Any sick children, Nigeria? Send them here!

K-9

walshb wrote: »

Make excuses all you like; the fact is that to me, her agenda is damn well clear.

In fairness walshb, she probably knows a bit more about sickle-cell anaemia than you do. She'd probably have more info on the Nigerian Health system than you as well, though in fairness, that is SFA.

walshb

Barracudaincork wrote: »

+1

A little bit of tax money? That's great way to look at it. Don't mind that this case, like others, could cost a lot more than just a little bit of tax money.
I guess Pamela's case is also just a little bit of tax money?

walshb

K-9 wrote: »

In fairness walshb, she probably knows a bit more about sickle-cell anaemia than you do. She'd probably have more info on the Nigerian Health system than you as well, though in fairness, that is SFA.

I bloody hope so, but she overstepped the mark with that comment and proved to me as clear as day, that she is not impartial and that she has a clear agenda. SFA? I'm lost, sorry.

Barracudaincork

walshb wrote: »

A little bit of tax money? That's great way to look at it. Don't mind that this case, like others, could cost a lot more than just a little bit of tax money.
I guess Pamela's case is also just a little bit of tax money?

What more could it cost other than tax money? Food? Tshirts? Playstations? what exactly? Not a life surely, esp when the tax money has potentially saved one?

walshb

Barracudaincork wrote: »

saved one?

Would you stop at one? Maybe two, three, four; maybe all!

marcsignal

Just out of curiosity, i've only seen the child's mother on the news, but is the child's father in the country ? what's the position there ?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

goose2005 wrote: »

Because there are millions of sick people of whom you could say the same. She's not a citizen and the state owes her nothing.

She's a human being...


As per usual, the OP is blowing this case way out of proportion. You'd think Ireland is the only country in the world to take refugees, sick children and contributing to foreign aid... Typical :rolleyes:.

It's outright disgusting to think of casting away those in need just to better ones own life, while that life is like that of a king compared to those seeking simple neccessities in order to keep them alive. "They are using all the tax money on food and shelter, how can I afford my third home with all this extra tax..." boohoo...

Again, the op has attacked the people for seeking help instead of attacking the people who let our system be abused by non nationals.

Same auld, same auld...

Pherekydes

walshb wrote: »

Would you stop at one? Maybe two, three, four; maybe all!

Her case has nothing whatsoever to do with any other case involving Nigerians, or Africans generally, so stop trying to link them all together.

walshb

Josephine Loose Cucumber wrote: »

She's a human being...


As per usual, the OP is blowing this case way out of proportion. You'd think Ireland is the only country in the world to take refugees, sick children and contributing to foreign aid... Typical :rolleyes:.

It's outright disgusting to think of casting away those in need just to better ones own life, while that life is like that of a king compared to those seeking simple neccessities in order to keep them alive. "They are using all the tax money on food and shelter, how can I afford my third home with all this extra tax..." boohoo...

Again, the op has attacked the people for seeking help instead of attacking the people who let our system be abused by non nationals.

Same auld, same auld...

Ireland is not the only country to take refugees, why would you assume I think that?

We are also not the only country over run with chancers and bogus claimants.

I will give this family the benefit of the doubt for now, but I won't be the least bit surprised should her case be found out as hype and hysteria, not her illness, just the fact that Nigeria are incapable of treating their own people in their own country.

BTW, I think I have attacked those who are encouraging scam artists. RAR being one goup.

marcsignal

Pherekydes wrote: »

Her case has nothing whatsoever to do with any other case involving Nigerians, or Africans generally, so stop trying to link them all together.

You mean despite the fact that in the previous 2 high profile cases involving Rosanna Flynn and Nigerians, the people concerned (Kunlee & Pamela) have since proved to be unrepentant scammers? and are still here?

walshb wrote: »

BTW, I think I have attacked those who are encouraging scam artists. RAR being one goup.

I was actually going to say that in your defence walshb, but you beat me to it.

Like you, I'd like to know more of the facts involved in this case before I make up my mind.
In the meantime, I'm not going to simply take the word of Rosanna Flynn, who has proved herself to be nothing more than a sensationalist and a pathological liar in the past, and I'll apologise to nobody here for that.

HollyB

marcsignal wrote: »

]just as a matter of interest, did this child in question arrive here sick? or did she get sick in Ireland??
Can someone clarify this for me ?

Sickle cell disease is a genetic condition, so this girl would have had the condition from birth. She will also pass the gene to any children she might have in the future, so they'll be carriers or possibly have the condition themselves if their father is also a carrier or affected.

marcsignal wrote: »

well I guess if she became ill while she was living here, and as a normal part of the procedure, or because of some complications, her spleen was removed by an Irish doctor, in an Irish hospital, then I feel we do have some obligation for the current position she is in. That may well be grounds for granting her permission to stay, and tbh, I don't think I'd have a problem with that personally.

However, if she was already sick in Nigeria, and her parents travelled to Ireland with this knowledge, then that's an entirely different matter.

Unless you're suggesting that the complications resulted from negligence, I'm afraid that I don't see how Ireland could be said to have any obligation due to the position she is in. Even if she was diagnosed here, she didn't become ill while she was here, much less because she was here, her condition is genetic. If Irish doctors had refused to treat her when she was brought to them, and she'd died, they would have been responsible.

This is a difficult case because this girl's life is potentially in jeopardy but, at the same time, it would be foolish to ignore the can of worms we'd be opening if we set a precedent that having a medical condition that can be better treated in Ireland than in somebody's home country is grounds for leave to remain.

As walshb has pointed out, it would be wise to investigate the kind of medical support that would be available to this girl if she returns to Nigeria, taking her family's circumstances there into account - ie. if they are comfortably off in comparison to the majority of the population, they may have access to better medical care than the average Nigerian. If she can avail of treatment in Nigeria, then her condition should not be accepted as grounds for her being allowed to stay in Ireland, but if no treatment is available to her in Nigeria, it's a different story.

I wonder if it would be possible to have a compromise of sorts, allowing this girl, and her family, since she is a minor, to remain in Ireland and to avail of the necessary healthcare here but without setting a precedent that would result in illness being used as grounds to demand residency. What about allowing the family to remain in Ireland but on condition that they would not be entitled to any Social Welfare payments or supports, with the exception of a medical card for the little girl, and that they would not be eligible to apply for citizenship or permanent residency?

K-9 wrote: »

There you go, linking to the Pamela case again.

I can't say that I would be surprised if Pamela's case, not to mention the Kunle case, have made people less sympathetic to asylum cases than they might be under other circumstances.

In Pamela's case, while her story was initially believed by most, even those who did not believe that she merited asylum, the revelations about the forged documentation has been hugely damaging to her credibility. Where Kunle is concerned, the then Minister for Justice, mistakenly, in my opinion, yielded to pressure and allowed him to return to Ireland for six months to finish his Leaving Cert, only for Kunle to refuse to leave the country when his time expired - hardly surprising; he made it clear that he had no intention of leaving the country once he was allowed back in, despite the fact that his visa was only a temporary one.

walshb

BTW, the Pamela and Kunle cases are just two high profile cases that made the headlins; I am sure there are many other scam cases that don't make the headlines. I don't blame the seekers, it is we who tolerate the cheats.

marcsignal

Good post HollyB, it certainly clarifies some of the medical aspects in this case.
I wasn't however suggesting any medical negligence on the Doctors part, just to be clear on that.

HollyB

walshb wrote: »

BTW, the Pamela and Kunle cases are just two high profile cases that made the headlins; I am sure there are many other scam cases that don't make the headlines. I don't blame the seekers, it is we who tolerate the cheats.

I blame the asylum seekers who make fradulent claims, who refuse to comply with deportation orders once one is issued - lodging an appeal and getting an injunction against their deportation order is one thing, absconding is another matter altogether. They bear part of the responsibility, although those who encourage and assist their attempts to manipulate a system put into place to help those who are genuinely in need of protection are also to blame.

walshb

HollyB wrote: »

I blame the asylum seekers who make fradulent claims, who refuse to comply with deportation orders once one is issued - lodging an appeal and getting their deportation suspended is one thing, absconding is another matter altogether. They bear part of the responsibility, although those who encourage and assist their attempts to manipulate a system put into place to help those who are genuinely in need of protection are also to blame.

I see what you mean, I just feel that the bogus cheats being encouraged is the BIG problem. The legal eagles making heaps of money, the ego trippers sponsoring the chancers and all those associated with it. I mean, they are only getting away with what we allow. I cant balme them for wanting to stay, but I do blame us for sponsoring it.

HollyB

walshb wrote: »

I see what you mean, I just feel that the bogus cheats being encouraged is the BIG problem. The legal eagles making heaps of money, the ego trippers sponsoring the chancers and all those associated with it. I mean, they are only getting away with what we allow. I cant balme them for wanting to stay, but I do blame us for sponsoring it.

Our system needs an overhaul. It shouldn't take so long to reach a decision, and appeals should be something for exceptional circumstances, not a delaying tactic. It would be naive to suggest that Ireland's relatively generous social welfare provisions have nothing to do with the number of asylum seekers who apply here - let's face it, there are easier countries to reach, so I can only conclude that somebody who makes the decision to come to Ireland rather than to a country they can access via direct flights will have to have a motive for doing so.

I find the idea of special treatment being granted because of public campaigns repugnant - was Kunle more deserving of permission to remain in Ireland than other Nigerians who were deported with him because he had a gang of people who were willing to throw tantrums on his behalf? - so my tolerance for the campaigns insisting that a certain case is "exceptional" and a "once-off" and should therefore not be subject to the usual rules is not high, especially when it's a safe bet that, if they get their way with one case, you won't have to wait long for the next "exceptional", "once-off" case.

walshb

HollyB wrote: »

Our system needs an overhaul. It shouldn't take so long to reach a decision, and appeals should be something for exceptional circumstances, not a delaying tactic. It would be naive to suggest that Ireland's relatively social welfare provisions have nothing to do with the number of asylum seekers who apply here - let's face it, there are easier countries to reach, so I can only conclude that somebody who makes the decision to come to Ireland rather than to a country they can access via direct flights will have to have a motive for doing so.

I find the idea of special treatment being granted because of public campaigns repugnant - was Kunle more deserving of permission to remain in Ireland than other Nigerians who were deported with him because he had a gang of people who were willing to throw tantrums on his behalf? - so my tolerance for the campaigns insisting that a certain case is "exceptional" and a "once-off" and should therefore not be subject to the usual rules is not high, especially when it's a safe bet that, if they get their way with one case, you won't have to wait long for the next "exceptional", "once-off" case.

Yeah, every case is a "once off." Maybe they are coming over here for the weather?;) Really, I hate to see the children being used as pawns, now, in this instnace, the child is being used as a bargaining tool. What needs to be established, and quickly, is whether or not the child will be treated effectively should she return home.

marcsignal

HollyB wrote: »

Our system needs an overhaul. It shouldn't take so long to reach a decision, and appeals should be something for exceptional circumstances, not a delaying tactic. It would be naive to suggest that Ireland's relatively social welfare provisions have nothing to do with the number of asylum seekers who apply here - let's face it, there are easier countries to reach, so I can only conclude that somebody who makes the decision to come to Ireland rather than to a country they can access via direct flights will have to have a motive for doing so.

I find the idea of special treatment being granted because of public campaigns repugnant - was Kunle more deserving of permission to remain in Ireland than other Nigerians who were deported with him because he had a gang of people who were willing to throw tantrums on his behalf? - so my tolerance for the campaigns insisting that a certain case is "exceptional" and a "once-off" and should therefore not be subject to the usual rules is not high, especially when it's a safe bet that, if they get their way with one case, you won't have to wait long for the next "exceptional", "once-off" case.

+1 and eloquently put if I may say so :cool:

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HollyB

walshb wrote: »

Yeah, every case is a "once off." Maybe they are coming over here for the weather?;) Really, I hate to see the children being used as pawns, now, in this instnace, the child is being used as a bargaining tool. What needs to be established, and quickly, is whether or not the child will be treated effectively should she return home.

The only way to stop children being used as pawns is not to allow it.

If people know that, should they come to Ireland, make a bogus claim for asylum and manipulate the system to allow them to delay their deportation for years before they run out of cards to play, only to turn around and insist that their children have lived in Ireland for years, attended Irish schools, have Irish friends, etc, and that it would be cruel to remove them now that they're integrated, this tactic will work, they'll use it.

Same with the case of the Nigerian mother who was deported without her son and who has refused all attempts to reunite her with her child in Nigeria. If leaving the child in Ireland, perhaps in hiding with a friend or sympathizer, and refusing to cooperate with attempts to reunite the child with his or her parents is allowed to lead to the parents being allowed to have their way and return to live in Ireland, there'll be more cases of children who are left behind and whose parents refuse to be reunited with them in Nigeria, demanding that they should be allowed to live in Ireland instead.

If this child can be treated in Nigeria - and I'm not about to take the word of RAR or their ilk if they claim that she cannot; the Department of Justice should investigate the matter themselves - then she and her family should be deported. If not, I don't have a problem with them staying, although I do think that safeguards like ensuring that their leave to remain is on the condition that they are not eligible for social welfare, should be put in place.

HollyB

marcsignal wrote: »

+1 and eloquently put if I may say so :cool:

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Thank you.

walshb

HollyB wrote: »

The only way to stop children being used as pawns is not to allow it.

Exactly. We allow it. They try it, use it, and we allow it and support it.
I don't blame them for trying it near as much as I blame us for swallowing it
and allowing it. If I was desperate to remain in a country like Ireland where
you are well looked after as regards hand outs and shelter etc, then I would try any red herring to remain.

karma_

I absolutely despise the notion that a sick kid cannot be treated and is used as an anti-immigration argument.

The kid should be treated not because we can but because it is the right thing to do. If there is a facility and a will to help in any way whatsoever then it should be done.

And yes, why not if there are any more sick kids in Nigeria and we can help then I ask myself are we not doing it already? Why stop at Nigeria?

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

As far as I am aware, the doctor JUST diagnosed the disease. That's all. That doctor is NOT qualified on Nigeria, and their environment, just like the RAR aren't.

I'm sure they've access to the survival rate vis a vis the particular condition in Nigeria. However don't let that in any way impede your one man rant against a 5 year old with a serious medical condition and a number of persons peripheral to the matter at hand.

HollyB

walshb wrote: »

Exactly. We allow it. They try it, use it, and we allow it and support it.
I don't blame them for trying it near as much as I blame us for swallowing it
and allowing it. If I was desperate to remain in a country like Ireland where
you are well looked after as regards hand outs and shelter etc, then I would try any red herring to remain.

In some cases, I think that lack of foresight is a problem for the Department of Justice - that, or they foresee problems but don't think of solutions in advance. Without clear rules set out, the door is left wide open for claims that a particular "exceptional" case merits special treatment.

With the Kunle case, there should have been a decision made in advance about whether deportation orders would be delayed for students who were due to take the Leaving Cert or the Junior Cert that year so that the Minister would be able to decide, before the first deportation, whether or not the upcoming exam should be factored into the equation and then either deport Kunle or allow him to stay, not committing to one decision and then back-tracking.

With the case of the mother refusing to be reunited with her child, there should be a contingency plan for events like that, so that when a foreign national child is effectively abandoned in Ireland, the Irish authorities can liaise with the authorities in the child's country of origin so that he or she can be placed in the care of that country's child services.

sdanseo

I'm a bit disgusted with anyone who would support deporting her. She clearly did not make the choice to come here in the first place, but her parents or guardians did. It's not her fault and she should be treated accordingly.

If she were a normal little girl with no health problems then yes, she sohould be sent back. Otherwise, we are in a fortunate position of being able to help and we should do so once it does not adversely affect an Irish citizen in any way.

walshb

Nodin wrote: »

I'm sure they've access to the survival rate vis a vis the particular condition in Nigeria. However don't let that in any way impede your one man rant against a 5 year old with a serious medical condition and a number of persons peripheral to the matter at hand.

One man rant? No, me thinks not.

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

One man rant? No, me thinks not.

Alas, you are correct there.

walshb

karma_ wrote: »

I absolutely despise the notion that a sick kid cannot be treated and is used as an anti-immigration argument.

The kid should be treated not because we can but because it is the right thing to do. If there is a facility and a will to help in any way whatsoever then it should be done.

And yes, why not if there are any more sick kids in Nigeria and we can help then I ask myself are we not doing it already? Why stop at Nigeria?

Exactly, like I said, why not adopt Nigeria, throw in Ghana, Senegal, Somalia, ah sure why not make it the continent of Africa?

walshb

sdonn wrote: »

I'm a bit disgusted with anyone who would support deporting her. She clearly did not make the choice to come here in the first place, but her parents or guardians did. It's not her fault and she should be treated accordingly.

If she were a normal little girl with no health problems then yes, she sohould be sent back. Otherwise, we are in a fortunate position of being able to help and we should do so once it does not adversely affect an Irish citizen in any way.

I'd support deporting her IF it's shown that the Nigerians are more than capable of dealing with the issue, if not, then treat her here.

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

Exactly, like I said, why not adopt Nigeria, throw in Ghana, Senegal, Somalia, ah sure why not make it the continent of Africa?

.....argumentum ab absurdum....

karma_

walshb wrote: »

Exactly, like I said, why not adopt Nigeria, throw in Ghana, Senegal, Somalia, ah sure why not make it the continent of Africa?

You sound like a national socialist, seriously. We will help a sick child, as long as it's an Irish sick child. The important things are as follows;

a) she is a kid
b) she is sick

End of debate in my eyes. It would be a cruel and unusual punishment to send this kid back to Nigeria untreated.

HollyB

walshb wrote: »

Exactly, like I said, why not adopt Nigeria, throw in Ghana, Senegal, Somalia, ah sure why not make it the continent of Africa?

Perhaps the best start would be not to take their doctors from them. Train more doctors in Ireland so that we don't need to recruit from countries who need the doctors they train to practice medicine there.

mike kelly wrote: »

According to Wikipedia

"The Nigerian health care system is continuously faced with a shortage of doctors known as 'brain drain' due to the fact that many highly skilled Nigerian doctors emigrate to North America and Europe. In 1995, It was estimated that 21,000 Nigerian doctors were practicing in the United States alone, which about the same as the number of doctors working in the Nigerian public service. Retaining these expensively trained professionals has been identified as one of the goals of the government."

HollyB

karma_ wrote: »

It would be a cruel and unusual punishment to send this kid back to Nigeria untreated.

It's already been suggested that the question of whether or not she can be treated in Nigeria should be looked into.

karma_

HollyB wrote: »

It's already been suggested that the question of whether or not she can be treated in Nigeria should be looked into.

Sure, let's form a panel who can spend six months to a year investigating if Nigeria can treat this kid and spend a few million quid on it.

or...

we could treat her.

HollyB

karma_ wrote: »

Sure, let's form a panel who can spend six months to a year investigating if Nigeria can treat this kid and spend a few million quid on it.

or...

we could treat her.

I was thinking of the long-term view. This child isn't going to be the only one who is sick, or even the only one with her particular condition. Even if this child is allowed to remain without further investigation, it would still be helpful to know what kind of limitations the Nigerian healthcare system has so that, with future cases, we can know when somebody should be allowed to stay in Ireland and when they would be able to access suitable treatment in Nigeria.

walshb

karma_ wrote: »

Sure, let's form a panel who can spend six months to a year investigating if Nigeria can treat this kid and spend a few million quid on it.

or...

we could treat her.

Yeah, I agree, but what about after the treatment? Then what?
Should we seek to adopt any child living in a Malaria zone who is at risk
of death?

BTW, just because I am skeptical of the RAR and its claims about Nigeria NOT
being able to treat this child doesn't make me a National Socialist, seriously, get a grip

Spook_ie

let me tell you a story.......I have a 10 yr old child who has been getting increasingly sick over the last 8 months, weight loss, anaemia, diahorrea, stomach pains, joint pains etc......we found out just before christmas after yet another lot of blood tests that he has tested positive for coeliac disease which is an auto immune disease.....great....we have a cause.....now we just have to have a duodenal/jejunum biopsy preformed and yippeee we can start the special diet & food supplements that he needs.....thank god......letter comes in the door from Crumlin hospital......biopsy date is 21st March 2011....... I feel sick.....why dont we see sensational newspaper headlines about Irish kids......I'm sorry as I know this doesnt really relate to the op but are there people out there who will fight for all the children on waiting lists here ?? I am so depressed that I will have to watch my kid being ill for the next 14 months....sorry kid....you're just not newsworthy enough...........

Tchaikovsky

Barracudaincork wrote: »

I have seen many many acts of racism in this country but unlike some I wont tar everyone from the same country with the same brush! ie i wont say all Nigerian Asylum seekers are bogus, just cause some may be and i wont say Ireland is racist, just cause some may be.

What exactly is an 'act of racism'?
If it was anything but a physical attack on another person, then they are, after all, free not to feel offended.

walshb

Spook_ie wrote: »

let me tell you a story.......I have a 10 yr old child who has been getting increasingly sick over the last 8 months, weight loss, anaemia, diahorrea, stomach pains, joint pains etc......we found out just before christmas after yet another lot of blood tests that he has tested positive for coeliac disease which is an auto immune disease.....great....we have a cause.....now we just have to have a duodenal/jejunum biopsy preformed and yippeee we can start the special diet & food supplements that he needs.....thank god......letter comes in the door from Crumlin hospital......biopsy date is 21st March 2011....... I feel sick.....why dont we see sensational newspaper headlines about Irish kids......I'm sorry as I know this doesnt really relate to the op but are there people out there who will fight for all the children on waiting lists here ?? I am so depressed that I will have to watch my kid being ill for the next 14 months....sorry kid....you're just not newsworthy enough...........

It's a despicable state of affairs, and I know you aren't in an way blaming foreigners here, but the fact is that if your child arrived on these shores form wherever, and had the RAR or some othe ego tripping group on side, then your child would want for nothing. Top priority, no such thing as a waiting list

karma_

Spook_ie wrote: »

let me tell you a story.......I have a 10 yr old child who has been getting increasingly sick over the last 8 months, weight loss, anaemia, diahorrea, stomach pains, joint pains etc......we found out just before christmas after yet another lot of blood tests that he has tested positive for coeliac disease which is an auto immune disease.....great....we have a cause.....now we just have to have a duodenal/jejunum biopsy preformed and yippeee we can start the special diet & food supplements that he needs.....thank god......letter comes in the door from Crumlin hospital......biopsy date is 21st March 2011....... I feel sick.....why dont we see sensational newspaper headlines about Irish kids......I'm sorry as I know this doesnt really relate to the op but are there people out there who will fight for all the children on waiting lists here ?? I am so depressed that I will have to watch my kid being ill for the next 14 months....sorry kid....you're just not newsworthy enough...........

I'm sorry for your kid I really am and I hope he gets the treatment he needs and makes a full recovery. However, the rightwing nutjobs who make this an issue have no vested interest in the treatment of kids, what offends them is immigration.

walshb

karma_ wrote: »

them is immigration.

No, illegal imigration, chancers, spongers and scam artists. Don't be making out that just because folks have isues with THIS, that they are nutjobs. It is this attitude that is nutty.

mike kelly

sdonn wrote: »

I'm a bit disgusted with anyone who would support deporting her. She clearly did not make the choice to come here in the first place, but her parents or guardians did. It's not her fault and she should be treated accordingly.

If she were a normal little girl with no health problems then yes, she sohould be sent back. Otherwise, we are in a fortunate position of being able to help and we should do so once it does not adversely affect an Irish citizen in any way.

of course it adversely affects us. we have to pay welfare for her and her family.

marcsignal

karma_ wrote: »

I absolutely despise the notion that a sick kid cannot be treated and is used as an anti-immigration argument.

and I equally despise, and find it repugnant in fact, that, for example, in Pamela's case, she was, and still is, willing to use her own 2 daughters as pawns in her efforts to circumvent our immigration/asylum laws. A story that has since turned out to be a very expensive tissue of lies, paid for by the Irish tax payer.

karma_ wrote: »

The kid should be treated not because we can but because it is the right thing to do. If there is a facility and a will to help in any way whatsoever then it should be done.

The kid in this case is getting treatment, is she not? nobody is denying her treatment. The arguement here is based on whether a genetic illness should be grounds for granting someone a right to stay in the country.

karma_ wrote: »

And yes, why not if there are any more sick kids in Nigeria and we can help then I ask myself are we not doing it already? Why stop at Nigeria?

Africa is already full of Irish people doing their bit to help sick and disadvantaged childern, ever heard of GOAL, Concern ??
Unless of course you just want to transport them all here ? in that case, where do you propose finding the money to house, feed, educate, and treat them for their illnesses?? as well as providing similar support for their siblings and parents. I'm sorry to say, but your moral aspirations for the Irish people are bordering on the fantasistic. Down here on planet earth, in the real world, these things cost a lot of money, money that in the present climate, we simply do not have.

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

It's a despicable state of affairs, and I know you aren't in an way blaming foreigners here, but the fact is that if your child arrived on these shores form wherever, and had the RAR or some othe ego tripping group on side, then your child would want for nothing. Top priority, no such thing as a waiting list

In your opinion. Which doesn't thankfully reflect reality that often, particularily on issues related to Africa and immigration. And now sick 5 year olds.

donkey balls

we should'nt give in to these people(RAR&others) we have an aslyum process in place which is fair,if you have a look at Austrialia they have taken asylum seekers in from the likes of Chile+Lebanon & other countries over the years.
you go through their process if you fail(your on the next flight home) none of these countless court appeals, i dont have a problem with asylum seekers coming to our country with legit reasons.(persecution etc).
and speaking from personal experience i had to nigerian employees who came here as asylum seekers yet they went back to there country every year for a holiday,i know if was fleeing my country i would'nt be heading back on a holiday.

walshb

marcsignal wrote: »

Africa is already full of Irish people doing their bit to help sick and disadvantaged childern, ever heard of GOAL, Concern ??
Unless of course you just want to transport them all here ? in that case, where do you propose finding the money to house, feed, educate, and treat them for their illnesses?? as well as providing similar support for their siblings and parents. I'm sorry to say, but your moral aspirations for the Irish people are bordering on the fantasistic. Down here on planet earth, in the real world, these things cost a lot of money, money that in the present climate, we simply do not have.

Hey, don't be giving any ideas. You know, if some of these do gooders had their way, they'd be evicting us and shipping us off to Africa so they could move in the Africans here.

greendom

I shouldn't read this type of thread. Find it very depressing that people can be so mean-spirited

Tchaikovsky

walshb wrote: »

Hey, don't be giving any ideas. You know, if some of these do gooders had their way, they'd be evicting us and shipping us off to Africa so they could move in the Africans here.

But then we'd have the great weather and they'd have the year-long pissy rain!

walshb

greendom wrote: »

I shouldn't read this type of thread. Find it very depressing that people can be so mean-spirited

You think immigration control is mean spirited or this particular case in general?

Nodin

walshb wrote: »

Hey, don't be giving any ideas. You know, if some of these do gooders had their way, they'd be evicting us and shipping us off to Africa so they could move in the Africans here.

....have I wandered into some absurdist piece of performance art here?