Are Jay-Z, Beyonce and Rihanna devil worshippers??

nickatnoon61

yekahS wrote: »

I was more referring to the sexual themes and imagery in the video than the illuminating reference. Personally, I don't have a huge problem, as i think society as a whole is too prudish in the first place. However, it is fairly explicit stuff for teenagers viewing? I guess thats what the producers want, a bit of controvery and discussion.

What they want is to spread FILTH any way they can, and everywhere they can. They want to turn our children into whores at a very young age. It is working splendidly, No?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7LsVoraJPo&feature=related
Here is Britney, another MK Ultra mind controlled sex slave whose mind has been shattered into many personalities/alters. Check esp. at 5:10 to see the personality switch for your own eyes. Sawyer triggers her with hand signals/movements.

kryogen

Or its possible that the video is poking fun at the rumours and speculation and general internet talk about Rihanna, "illuminati princess" "Whore" etc....

nickatnoon61

kryogen wrote: »

Or its possible that the video is poking fun at the rumours and speculation and general internet talk about Rihanna, "illuminati princess" "Whore" etc....

This is entirely possible b/c these satanic sickos look at the general population as useless eaters, and something to be played with/used/abused, and then thrown away like a piece of garbage.

kryogen

Surprised nobody has added Jessie J to this list yet

DonalK1981

uprising2 wrote: »

From what you understand of the freemasons is what your supposed to understand, they must believe in a supreme being, who it is doesnt matter, be it lucifer,baal, satan.

Look deeper and you will be surprised, look at famous freemasons, who built washington dc and placed a giant pentagram into the layout, who built the statue of liberty, the founding fathers of usa, it's all about deceit and double meaning, dark is light and light is dark.

And I am NOT a freemason.;)

Wasn't that a gift from France?

Torakx

DonalK1981 wrote: »

Wasn't that a gift from France?

Up to you to decide that for yourself

http://www.truth-it.net/statue_of_liberty_facts.html

http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/31/the-true-story-of-the-statue-of-liberty/

Just two results i picked from a google search offhand

kryogen

It was a gift from France, there are 3 of the statue in the world iirc

Not saying who built it, why or why they gave it to America, but it did come from France

uprising2

Originally Posted by uprising2
From what you understand of the freemasons is what your supposed to understand, they must believe in a supreme being, who it is doesnt matter, be it lucifer,baal, satan.

Look deeper and you will be surprised, look at famous freemasons, who built washington dc and placed a giant pentagram into the layout, who built the statue of liberty, the founding fathers of usa, it's all about deceit and double meaning, dark is light and light is dark.

And I am NOT a freemason.

DonalK1981 wrote: »

Wasn't that a gift from France?

Yes it was a gift from France, but you didn't "look deeper" did you!

Lucifer means "light-bearer" (from the words lucem ferre).
Use of this name in reference to a fallen angel stems from an interpretation of Isaiah 14:3-20, a passage that speaks of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives a title that refers to what in English is called the Day Star or Morning Star (in Latin, lucifer),[2] as fallen or destined to fall!!! .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

The Statue of Liberty

Designed by Brother Frederic A. Bartholdi

Frederic Bartholdi was one of the early members of Lodge Alsace-Lorraine, Paris (Oct. 14, 1875) which was composed of prominent intellectuals, writers and government representatives. When his famous statue "Liberty Enlightening the World" was achieved, Bartholdi convened his Lodge to review it, even before the statue was shown to the U.S. committee. On June 19, 1884, the Lodge, as if it were a pilgrimage, went in a body to review his masterpiece. On July 4th, 1884 the finished statue was presented to the American Ambassador in Paris, Levi Morton. On August 5th, 1884, the then Grand Master of Masons in New York, William A. Brodie laid the cornerstone of the pedestal of the statue of "Liberty Enlightening the World" with full Masonic ceremony. On November 13, 1884 Bartholdi delivered a lecture and gave the Lodge a report on the history and various methods used in the execution of the statue.
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/statue_of_liberty.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8X8Q8MmCXU

Statue of liberty freemasonic plaque:


So it was a gift from French freemasons to american freemasons, it represents lucifer the light bearer.



The Statue of Liberty — A Masonic Goddess from Top to Bottom
The Babylonian Ishtar, Imperial Rome’s goddess Libertas was Papal Rome’s “MOTHER OF THE HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH” and the template for America’s Statue of Liberty.


Ištar on a Neo-Assyrian seal (from J. Black & A. Green, Gods, demons and symbols of ancient Mesopotamia.

Rihanna "Rude Boy" anybody?

uprising2

How Hannah Montana has ruined our lives, by father of the £20m teenage star.
I’ll tell you right now, the damn show destroyed my family,’ the country singer said.
Cyrus, who played Miley’s father and manager in Hannah Montana, even claimed in an interview with GQ magazine in the U.S. that his family is under attack from Satan.

He claimed Miss Cyrus’s handlers told him the cannabis incident was none of his business. However, he said: ‘I should have been a better parent.
‘I should have said, “enough is enough”. But I didn’t.’


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1357232/Billy-Ray-Cyrus-Hannah-Montana-ruined-lives-says-Mileys-father.html#ixzz1EEfFflG7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuNmIBP7sEQ

Billy Ray Cyrus Fears Attack by Satan, Death of Miley
Billy Ray Cyrus admits in the latest issue of GQ that he's concerned over the safety of daughter Miley, and for good reason: he says Satan has attacked his family.
Seriously. After telling the magazine "somewhere along this journey, both mine and Miley's faith has been shaken," Billy Ray is asked if he truly believes he and his children are "under attack by Satan." His response?
There's no doubt about it.
http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2011/02/billy-ray-cyrus-fears-attack-by-satan-death-of-miley/


It's a great laugh...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRLv7ou1v5I

I'm sure most people reading this will agree with the presenter in the above clip, Billy Ray is gone off the head, but has he OR is he simply telling it like it is, people are very quick to dismiss what they don't understand, or through an inner fear cannot comprehend that "real" evil may and does exist.

Dad sounds alarm: Miley's in clutches of satanic LA

Comparing Miley - now 18 but still one Wilmer Valderrama behind Lindsay Lohan at the same age - to Kurt Cobain, Michael Jackson and Anna Nicole Smith, he says, "I'm scared for her. She's got a lot of people around her that's putting her in a great deal of danger."
Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonaliving/articles/2011/02/17/20110217people0217.html#ixzz1EEiWOODZ

Billy Ray Cyrus in GQ: My family is under attack by Satan, I'm 'scared for' daughter Miley

"Every time something happened in Miley's career, every time the train went off the track, if you will – Vanity Fair, pole-dancing, whatever scandal it was – her people, or as they say in today's news, her handlers, every time they'd put me ... 'Somebody's shooting at Miley! Put the old man up there!'" Billy Ray told the magazine about why he used to have such a strong public presence in his daughter's life.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2011/02/15/2011-02-15_billy_ray_cyrus_in_gq_my_family_is_under_attack_by_satan_im_scared_for_daughter_.html#ixzz1EEkF6Ofk

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gizmo

uprising2 wrote: »

I'm sure most people reading this will agree with the presenter in the above clip, Billy Ray is gone off the head, but has he OR is he simply telling it like it is, people are very quick to dismiss what they don't understand, or through an inner fear cannot comprehend that "real" evil may and does exist.

Are you honestly trying to imply that Satan, as an entity at least, is real?

uprising2

gizmo wrote: »

Are you honestly trying to imply that Satan, as an entity at least, is real?

Read it again, I would have thought it's clear.

But rather than give cryptic answers I'll just answer you, yes I do.
I believe an evil entity exists and so do many black magic advocates, although I have no fear of it or them, it's it and them who should be in fear...;)

You don't, I do, don't ask for links or proof.

gizmo

uprising2 wrote: »

Read it again, I would have thought it's clear.

But rather than give cryptic answers I'll just answer you, yes I do.
I believe an evil entity exists and so do many black magic advocates, although I have no fear of it or them, it's it and them who should be in fear...;)

You don't, I do, don't ask for links or proof.

Oh don't worry, this kind of stuff isn't something I'd pursue, it's your business and no-one else's as far as I'm concerned.

seannash

Uprising i love how you can manage to arrange bull**** like a professionally printed article in your posts.

why has no famous artist come out and said it in plain english,why hasnt any artist made a statement that concretely says whats going on.
Instead were left with symbolism and reading between the lines.
Micheal jacksons speech about Tommy motolla is suppose to be evidence but he doesnt say it,he merely implies it

Maybe a famous musician has come out and said it,if so could someone link me to it(seriously)
I hate this "look deeper" "connect the dots" bull****

If they are trying to hide it why do they 'display" these symbols and if there not trying to be secretive why isnt it common knowlege?

And im not saying this in jest but has anyone asked Jim Corr about his take on this matter?

Dull and Boring

seannash wrote: »

Uprising i love how you can manage to arrange bull**** like a professionally printed article in your posts.

why has no famous artist come out and said it in plain english,why hasnt any artist made a statement that concretely says whats going on.
Instead were left with symbolism and reading between the lines.
Micheal jacksons speech about Tommy motolla is suppose to be evidence but he doesnt say it,he merely implies it

Maybe a famous musician has come out and said it,if so could someone link me to it(seriously)
I hate this "look deeper" "connect the dots" bull****

If they are trying to hide it why do they 'display" these symbols and if there not trying to be secretive why isnt it common knowlege?

And im not saying this in jest but has anyone asked Jim Corr about his take on this matter?

One singer called Tiffany Evans, not sure who she is to be honest, definitely not a big star or anything and not likely to be after what she said:P but she tweeted the following after Rihanna released Russian Roulette:

''Russian Roulette= Suicidal Rate gonna sky rocket!
You gotta watch what u say. Because there are a lot of weak people in the world. They are susceptible to anything so anything you say or do some people actually do listen. So make sure its nothing bad. Its okay to be deep,but not murder deep.
Man! I really wish I could tell you guys what the industry really is and what stars are apart of destroying this world. The stars who worship satan,and those who have killed to get the respect they have now. You’d be verrrry surprise. Some of your favorite people pretend to worship God but they only do that to save face. Or seem innocent.
Satan was head of music in heaven. He uses influential people…to help influence the world. Think about that. Once u make a certain amount of money. Just know that that’s when they ask u to join. To get in you have accept the beast, worship. Once you join they assist u with ur career.make u huge.only if u agree and obey to destroy Gods word.and his children.
Ppl listen and pay attention. Its a war going on right now between Good and Evil. Evil will rule this world for a min. The people that have this power are the people that RULE the whole world. I’m done I won’t say anymore before I get in trouble.''


Then shortly after that the singer Omarian commented on what Tiffany said:

''“I don’t personally know Rihanna’s beliefs but I think there’s a very dark and very sinister part of the entertainment business and I think it’s very visible,” he said. “This is something that a lot of people don’t look at [but for example] Michael Jackson used to be a Jehovah’s Witness and I remember hearing that he wanted to separate from the religion — and this was during the time that he was doing ‘Thriller’ [which ended up being] his biggest album.”
“Fast forward to now,” Omarion continued, “[and] it really made me think that there is a [time as an artist] where there’s going to be a choice. The[entertainment] world [dictates] that you have to be with three or four women, or do this in order to get that [and] I think it’s really interesting. With God and the industry, it’s really dark. The dark side is having to get in, there’s a certain submission you need to have. Just like a gang [initiation], so to speak. You might have to do something against your moral code. I’m not saying that it’s always this way, but when you’re someone that is young and you’re coming up in the industry and you really don’t have a grip on your morals it can be very dark. The game is just about over saturation.
“I don’t know if Rihanna [has fallen victim to those pressures]. I’ve never really heard her speak about it,” he said. “I hope that she doesn’t believe in that stuff and I don’t think that she does, but I don’t know. It’s not just been a Rihanna thing, [there's has been religious speculation] about a lot of artists.”

It was because of statements like this that I had read, which was why I got curious about it and started the thread because I obviously wouldn't have noticed any symbols in videos etc, as I wasn't familiar with them before this thread:p Anyway, just thought I'd include them, I don't know of any other direct statements from famous people that aren't included in songs etc:)

seannash

Again its all suggestive,why dont they just come out and name names and tell it like it is.

This is apparantly someone who knows the industry (tiffany) but again nothing concrete.its all just specualtion.
dark and sinister can mean alot of things,it could mean people who rip artists off,people who intentionally exploit peoples sexual fantasies to sell an act etc

the Micheal Jackson thing,again is specualtion.he was religious(as was i when i was young because i was taught to be by my parents) and around his 20's he may have made a decision that he didnt believe in the jehovahs faith anymore(much like me not believing in god) but all of a sudden this is taken as a sign he is being manipulated.

Im not niave to think that there is no manipulation in the pop world but it is simply manipulation to appeal to a mass market and in the end make money not to push an sinister agenda.

Why havent all these conciously aware artist who are so outspoken talked about this,why havent washed up 80's stars talked about this.

Brown Bomber

seannash wrote: »

Why havent all these conciously aware artist who are so outspoken talked about this,why havent washed up 80's stars talked about this.

Washed up 80's star Prof Griff from Public Enemy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeREN_rwnVA

seannash

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Washed up 80's star Prof Griff from Public Enemy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeREN_rwnVA

You mean the racist security general for public enemy?
Who Chuck D refused to let speak for his anti semetic outburst?
I listened to that speech before and all he talks about is commercialism and how kids look up to rappers and wants material possesions.
Again,lets get these guys naming names

Love his take on the word media

seriously did you listen to this,hes talking about shakras and purturitary glands being shook by songs
He also says that being gay is manufatured in this clip

seriously your going to hold this fella up as someone to believe
punk rock is manufactured also

uprising2

seannash wrote: »

Uprising i love how you can manage to arrange bull**** like a professionally printed article in your posts.

why has no famous artist come out and said it in plain english,why hasnt any artist made a statement that concretely says whats going on.
Instead were left with symbolism and reading between the lines.
Micheal jacksons speech about Tommy motolla is suppose to be evidence but he doesnt say it,he merely implies it

Maybe a famous musician has come out and said it,if so could someone link me to it(seriously)
I hate this "look deeper" "connect the dots" bull****

If they are trying to hide it why do they 'display" these symbols and if there not trying to be secretive why isnt it common knowlege?

And im not saying this in jest but has anyone asked Jim Corr about his take on this matter?

Seem's I've been missing out on a bit of banter.
Hello D&B long time no see, hope your doing well in college.

Thanks seannash for your praise of my writing skills, it's a God given gift, that I must use to my advantage, but I'm not here to worry about what you or anybody else thinks.

Ever heard of Bob Dylan?, here's a video of him admitting selling his soul for success, to something "not of this world".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqvvOD4bdRs

Here's a longer version.

Katy Perry saying she sold her soul to the devil, can be labelled as misrepresented and not literal, but whatever,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjbUqQ6HOuE

Tupac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QVyHl6A0-Q

seannash I won't hold my breath here waiting for you to suddenly awaken, if you don't believe you dont believe, I am not your teacher, if you want to get to the bottom of something/anything do it, if not don't expect it to be done for you.

Seannash, you don't understand or believe any of this, if you can please put a list of my bullsh1t together and prove it wrong I will take you seriously, anything I post I stand by.

Dull and Boring

Here is one link...

http://jumptheturnstyle.com/?p=1456

He names names, not very detailed though. He is in jail now, he blames the Illuminati for being imprisoned because he spoke out.

uprising2 wrote: »

Hello D&B long time no see, hope your doing well in college.

Hello uprising, college is going good, thanks for asking. I hope you have been keeping well:)

uprising2

That's good to hear D&B, keep up the good work, finish with flying colours, then sign on the dole.....only kidding...Hopefully;).

Nice link you put up there, DMX is also going through some sh1t with the hoods.
I'll post the pics from your link.




DMX sold it, then wanted it back, and he's having a hard time because of getting out....

Here he is "in"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJMaWDsKxvk

Here he is "out"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQJ4RXzY1nA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKUxkz55EZs

EDIT:
Masonic references in music (by the masons)
DMX Slippin Hip Hop 1998 Flesh Of My Flesh, Blood Of My Blood
"I been through mad different phases like Masons."
http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/fiction/music.html

Dull and Boring

uprising2 wrote: »

That's good to hear D&B, keep up the good work, finish with flying colours, then sign on the dole.....only kidding...Hopefully;).

Nice link you put up there, DMX is also going through some sh1t with the hoods.
I'll post the pics from your link.

Haha, the way things are that mightn't be a joke unfortunately:P Oh well, I'll keep up the work, hopefully it will all be ok

I'd ask if you have been causing much trouble since we last spoke but I can guess the answer;)

Thanks for posting the pics, I was too lazy last night to do it (typical student:P)

Interesting videos you posted, I haven't seen those before.

uprising2

Dull and Boring wrote: »

Haha, the way things are that mightn't be a joke unfortunately:P Oh well, I'll keep up the work, hopefully it will all be ok

Get yourself to Australia girl!!!, look up a fella by the name mahatma around Brisbane, tell him uprising sent you, don't forget your shovel though.
But if you want to have fun stay well away from him, seriously if it's possible I'd consider Australia for a year if I were you, I know it will be all tears and hugs, but your young and life doesn't last that long, so do what you can when you can.

Dull and Boring wrote: »

I'd ask if you have been causing much trouble since we last spoke but I can guess the answer;)

When did we last speak??, but no I havent been in any trouble, all the mods are out to get me, coz I'm not in the hood;).

Dull and Boring wrote: »

Thanks for posting the pics, I was too lazy last night to do it (typical student:P)

Interesting videos you posted, I haven't seen those before.

Yeah!!!, typical student!!, but it was a very good link, so I took it upon myself to post the pics coz most wouldn't bother (and they're not lazy ********** students;)) actually clicking your link and there was something interesting that needed to be highlighted, and its a little more difficult to ignore when it's in your face.

Dull and Boring

Not to worry, you lost me at shovel anyway:D Well I have another year to go in college yet but after that I'd like to travel, I'm going a bit mad here.

Ah who knows, I can't remember who I spoke to last week, never mind the last time I talked to you:P You poor thing, such a quiet man like yourself, how could anyone find a reason to ban you;)


Would you write me off altogether if I said I was going to another concert next Saturday??:P

uprising2

Dull and Boring wrote: »

Not to worry, you lost me at shovel anyway:D Well I have another year to go in college yet but after that I'd like to travel, I'm going a bit mad here.

Ah who knows, I can't remember who I spoke to last week, never mind the last time I talked to you:P You poor thing, such a quiet man like yourself, how could anyone find a reason to ban you;)


Would you write me off altogether if I said I was going to another concert next Saturday??:P

I lost you at shovel, sorry.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70703219&postcount=59

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70703438&postcount=60

Who may I ask are you going to see next Saturday??,

Yea I know, I'm a victim here, everybody gangs up on me, it's not fair:rolleyes:.

And finally travel while your young and free, scrape beg or borrow, if all else fails bunk on a train to brisbane, if the ticket inspector catches you just tell him "no contract" and mahatma will let you look at his cows and grow some food for yourself, maybe even allow you to pitch your tent indefinately on his land.

Dull and Boring

uprising2 wrote: »

I lost you at shovel, sorry.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70703219&postcount=59

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70703438&postcount=60

Who may I ask are you going to see next Saturday??,

Yea I know, I'm a victim here, everybody gangs up on me, it's not fair:rolleyes:.

And finally travel while your young and free, scrape beg or borrow, if all else fails bunk on a train to brisbane, if the ticket inspector catches you just tell him "no contract" and mahatma will let you look at his cows and grow some food for yourself, maybe even allow you to pitch your tent indefinately on his land.

Ah right, I get you now.

I'm going to see Usher next Saturday. I'd tell you how I get on only you might be banned again by this time next week:p

I may well have to scrape, beg and borrow but I'll bear that in mind.

Jimmy the Wheel

uprising2 wrote: »

Ever heard of Bob Dylan?, here's a video of him admitting selling his soul for success, to something "not of this world".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqvvOD4bdRs

Here's a longer version.

Katy Perry saying she sold her soul to the devil, can be labelled as misrepresented and not literal, but whatever,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjbUqQ6HOuE

Tupac

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QVyHl6A0-Q

seannash I won't hold my breath here waiting for you to suddenly awaken, if you don't believe you dont believe, I am not your teacher, if you want to get to the bottom of something/anything do it, if not don't expect it to be done for you.

Seannash, you don't understand or believe any of this, if you can please put a list of my bullsh1t together and prove it wrong I will take you seriously, anything I post I stand by.

You take that stuff literally? Seriously?

And you're 'awake' because you can see this?

I like a good conspiracy, but some of the stuff in this thread is laughable.

joebucks

Jimmy the Wheel wrote: »

You take that stuff literally? Seriously?

And you're 'awake' because you can see this?

I like a good conspiracy, but some of the stuff in this thread is laughable.

I don't think BB and Uprising are using these videos as proof of a conspiracy, they are simply replying to seannash's query of whether there is any examples of musicians talking about the illuminati, selling your soul to the devil etc.

Jimmy the Wheel

joebucks wrote: »

I don't think BB and Uprising are using these videos as proof of a conspiracy, they are simply replying to seannash's query of whether there is any examples of musicians talking about the illuminati, selling your soul to the devil etc.

I may have missed the post, because my connection isn't great atm, but could you point out the post where seannash asks for proof of musicians talking about selling their souls to the devil, please.

Torakx

I dont need to believe in the devil to consider that other people do.
I can still speculate and still count it for a reason for certain peoples actions.
And also consider that the ones im specualting about might have thought the same thing.
If that makes any sense lol

For Jimmy The Wheel's question

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70721674&postcount=467
His question is quoted so im sure back there somewhere a page or two.
As for the answer well that is another discussion hehe

Jimmy the Wheel

Torakx wrote: »

For Jimmy The Wheel's question

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70721674&postcount=467
His question is quoted so im sure back there somewhere a page or two.
As for the answer well that is another discussion hehe

I didn't get the reference to the 'Illuminati' as devil worshippers.

I'm not fully awake yet. I need a coffee or something.

Just a word on the Illuminati, and waking up, while I'm at it, and since I noticed an earlier reference to Lucifer...

In most gnostic cosmologies there are more than one God. The divine God is Pleroma, who is composed entirely of light.

The creator of our material cosmos is one of his lackeys or archons, the Demiurge, who is a jealous type and who believes he is the only God, and who's soul purpose is to keep us trapped in the sorrow of materialism and to prevent us from returning to the light.

So Pleroma sent one of his angels, Lucifer, the light-bringer, to help us acheive Gnosis, or waking up, and bring us away from materialism.

Some of those who acheive gnosis, or enlightenment if you prefer the Buddhist term, moksha in Hinduism etc, termed themselves Illuminati.

So, the Demiurge, in trying to keep us trapped here in the material cosmos, turns us against Lucifer, and some of his agents co-opt the Illuminati name.

So my question is, are we dealing here with the good Illuminati or the bad Illuminati?

Are they promoting sexual liberation? Which would be the good Illuminati at work.

Or are they trying to trap us in material desire for the flesh? Which would be the bad Illuminati.




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seannash

NO i asked why dont they say something concrete,not suggesting evil forces are at play.

People interpritations of evil are different,gimme names of these people who are manipulating these artists.

alot of artists say the sell there soul when there force to make music that will sell to a mass market and not what they want to convey.

Its a turn of phrase.

These videos are laughable to be honest,they tell us nothing,absolutely nothing

Jimmy the Wheel

seannash wrote: »

These videos are laughable to be honest,they tell us nothing,absolutely nothing

Not just the video, but Dylan named one of his albums 'Highway 61 Revisited', in reference to the place where Robert Johnson, the bluesman, sold his soul to the devil. So I'm starting to believe there might actually be something in it.

The weight of evidence is too much.

iPlop

seannash wrote: »

NO i asked why dont they say something concrete,not suggesting evil forces are at play.

People interpritations of evil are different,gimme names of these people who are manipulating these artists.

alot of artists say the sell there soul when there force to make music that will sell to a mass market and not what they want to convey.

Its a turn of phrase.

These videos are laughable to be honest,they tell us nothing,absolutely nothing

Then why all the symbolism.Im not saying they're devil worshipers or anything like that ,my question is ,why through the eighties and nineties and now do we see the same kind of symbolism throughout the movie and music industry ,why ,what for?

Why all the pyramids ,all seeing eye etc..It's a feckin mystery but it's still there subtle ,and in your face ,so tell me ,What's it all about if it's laughable.It's obviously planted there on purpose ,so what/who is it?

And it's going on for years ,Album covers ,Music videos ,Movies.Someone is putting it there ,it's not fashion or merchandising so what is it?

seannash

Sink The Banana wrote: »

Then why all the symbolism.Im not saying they're devil worshipers or anything like that ,my question is ,why through the eighties and nineties and now do we see the same kind of symbolism throughout the movie and music industry ,why ,what for?

Why all the pyramids ,all seeing eye etc..It's a feckin mystery but it's still there subtle ,and in your face ,so tell me ,What's it all about if it's laughable.It's obviously planted there on purpose ,so what/who is it?

And it's going on for years ,Album covers ,Music videos ,Movies.Someone is putting it there ,it's not fashion or merchandising so what is it?

For the same reason there are crosses on every rapper.Its image
do you really think the same rappers who talk about money,drugs and women are in church every weekend without fail,that they are practicing christians

People want to appear edgy,like there ahead of the curve.these controversial symbols add fuel to the internet fire.

Not everything has to have a serious meaning behind it.

As for the dylan thing,wow an artist gave an abstract reference for an album title,never heard of that been done before.

Why oh why hasnt anybody named names,told us exactly about how there sold were sold,tells us exactly what they mean.

Who pulling the strings.
If its so obvious then why isnt there people pointing fingers to individuals,instead we have people talking about sides.


To be honest bringing the existance of god into a debate shows how much lack of cop on these spokespeople have already imo

Jimmy the Wheel

It's one helluva conspiracy that can continue for so long without any real evidence, expect for peoples interpretations of abstract symbolism or the joining of imaginary dots to other, real conspiracies.

The illuminati conspiracy is a crock of shit.

joebucks

Jimmy the Wheel wrote: »

I didn't get the reference to the 'Illuminati' as devil worshippers.

I'm not fully awake yet. I need a coffee or something.

Just a word on the Illuminati, and waking up, while I'm at it, and since I noticed an earlier reference to Lucifer...

In most gnostic cosmologies there are more than one God. The divine God is Pleroma, who is composed entirely of light.

The creator of our material cosmos is one of his lackeys or archons, the Demiurge, who is a jealous type and who believes he is the only God, and who's soul purpose is to keep us trapped in the sorrow of materialism and to prevent us from returning to the light.

So Pleroma sent one of his angels, Lucifer, the light-bringer, to help us acheive Gnosis, or waking up, and bring us away from materialism.

Some of those who acheive gnosis, or enlightenment if you prefer the Buddhist term, moksha in Hinduism etc, termed themselves Illuminati.

So, the Demiurge, in trying to keep us trapped here in the material cosmos, turns us against Lucifer, and some of his agents co-opt the Illuminati name.

So my question is, are we dealing here with the good Illuminati or the bad Illuminati?

Are they promoting sexual liberation? Which would be the good Illuminati at work.

Or are they trying to trap us in material desire for the flesh? Which would be the bad Illuminati.

Interesting input but again i will trot out the old saying that it depends on what your beliefs are. If you are into Theosophy then you will see the coming of Lucifer as a positive thing whereas if you are a Christian you will see it a s a very negative thing. Some believe that Maitreya will come to earth and will signify the second coming of Christ, others believe that Maitreya will be the Antichrist. To be honest I don't know enough about it to give a thorough answer on this. But if anyone has any links to interesting articles on this, please post them.

seannash wrote: »

NO i asked why dont they say something concrete,not suggesting evil forces are at play.

People interpritations of evil are different,gimme names of these people who are manipulating these artists.

alot of artists say the sell there soul when there force to make music that will sell to a mass market and not what they want to convey.

Its a turn of phrase.

These videos are laughable to be honest,they tell us nothing,absolutely nothing

eh you said

why havent washed up 80's stars talked about this

and the lads provided evidence of stars talking about this. Whether the views given are true or false is irrelevant in this situation.They do prove that some celebrities do believe in this stuff.

Alot of hiphop artists believe in Nuwaubianism. The teachings of which have alot of overlapping with the teachings of the likes of David Icke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuwaubianism#Nuwaubian_influence_on_musical_culture

seannash

joebucks wrote: »

eh you said



and the lads provided evidence of stars talking about this. Whether the views given are true or false is irrelevant in this situation.They do prove that some celebrities do believe in this stuff.

Alot of hiphop artists believe in Nuwaubianism. The teachings of which have alot of overlapping with the teachings of the likes of David Icke

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuwaubianism#Nuwaubian_influence_on_musical_culture

Yeah they provided alot of people making vague accusations,the first of which is a fella that believes being a homosexual is created by the illuminati.Thats an absolute insult to anyones intelligence if you expect any other claims made by this person to be taken as some sort of evidence.

So yeah again,nothing concrete

Jimmy the Wheel

joebucks wrote: »

Interesting input but again i will trot out the old saying that it depends on what your beliefs are.

...and if you believe in the Illuminati Conspiracy, you'll find meaning where there is none, and attribute the placing of symbolism in the media to some mysterious grand cabal, in accordance with your beliefs.

That was kind of the point of my post.

Believing is seeing.

I never understand why, if the conspiracy theorists believe that the Illuminati
are using occult powers to rule the world, why don't they themselves learn those same magick powers and bring the world back to the light, bearing in mind, with reference to my earlier post, that one of the ways the Demiurge keeps us mired in materialism, is to trap us in various belief systems.

And I'm only being slightly tongue-in-cheek.



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uprising2

seannash wrote: »

Uprising i love how you can manage to arrange bull**** like a professionally printed article in your posts.

why has no famous artist come out and said it in plain english,why hasnt any artist made a statement that concretely says whats going on.
Instead were left with symbolism and reading between the lines.
Micheal jacksons speech about Tommy motolla is suppose to be evidence but he doesnt say it,he merely implies it

Maybe a famous musician has come out and said it,if so could someone link me to it(seriously)
I hate this "look deeper" "connect the dots" bull****

If they are trying to hide it why do they 'display" these symbols and if there not trying to be secretive why isnt it common knowlege?

And im not saying this in jest but has anyone asked Jim Corr about his take on this matter?

thats what i answered jimmy

seannash

uprising2 wrote: »

thats what i answered jimmy

Yep and if you read my whole post i asked why hasnt anyone come out and concretely named and shamed and to be linked to it.instead i got linked to alot of speculation:rolleyes:

joebucks

seannash wrote: »

Yeah they provided alot of people making vague accusations,the first of which is a fella that believes being a homosexual is created by the illuminati.Thats an absolute insult to anyones intelligence if you expect any other claims made by this person to be taken as some sort of evidence.

So yeah again,nothing concrete

Well again my point is that the videos were posted not as evidence of a conspiracy but evidence of celebrities talking about illluminati.

Jimmy the Wheel wrote: »

...and if you believe in the Illuminati Conspiracy, you'll find meaning where there is none, and attribute the placing of symbolism in the media to some mysterious grand cabal, in accordance with your beliefs.

That was kind of the point of my post.

Believing is seeing.

I do not disagree. However certain symbols do carry certain meanings and these symbols do reoccur in numerous videos/artwork. Whether these symbols were put in as an in-joke, to signify spiritual beliefs or membership of a secret society I do not know. i would be interested to find out why so many artists have the 'All-seeing eye' in their videos.

I never understand why, if the conspiracy theorists believe that the Illuminati
are using occult powers to rule the world, why don't they themselves learn those same magick powers and bring the world back to the light?

And I'm only being slightly tongue-in-cheek.

Some people do believe that chanting, meditation, prayer and affirmations have such powers.

uprising2

Jimmy whatever Guru your into or mysticism isn't for me, I don't want to learn their magick, I don't need their magick.

Jimmy the Wheel

uprising2 wrote: »

Jimmy whatever Guru your into or mysticism isn't for me, I don't want to learn their magick, I don't need their magick.

Good for you.

But, if you're going to rail against imaginary monsters, at the very least, know your enemy (and your symbols).


(I don't necessarily buy into gnostic cosmology, btw, but in a thread about devil-worshipping popstars, I thought why not?)

Jimmy the Wheel

I've come up with a new theory for the appearance of the Eye in the Triangle mystery...

Many Thelemites, Thelema being a philosophy/religion based on Aleister Crowley's 'Book of the Law', believe the Aeon of Horus is upon us, to supersede the Aeon of Osiris, the patriarchal, destructive aeon of the last 2500 years or so.

The Aeon of Horus will, according to the belief, see humanity become more attuned to individual liberty, rather like the Freeman concept.

Perhaps some of these popstars and people inserting these images are Thelemites, or some other type of Hermetics, which would infer upon the symbols a meaning diametrically opposite to that of the Illuminati imposing their will upon mankind.

Not that I believe in the Illuminati, but is anybody really scared of them, given the current events in Arab countries?

nyarlothothep

Jimmy the Wheel wrote: »

I've come up with a new theory for the appearance of the Eye in the Triangle mystery...

Many Thelemites, Thelema being a philosophy/religion based on Aleister Crowley's 'Book of the Law', believe the Aeon of Horus is upon us, to supersede the Aeon of Osiris, the patriarchal, destructive aeon of the last 2500 years or so.

The Aeon of Horus will, according to the belief, see humanity become more attuned to individual liberty, rather like the Freeman concept.

Perhaps some of these popstars and people inserting these images are Thelemites, or some other type of Hermetics, which would infer upon the symbols a meaning diametrically opposite to that of the Illuminati imposing their will upon mankind.

Not that I believe in the Illuminati, but is anybody really scared of them, given the current events in Arab countries?

Interesting. Just spotted that the word for the magick formula of the age of Osiris, is IAO!!!! Thats also the acronym for Information Awareness Office, a project essentially designed to keep tabs on and control every citizen in the states! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office

Very odd coincidence.

Now that could be said to be an Illuminati plot to enslave mankind or whatever, but as I've said before their age is drawing to a close, the awakening of a global consciousness as symbolized by the uprisings of the arab world, the correlations between the aeons and similar world transitions posited by the mayans and ancient indian tribes points to a pattern, many of the esoteric belief systems seperated by geography are pointing towards the same thing, the beginning of a new phase, the illuminati/global elites are just puppets of the operations of a cosmic system.

Jimmy the Wheel

nyarlothothep wrote: »

Interesting. Just spotted that the word for the magick formula of the age of Osiris, is IAO!!!! Thats also the acronym for Information Awareness Office, a project essentially designed to keep tabs on and control every citizen in the states! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_Awareness_Office

Very odd coincidence.

Now that could be said to be an Illuminati plot to enslave mankind or whatever, but as I've said before their age is drawing to a close, the awakening of a global consciousness as symbolized by the uprisings of the arab world, the correlations between the aeons and similar world transitions posited by the mayans and ancient indian tribes points to a pattern, many of the esoteric belief systems seperated by geography are pointing towards the same thing, the beginning of a new phase, the illuminati/global elites are just puppets of the operations of a cosmic system.

Not forgetting the symbolism of the Age of Pisces, the fish at the mercy of the ebb and flow of the tides, being superseded by the Age of Aquarius, the individual water carrier, a la Carl Jung.

May you live in interesting times.

Jimmy the Wheel

Another theory....

The symbols could be representative of the Anti-Illuminati Ninjas, that this guy talks about towards the end of this video. (threadworthy?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNyte66LTQ

Their literature appears to have Freemasonry symbols, so perhaps Jay-Z and Rhianna are part of this ninja grouping.

Does anyone know any more about this 6 million strong group, and how does one gain membership? (more here)

Apologies if my theories are starting to look a little far-fetched.

iPlop

Jimmy the Wheel wrote: »

Another theory....

The symbols could be representative of the Anti-Illuminati Ninjas, that this guy talks about towards the end of this video. (threadworthy?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRNyte66LTQ

Their literature appears to have Freemasonry symbols.

Does anyone know any more about this 6 million strong group, and how does one gain membership?

Apologies if my theories are starting to look a little far-fetched.

That fella's an idiot ,he claims to be in close contact with the elite and makes these weird predictions of what's going to happen in the world and nothing ever happens,his grand father was an "elite" himself and he claims the Rockerfeller family had him killed because he was going to fund Nickoli Tesla's free energy research ,Remember at the time John D Rockefeller was the owner of the biggest oil company on earth and "free energy" would have killed him and his business at a time when oil and coal were the one and only source of energy

Jimmy the Wheel

Sink The Banana wrote: »

That fella's an idiot ,he claims to be in close contact with the elite

Here's a pic of him with David Rockefeller.

Are you suggesting his claim of a secret society, who are using freemasonry symbols, might be a little wacky?

iPlop

Jimmy the Wheel wrote: »

Here's a pic of him with David Rockefeller.

Are you suggesting his claim of a secret society, who are using freemasonry symbols, might be a little wacky?

I don't really know how to call it ,he has the credentials and the connections but his weird claims of "what's going to happen" never come true and this has been the case for the last few years.He's either deluded or being fed bullshit by his connections and if that's the case why can't he wake up to that fact.It doesn't take a genius to see he's been made to look pathetic and ill informed..

BTW I don't buy the HAARP bull