3rd and 4th year of this. I know well the worry of not feeling secure in your employment.

How many times have you heard the following when refering to the public sector .... you have guaranteed jobs, can't be made redundant, guaranteed pensions etc.

All i'm saying is it could all change at the stroke of a fianna fail vote hungry pen.

As I said welcome to the real world, or at least a semi-reality where your job could be lost in the event of a unlikely and massive change in government policy

I think you are a long way away from adding job security to the growing list of PS moans

woodseb · 09-02-2010 8:59pm

AMIIAM wrote: »

Thanks woodseb. These pampered public servants have got to awaken to reallity. They have been grossly overpaid for whatever work they claim to actually do. I do not consider drinking tea/coffee, intertwined with their smoke breaks as working!! I believe the more energetic ones press computer keys now and then to convince their also overpaid orerseers that they really are worth their salary. I sincerely hope Brian Lenihan sorts them out once and for all with his next budget.

ardmacha wrote: »

I think you'll find that the proportion of smokers in the private sector is higher.

i don't think either of ye are adding anything constructive.....

P. Breathnach · 09-02-2010 9:00pm

AMIIAM wrote: »

Thanks woodseb. These pampered public servants have got to awaken to reallity. They have been grossly overpaid for whatever work they claim to actually do. I do not consider drinking tea/coffee, intertwined with their smoke breaks as working!! I believe the more energetic ones press computer keys now and then to convince their also overpaid orerseers that they really are worth their salary. I sincerely hope Brian Lenihan sorts them out once and for all with his next budget.

So much for my answering your question about whether public servants actually work!

changes · 09-02-2010 9:23pm

woodseb wrote: »

I think you are a long way away from adding job security to the growing list of PS moans

I think the real moaning is done by the begrudgers who cant abide people having relatively secure jobs and regular pay.

Head The Wall · 09-02-2010 10:10pm

changes wrote: »

I worked 4 years on a temporary contract before my permanent postion came up. I had a mortgage for the 3rd and 4th year of this.

I thought banks wouldn't give mortgages on temporary contracts? Anybody any info on this

AMIIAM · 09-02-2010 10:32pm

Still awaiting your answer PB. Looks like Public sectors approach to what is regarded as WORK????? is totally in conflict with private sector. In my opinion the majority of workers in a privately run company have to earn their keep, or they are fired! This is not the case with the mollycuddled public sector. Aren't the dummies they have on board not assigned to keeping the tea urn in working order?

ardmacha · 09-02-2010 10:35pm

I thought banks wouldn't give mortgages on temporary contracts? Anybody any info on this

The problem was that a couple of years ago the banks were giving our mortgages to anyone who had a pulse.

Aren't the dummies they have on board not assigned to keeping the tea urn in working order?

The modern public service worker prefers a double shot latte.

P. Breathnach · 10-02-2010 12:10am

AMIIAM wrote: »

Still awaiting your answer PB...

???

BeardyFunzo · 10-02-2010 3:46pm

AMIIAM wrote: »

I believe the more energetic ones press computer keys now...

AMIIAM wrote: »

Tell me something, do public sector workers actually WORK??

Yawn...

apparently no one teaches your kids, purifies the water, repairs the roads, collects the bins, collects your taxes, lectures to the university students, arrest criminals and so on and on and on.

What a bunch of chancers that public sector are. they should work for free and be happy about it!

The fact of the matter is that the more the public sector get bashed by the likes of you the more they will feel that they have to dig in and defend their position. if the bashing stopped (media wide, not just here because it's not important here) I'd bet willingness to engage in industrial action would wane.

BeardyFunzo · 10-02-2010 4:35pm

woodseb wrote: »

what makes you think anything can be guaranteed or promised to you 30 years hence?

Funny thing about this... Take your average 35 year old. They've been encouraged to have a pension (forced to in the public service, though that might sound funny to some here) and what is it really for?

does anyone here think that anyone is going to be allowed to retire at 65 in thirty years time? Even 20 years? We are all living longer and there's a pension crisis as it is today.

Trust me, pension jealousy by anyone under the age of 45 is unwarranted... there won't be pensions in the future just loads of everyone's money put in the stock market to keep it going.

Moonbeam · 10-02-2010 4:43pm

"I am a low- to middle-ranking civil servant and I cannot afford these cuts to my remuneration.
I took out a mortgage on an apartment in Dublin in 2006 at a cost of €375,000"

low - middle ranking earner gets a 375k mortgage.
That is mad!!
I would expect someone getting a mortgage that huge to be earning over 90k a year.

He possibly lacks some basic common sense...

AMIIAM · 10-02-2010 5:05pm

Beardy, Get real. As long as the Irish public sector think they have a god given right to hold their fellow Irish taxpayers to ransom, they will be slated. And rightly so!

PeteSanchez · 10-02-2010 5:07pm

AMIIAM wrote: »

Beardy, Get real. As long as the Irish public sector think they have a god given right to hold their fellow Irish taxpayers to ransom, they will be slated. And rightly so!

its you who needs to get real mate :rolleyes:
been at the sunday red tops again have we?

Your attitude stinks.

Spare a thought for Barry

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