SSN: Reports Terry dropped as captain

Johner

The right decision has been made but Rio? Really?

CHD

My argument is you are a sad bunch jumping on this, because you are jumping on this because he is John Terry. That is sad and you keep proving me right with all of your posts going on like you care about the England dressing room and his family.

I am right so you's say my argument is piss poor or I'm going in circles when I'm not.

Also Headshot, Try posting on the issue instead of thanking posts that are anti me. You can do it.

Going training now so will leave you all to your Terry bashing.

CHD

Jazzy wrote: »

is my 'hot air' (another example of just sticking words in a post to sound good) making you look wrong? do you not have a good counter arguement?

you sound like your backed into a corner now. you barely even know what to say, your not even attempting to create a good point. give it up

I hav made my point but you just answer with the same crap, pretty pointless us going back and forth I think you will agree

Mitch Connor

CHD, fact is if he had just had an affair with some random bird I would not care. I dont particularly care anyway. However, the affair he had could impact his leadership of players he is supposed to be led and reapected. People aren't saying he should be stripped of the chelsea captaincy, or dropped. Just that he should be stripped of the england captaincy, the captaincy affected by what he has done.

You are trying to make peoples arguments more, or different, than they are in yourutterly blind defence terry.

Le King

How can a leader lead the team if he has lost respect of his team mates? He can't. The fact of the matter is, Wayne Bridge, on the law of averages still would have a lot of friends that fall into the Chelsea and England camp. He's obviously lost a bit of respect and I'm sure Capello has talked to his players about this. Capello is a fair man, and despite my lust for England to crash and burn at the WC, Capello has made the right decision.

Jazzy

CHD wrote: »

My argument is you are a sad bunch jumping on this, because you are jumping on this because he is John Terry.

and you are f**king right we are. it has nothing to do with chelsea (as you keep insisting but again, were proved wrong about), its to do with John Terry. the man is being put the sh1t grinder and rightfully so.
your smug "sad" and "pathetic" comments do nothing here but serve to highlight delusion. you are only defending him so much because he IS chelsea captain and 'Mr. Chelsea'.

each time you have come up with a point its been almost immediatly disproved:
*the 'only because hes Mr. Chelsea' one - disproved by Daysha
*the 'A-List celebrity' one - disproved by ntlbell & one mr T.Woods
*the 'what about every other cheating footballer' one - disproved again by ntlbell
*the 'sad and pathetic' one - disproved by the fact that what Terry did is sad and pathetic and ppl bashing him for CHEATING ON HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN WITH HIS MATES EX sorta puts into context what really is sad and pathetic. people voicing their disapproval of retarded, dickhead behavior is not sad and pathetic, no matter what words you vainly attempt to use or how you dress it up

Headshot

CHD wrote: »

My argument is you are a sad bunch jumping on this, because you are jumping on this because he is John Terry. That is sad and you keep proving me right with all of your posts going on like you care about the England dressing room and his family.

I am right so you's say my argument is piss poor or I'm going in circles when I'm not.

Also Headshot, Try posting on the issue instead of thanking posts that are anti me. You can do it.

Going training now so will leave you all to your Terry bashing.

I thank posts because they are right

im not you CHD thanking your brother in the man utd thread all the time
grow up lad (your bloody 1 ups get really tiring)

I do care about the England dressing room because I want to see them win the WC

btw jazzy posts have been on the ball

CHD

Headshot wrote: »

I thank posts because they are right

im not you CHD thanking your brother in the man utd thread all the time
grow up lad

I do care about the England dressing room because I want to see them win the WC

btw jazzy posts have been on the ball

Who is my brother?

sprinkles

Johner wrote: »

The right decision has been made but Rio? Really?

I think given the choices it was the right decision. Maybe Stevie G but definitely one of the 2 of them. I would have loved to see Rooney get it but it's probably better not to weigh him down with the responsibility and let him get on with scoring goals. He will be captain one day though.... after the next Euros.

Le King

sprinkles wrote: »

I think given the choices it was the right decision. Maybe Stevie G but definitely one of the 2 of them. I would have loved to see Rooney get it but it's probably better not to weigh him down with the responsibility and let him get on with scoring goals. He will be captain one day though.... after the next Euros.

From my understanding of Steven Gerrard is that he prefers his non-captain role in the England set-up. I've read that a couple of times before. Might be wrong though.

Headshot

CHD wrote: »

Who is my brother?

ill let ya guess that

pretty obvious tbh

Johner

sprinkles wrote: »

I think given the choices it was the right decision. Maybe Stevie G but definitely one of the 2 of them. I would have loved to see Rooney get it but it's probably better not to weigh him down with the responsibility and let him get on with scoring goals. He will be captain one day though.... after the next Euros.

Probably should have been Gerrard,Lampard or Barry. Rooney's time will come.

IvySlayer

Should Avram Grant resign as manager of Pompey because of his private life? Don't see that bandwagon tbh.

Football is football, if it does affect the dressing room then he should be dropped imo.

sprinkles

IvySlayer wrote: »

Should Avram Grant resign as manager of Pompey because of his private life? Don't see that bandwagon tbh.

Football is football, if it does affect the dressing room then he should be dropped imo.

I can't see how this could not effect the dressing room. I don't think Capello would have dropped him if he had cheated with a random bird (like he's done in the past). It was a decision based on the team - with players coming out wearing team bridge shirts it shows that this has turned a lot of players against Terry - albeit no England players have so far donned these yet afaik.

Rekop dog

Can't wait for the new series of Rio's world cup wind ups now. JT iz going to be well merked!

IvySlayer

sprinkles wrote: »

I can't see how this could not effect the dressing room. I don't think Capello would have dropped him if he had cheated with a random bird (like he's done in the past). It was a decision based on the team - with players coming out wearing team bridge shirts it shows that this has turned a lot of players against Terry - albeit no England players have so far donned these yet afaik.

I honestly believe Capello dropped him because of the media hype. Whether it was the correct course of action, we shall see.

CHD

Headshot wrote: »

ill let ya guess that

pretty obvious tbh

No, really dunno.

super_furry

IvySlayer wrote: »

Should Avram Grant resign as manager of Pompey because of his private life? Don't see that bandwagon tbh.

Football is football, if it does affect the dressing room then he should be dropped imo.

How could it not affect the dressing room when it was the mother of a team-mates' child that he's banging? If Capello doesn't make the decision, he loses Wayne Bridge for good and I dare say Terry has already lost the respect of most people in the England squad.

Eire-Dearg

IvySlayer wrote: »

Should Avram Grant resign as manager of Pompey because of his private life? Don't see that bandwagon tbh.

Football is football, if it does affect the dressing room then he should be dropped imo.

A new manager getting caught in a brothel will never have the same effect on the dressing room as a teammate cheating on another teammate's wife ... let alone the captain.

The Pompey players were probably laughing their hats off that he managed to get caught in a brothel.

IvySlayer

super_furry wrote: »

How could it not affect the dressing room when it was the mother of a team-mates' child that he's banging?

People were predicting earthquakes at Stamford Bridge over this...nothing. Who knows what might have happened between JT and Bridge.

It's obviously the media/preventive measure by Capello. Right one? Who knows. JT is still going to be the dressing room.

IvySlayer

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

A new manager getting caught in a brothel will never have the same effect on the dressing room as a teammate cheating on another teammate's wife ... let alone the captain.

The Pompey players were probably laughing their hats off that he managed to get caught in a brothel.

Heh.

If it was a high profile manager, say someone who is currently managing a top 4, I can imagine the hype would be massive. Also JT kind of puts Avram out of the picture :pac:

Imagine it it was the captain of.....birmingham. Who would care? Or the captain of Wales?

sprinkles

IvySlayer wrote: »

People were predicting earthquakes at Stamford Bridge over this...nothing. Who knows what might have happened between JT and Bridge.

It's obviously the media/preventive measure by Capello. Right one? Who knows. JT is still going to be the dressing room.

He might still be there alright but he's not going to be the one giving the rousing speach post along with the manager. The thing is half the dressing room would not be listening to him. There's a couple of good articles on the Guardian about how the Italians are bemused at the whole media circus around this and lets not forget all the managers involved in this are Italian. Capello in particular has refused in the past to let moral issues cloud his footballing decisions so I really doubt he let the media influence him this time.

RandolphEsq

Eire-Dearg wrote: »

A new manager getting caught in a brothel will never have the same effect on the dressing room as a teammate cheating on another teammate's wife ... let alone the captain.

The Pompey players were probably laughing their hats off that he managed to get caught in a brothel.

Wayne Bridge is not involved in this. He was not with the girl at the time when Terry slept with her. The media have brought Wayne Bridge into this to stir it up as an England team crisis. It is completely ludicrous!

Nemanja91

If Ashley cole gets injured and wayne bridge comes in at left back in the world cup it will be pure awkward, but funny.

sprinkles

RandolphEsq wrote: »

Wayne Bridge is not involved in this. He was not with the girl at the time when Terry slept with her. The media have brought Wayne Bridge into this to stir it up as an England team crisis. It is completely ludicrous!

Eh, while he's wasn't involved in the bed room antics but he's most definitely an interested party - media or no media. If I were in his position I would be pretty pissed off, especially considering it was my friend/captain and the girl happened to be the mother of my child. Given that they are both going to represent England at the WC then I think it's legitimate to consider him involved.

karma_

RandolphEsq wrote: »

Wayne Bridge is not involved in this. He was not with the girl at the time when Terry slept with her. The media have brought Wayne Bridge into this to stir it up as an England team crisis. It is completely ludicrous!

ahh now, they were probably separated less than a month, and she is the father of his kid and the 2 players were good friends.

Reganio 2

RandolphEsq wrote: »

Wayne Bridge is not involved in this. He was not with the girl at the time when Terry slept with her. The media have brought Wayne Bridge into this to stir it up as an England team crisis. It is completely ludicrous!

Oh yeah it just happens to be the mother of his kid. It has nothing at all to do with Wayne Bridge

Johner

Like I said the right decision has been made but is Rio honeslty the right choice? He's no angel himself.

- Missed the drugs test
- Caught drunk driving/lots of driving bans
- Called some one a ****** on the radio

I suppose it doesn't effect the dressing room though so is that were the line is drawn? As long as it doesn't effect the dressing room it's ok? Genuine question as to what people think.

karma_

Johner wrote: »

Like I said the right decision has been made but is Rio honeslty the right choice? He's no angel himself.

- Missed the drugs test
- Caught drunk driving/lots of driving bans
- Called some one a ****** on the radio

I suppose it doesn't effect the dressing room though so is that were the line is drawn? As long as it doesn't effect the dressing room it's ok? Genuine question as to what people think.

I agree. Then you have to ask why was Ferdinand even vice-captain in the first place.

Jazzy

Johner wrote: »

- Called some one a ****** on the radio

id want that quality in a captain tbh

Johner

Jazzy wrote: »

id want that quality in a captain tbh

What someone who can slag gay people? Good lad yourself.

noodler

I could have sworn Gerrard was vice-captain.

noodler

Johner wrote: »

What someone who can slag gay people? Good lad yourself.

You must have forgotten to mention that in your first post :rolleyes:

Johner

Yeah I forgot who he called a ****** thought it was the radio presenter but just looked it up there and it was some gay rights person.

Jazzy

Johner wrote: »

What someone who can slag gay people? Good lad yourself.

hard to tell what ******* is ya see. i thought ya meant he was calling someone a f**ker in that robbie savage-esque way. that would show hes willing to speak his mind and is passionate, something id want

Johner

Yeah sorry should have made it clearer.

I always thought Gerrard was vice-captain as well for some reason.

eagle eye

I know Ferdinand was appointed the Captain today but is that permamant? I think Frank Lampard should be the man. You need a player who is widely respected in the media and who the players respect. I think he is the outstanding candidate.

And what about Bridge, will he go to the World Cup?
I don't think he will, his place in it has to be under threat with yet another injury prone season and now this thing. Ashley Cole, Stephen Warnock and Leighton Baines would be the three favourites imo, personally I think you take two and Luke Young who is top notch cover on both sides and leaves the manager with an extra spot.

kleefarr

Making Ferdinand captain is a joke. Especially as he is currently banned for violent conduct. Also the past drugs episode.
Not the man for Captain or Vice Captain in my book. Anyone else would have been better.

d22ontour

Headshot wrote: »

ill let ya guess that

pretty obvious tbh

I thought it was the same person with multiple personalities tbh. :pac:

Boggles

kleefarr wrote: »

Making Ferdinand captain is a joke. Especially as he is currently banned for violent conduct. Also the past drugs episode.
Not the man for Captain or Vice Captain in my book. Anyone else would have been better.

There was never a drugs episode.

He is vice captain of Man United.

How is it a joke?

kleefarr

Boggles wrote: »

There was never a drugs episode.

He is vice captain of Man United.

How is it a joke?

Oh yeah, sorry. I forgot, he just forgot to go for the drug test.

He's a joke in my opinion.

Boggles

kleefarr wrote: »

Oh yeah, sorry. I forgot, he just forgot to go for the drug test.

Well thats alot different to a "drugs episode" isn't it?

kleefarr wrote: »

He's a joke in my opinion.

But your not giving your a opinion, you just citing wrong information and repeating the word "joke".

Warper

Boggles wrote: »

There was never a drugs episode.

He is vice captain of Man United.

How is it a joke?

There was a never a drugs episode?? How can people say that - are you actually serious or just in denial. What was that 8 month suspension for then? He failed to turn up for a compulsory drug test that he knew about. Now if that isnt guilty I dont know what is. Why do you think he got an 8 month ban? It is the same thing as a drunken driver refusing to take a breath or urine test. It doesnt make them innocent. But you can go on believing there never was a drug episode if it makes you feel better while the rest of the world can see the truth.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

There was never a drugs episode.

Good work

Given Ferdinand being a bit of a sick note I think that there's value in Gerrard (9/1) or Rooney (16/1) being England captain on June 12th

sprinkles

kleefarr wrote: »

Making Ferdinand captain is a joke. Especially as he is currently banned for violent conduct. Also the past drugs episode.
Not the man for Captain or Vice Captain in my book. Anyone else would have been better.

Anyone? Really? Ashley Cole? I don't think so.

Anyway, I think Rio is a great choice. He commands the defense well and is very cool and collected when speaking to the media (in most cases). I think he will take the job very serious and prove to be a good choice. I wonder how him and Terry will get on.

I don't think off the pitch behavior should come into the discussion about choosing a captain unless it somehow effects the team morale (ala JT). For example, Roy Keane was a great captain and constantly shouted his mouth off in the press, it was only when he voiced his opinion about the players publicly that he ran into any trouble and rightfully so.

kleefarr

sprinkles wrote: »

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I don't think off the pitch behavior should come into the discussion about choosing a captain ...

So what happens on the pitch shouldn't be taken into consideration (it was during a match,the violence), but what happens off the pitch in someone's private life should?

Sounds arse about face to me.

Bubs101

sprinkles wrote: »

Anyway, I think Rio is a great choice. He commands the defense well and is very cool and collected when speaking to the media (in most cases). I think he will take the job very serious and prove to be a good choice. I wonder how him and Terry will get on.

.

Has Rio ever commanded a defence before. Surely Vidic and Neville do that at United and he's not getting a word in edgewise if he's playing alongside Terry. I mean making him captain is redundant because JT will just assume control anyway

sprinkles

kleefarr wrote: »

So what happens on the pitch shouldn't be taken into consideration (it was during a match,the violence), but what happens off the pitch in someone's private life should?

Sounds arse about face to me.

Eh what? Read my post again. I never said what happen on the pitch should be ignored - that's pretty much all that should be considered as I mentioned above.

Boggles

Warper wrote: »

There was a never a drugs episode?? How can people say that - are you actually serious or just in denial. What was that 8 month suspension for then? He failed to turn up for a compulsory drug test that he knew about. Now if that isnt guilty I dont know what is. Why do you think he got an 8 month ban? It is the same thing as a drunken driver refusing to take a breath or urine test. It doesnt make them innocent. But you can go on believing there never was a drug episode if it makes you feel better while the rest of the world can see the truth.

The FA agreed he didn't delibertly miss the drugs test, if they han he would have got 2 years.

You have proof he took drugs or your talking out of your pipe?