Palin says 2012 presidential bid a possibility

whynotwhycanti

In the same footage she also said that the Iraq war was part of 'Gods plan'. In the same speech she also said that the Alaska pipeline was also 'Gods will'. I was pretty sure that pipeline was the plan of multinational oil corporations, i don't think God had much to do with it. Why would god want a pipeline to be built through one of the last nature refuges in north america i don't know but she must have been talking to him as according to her it was 'Gods will'.

FatherTed

Well then, God willing, she will never become the Prez.

PomBear

Since when was there something wrong with Christians? I'm not what you call an active christian much like most of us but I respect the beliefs of other people, ffs.

karma_

PomBear wrote: »

Since when was there something wrong with Christians? I'm not what you call an active christian much like most of us but I respect the beliefs of other people, ffs.

even the crazy wacky ones?

Overheal

karma_ wrote: »

even the crazy wacky ones?

I have nothing wrong with a Jehovah Witness believing Blood Transfusion is blasphemy. Its their life they can do what they want with it.

When a Jehovah Witness becomes President and wants to make Blood Transfusions illegal, it becomes my problem.

PomBear

karma_ wrote: »

even the crazy wacky ones?

How's she crazy or wacky?

Overheal

PomBear wrote: »

How's she crazy or wacky?

I would have used the terms deluded and inept myself.

PomBear

Overheal wrote: »

I would have used the terms deluded and inept myself.

There's a considerable amount of Americans who would disagree with you.

kev9100

PomBear wrote: »

There's a considerable amount of Americans who would disagree with you.

I seriously doubt that. I have trouble believing that even the most right-wing, evangelical Republican can look at Sarah Palin and say "I think she would be a great President".

PomBear

kev9100 wrote: »

I seriously doubt that. I have trouble believing that even the most right-wing, evangelical Republican can look at Sarah Palin and say "I think she would be a great President".

I never said that they believe she'd be a great prez. Unlike many posters here, I don't contrast religious views with political potential. I was making the point that many don't believe she's crazy or deluded.

InTheTrees

PomBear wrote: »

There's a considerable amount of Americans who would disagree with you.

No, there arent.

Her 15 minutes are running out fast. The tea party fiasco (only 600 attendees) barely made network news. The todd emails will be a Huge issue to be used by her opponents if she tries to run for anything.

And the hand notes are just pathetic, made even more so by the fact that she was criticising Obamas use of a teleprompter at the time.

kev9100

PomBear wrote: »

I never said that they believe she'd be a great prez. Unlike many posters here, I don't contrast religious views with political potential. I was making the point that many don't believe she's crazy or deluded.

Oh, sorry about that. I thought you were making the point that a large portion of Americans wouldnt find it ridiculous if she was President. My mistake

PomBear

InTheTrees wrote: »

No, there arent.

Her 15 minutes are running out fast. The tea party fiasco (only 600 attendees) barely made network news. The todd emails will be a Huge issue to be used by her opponents if she tries to run for anything.

And the hand notes are just pathetic, made even more so by the fact that she was criticising Obamas use of a teleprompter at the time.

read my posts again, I was addressing the religious issue.

and who was interested in Obama three years before he got elected.

PomBear

kev9100 wrote: »

Oh, sorry about that. I thought you were making the point that a large portion of Americans wouldnt find it ridiculous if she was President. My mistake

Well many thought it was ridiculous not to vote for Obama.

Overheal

PomBear wrote: »

I was making the point that many don't believe she's crazy or deluded.

Unfortunately.

LostinKildare

PomBear wrote: »

Em..... her lowest approval rating was 68%, most her term was in the 80s

http://www.adn.com/3182/story/542179.html

Em . . . that was in October 2008. By May 2009 (2 months before she quit) she was at 54% approval/ 41.6% disapproval.
http://www.miamiherald.com/515/story/1035915.html

Last month her popularity in Alaska was down to 47% approval/ 45% disapproval.
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_AK_129.pdf

PomBear wrote: »

Where and when was she convicted?

She wasn't convicted (she wasn't tried), but in October 2008 a bipartisan (10 Republicans, 4 Democrats) Alaska legislative ethics investigation found that she had abused the power of her office in Troopergate.

Alaska Ethics Probe Finds Palin Abused Her Power
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1041450720081015

Bizarrely, in a conference call with reporters the next day, Palin said "Well, I’m very, very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing… Any hint of any kind of unethical activity there. Very pleased to be cleared of any of that." WTF?

kev9100

LostinKildare wrote: »

Bizarrely, in a conference call with reporters the next day, Palin said "Well, I’m very, very pleased to be cleared of any legal wrongdoing… Any hint of any kind of unethical activity there. Very pleased to be cleared of any of that." WTF?

It sounds to me that someone was in denial:rolleyes:.

LostinKildare

Looks like she's a tax cheat too.

Palin Cabins Not Noted in Tax Assessments
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100205/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_property_taxes

InTheTrees

LostinKildare wrote: »

Looks like she's a tax cheat too.

Palin Cabins Not Noted in Tax Assessments
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100205/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_property_taxes

Turns out she's stealing as much as she can get away with from the State of ALaska.

Maybe thats why she quit before completing her term as govenor?

LostinKildare

This is the full statement from Palin's spokesperson Meghan Stapleton:

This is another blatant attempt to manufacture a story about the Palins following more defamatory swipes. We have yet again the desecration of the creating lies of malignancy to sully the name of the governor and her children. This attempt to mislead by false information will backlash those who use defamatory accusations and outright lies. Another example of shameful disrespecting of the governor from hating haters who seek to destroy her via Tax Panels.

Cuckoo cukoo.

InTheTrees

LostinKildare wrote: »

This is the full statement from Palin's spokesperson Meghan Stapleton:



Cuckoo cukoo.

Whats the definition of a Sociopath?

LostinKildare

The more we know the less we like.

According to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, 71% of Americans do not feel that Palin is qualified to be President. That includes a sharp drop in Republican support, where 45% believe she is qualified compared to 66% who thought she was last fall.
Overall, 37% have a favorable view while 55% have an unfavorable view of the former Alaska Governor.

GuanYin

You guys do understand she needs the presidential party nomination first, right?

Does anyone here actually think that the GOP will push Palin forward over the other republican candidates? Or that Republicans will vote for her over other GOP candidates?

Really?

LostinKildare

No

GuanYin

PomBear wrote: »

and who was interested in Obama three years before he got elected.

I was, most of my friends in Chicago were. Quite a few of my friends from the surrounding states were.

Obama was talked about long before his presidential nomination, when he was in the Illinois senate many people viewed him as a potential presidential nominee.

Permabear

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InTheTrees

A new poll today seems to confirm what we're all thinking:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/02/11/2010-02-11_poll_reads_palins_palm_no_chance_in_2012_71_of_americans_dont_think_shes_qualifi.html

71% of Americans think she's unqualified. I dont see how with those kind of numbers she can even raise enough cash to run in the republican primary.

GuanYin

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Not really, most of the party candidacy nominations were predicted a couple of years before the nominations for the last election, including Obama.

Bookmark this post. Pawlenty will be the GOP forerunner. Ironically, he probably would have been a VP for anyone but McCain.

InTheTrees

GuanYin wrote: »

You guys do understand she needs the presidential party nomination first, right?

Does anyone here actually think that the GOP will push Palin forward over the other republican candidates? Or that Republicans will vote for her over other GOP candidates?

Really?

Hopefully (i'm a democrat) she'll do a ross perot and run as some kind of independant.

SDTimeout

kev9100 wrote: »

You can say a lot of bad things about Obama, but at least he can get through a simple Q and A session without notes written on his hand. Look, there's even evidence.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/01/obamas-qa-with-house-republica.html

i think the funny thing alot of people found was how she slated him for using a teleprompter. Yet she had notes scrawled over her palms

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Lockstep

Romney would an interesting candidate. Although I'd imagine the Democrats would go all out on him for flip-flopping (seeing as it was so effective against Gore and Kerry)
Also, would have the baggage to Republicans for bringing in mandated healthcare in Massachusetts, as well as being a Mormon.

Wouldn't mind seeing Giuliani going forward myself.

GuanYin

donegalfella wrote: »

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Out of curiosity, does it show where Obama polled at the corresponding stage prior to his nomination?

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InTheTrees

And how about Bill Clinton's victory in the primary?

He was a backmarker almost all the way to the convention.

But I dont see how this is relevant to palin. None of those other candidates had the negatives that are hanging over palin and that are dormant right now but will become major issues if she tries to run for anything.

kev9100

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Romney would an interesting candidate.Also, would have the baggage to Republicans for bringing in mandated healthcare in Massachusetts, as well as being a Mormon.

If I had to choose a Republican to be President, it would definitely be Romney. But like you said, he would be under constant attack from the right and would probably struggle to raise enough support in the grass-roots as well.

LostinKildare

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Wouldn't mind seeing Giuliani going forward myself.

Nooooooooooo! Unless you mean because he would lose so badly, in which case, yessssssss!

mattblacktiger

I'm living statside right now and have never seen this country so divided as it is right now politically.
What I find really depressing is all the shouting and hatred for anyone with an opposing view. I fear the age of reason is well and truly dying right now.
I like to listen to both sides but now it's just loud noise
I would love to see a moderate progressive 3rd party candidate run for president someone like a Joe Scarboro (ex gop congressman ) .
Both parties over here need a good shake up.
I'm registered independent but I voted for Obama but am on the fence and wish he would just tackle the economy as at the end of the day it's all about the economy and jobs

Overheal

Matt I have taken a near Solid Stance on not discussing politics in Person. You get people yelling over you, someone eventually calls you stupid, you want to hurl your own abuse at others, and you're just Sick to Tears of the same tired Rhetoric passing through your ears, it makes my drums bleed.

Nodin

kickoutthejams wrote: »

Wouldn't mind seeing Giuliani going forward myself.

Given his showing last time round, it's unlikely.

Oafley Jones

InTheTrees wrote: »

A new poll today seems to confirm what we're all thinking:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/02/11/2010-02-11_poll_reads_palins_palm_no_chance_in_2012_71_of_americans_dont_think_shes_qualifi.html

71% of Americans think she's unqualified. I dont see how with those kind of numbers she can even raise enough cash to run in the republican primary.

What much more revealing in that poll is her collapse in support within the GOP. Palin's never going have any chance for the ticket, she only appeals to the "teabaggers" and doesn't appeal to moderates within the party. Plus, she really is an idiot.

Nodin

Indeedy, its the swing voters they're after. Dyed in the wool party members will more than likely turn out for any half decent party candidate, to spite the opposition if nothing else.

BluePlanet

I doubt she'd get the GOP nomination.
I have mixed feelings about her.

1) she's dangerously idiotic and will probably make us all suffer

2) maybe she'd unknowingly assist in the collapse of the american empire (so the end justifies the means)
Go Sarah

Lockstep

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Very true.
Although it'd be interesting to see how he would appeal to the Moral Majority crowd. He has a very similar resumé to George W. Bush but with actual business success. He's fairly moderate but could run into problems.

I'd imagine he'd try to tout his Massachusetts healthcare plan as a sign of his bipartisanship rather than try to appeal to Democrats with it but it'd be ammo for contendors. He also has the benefit of 5 photogenic sons who would be a big help campaigning (can visit 10 states each etc)


I'd rather see Giuliani myself. He did a good job as new york mayor and has a fair few innovative ideas.

If Palin runs, it'd be a Democratic dream come true. She's too much of a caricature to do very well and would completely alienate Rockefeller Republicans and independants.


I liked McCain a lot before he actually ran for president.

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Overheal

donegalfella wrote: »

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Cue the "Which one becomes the Second Lady" jokes.

McCain's better qualities did not come across in his poorly managed campaign, alas. We saw the "real McCain" re-emerge in his concession speech, but it was too late by then.

Agreed. He's a good man but to even get that far required becoming a GOP tool for a while there.

Lockstep

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Is a problem alright. Although the amount of damage it does varies. Around 1 in 3 Americans say they'd be reluctant to vote for a Mormon president to the Gallup poll you just showed.
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/15146/are-americans-ready-for-a-mormon-president
http://pewresearch.org/pubs/648/romney-mormon

All in all, it is clear that there is a problem there somewhere. Although the same was said about Kennedy.

donegalfella wrote: »

I don't think anyone disputes that health care reform is needed, but Obamacare is clearly too socialistic for the American people. If Romney can learn from Omaba's mistakes, and can craft a plan for reform that will appeal to Republicans and moderate Democrats alike, he might benefit greatly.

His healthcare background is a real dark horse. In 2008 he was saying he would encourage federal aid to state experimentation while ruling out federal mandates.
It could either be seen as a stirling example of bipartisanship and pragmatism and pull in moderates by the ton, or it could be seen by the GOP as dangerously socialistic and not something a Republican should have any truck with.

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I certainly wouldn't call it the end of his politics career. He has yet to deny that he will seek the 2012 presidency seat and he stands a chance if he's up against the likes of Palin. Wouldn't rule him out just yet.

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If anything, Palin damages that viewpoint. It's hard to take someone's policies seriously when she's that batshít insane.

donegalfella wrote: »

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My disappointment with him was more a case of his move to the right. Prior to this, he genuinely came across as a maverick who was not afraid to vote across party lines. THe McCain-Feingold bill, opposition to pork barrel spending, support of a strong military/apprehensiveness about how it was used and torture and willingness to compromise greatly impressed me. His move from opposing to supporting the Bush tax cuts and from opposing low taxes to balance to budget to supporting them caused my opinion of him to change.

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kev9100

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I can't speak for "Kickoutthejams" but personally, I think she is "bat**** insane" because comes out with stuff like this "Say he decided to declare war on Iran or decided really to come out and do whatever he could to support Israel, which I would like him to do,". Plus there's all the stuff about death panels and the like. To me, thats pretty much the definition of "bat**** insane".



Link to quote: http://rawstory.com/2010/02/palin-war-with-iran-would-help-obama/