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Athiest Evangelising?

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    #272
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    I'm sure you're prepared to put your hand in your pocket to support the promotion of your beliefs so.

    There appears to be an implicit assumption that last sentence that you snuck in that education=enlightenment, which leads to atheism. But you're entitled to that firmly held belief and I respect that.

    Rationality and science lead to atheism, since theistic belief is ultimately just wishful thinking.

    Humans started believing the sun was a god and that rain was divine ... eventually truth wins out, it always does.


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    #273
    DogmaticLefty
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    There are some very explicit studies which show pretty conclusively that atheism is directly correlated with education and intelligence; that is, smarter and better educated people are more likely to be atheists.

    http://kspark.kaist.ac.kr/Jesus/Intelligence%20&%20religion.htm

    I assume that study from 1999 is limited to the scientific community?

    As someone with a master's in science, I find it as no surprise that there is a greater incidence of atheists in the scientific community than in the general population, especially when you consider that scientific discovery is a fundamental tenant of an atheist's belief system.


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    #274
    DogmaticLefty
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    Rationality and science lead to atheism, since theistic belief is ultimately just wishful thinking.
    What a daring sentence. Oh look, I'm in the atheism and agnosticism forum!
    Wicknight wrote: »
    Humans started believing the sun was a god and that rain was divine ... eventually truth wins out, it always does.
    Ah, so there is a Truth. We just haven't "discovered it scientifically" yet! I'll look out for the Truth in my studies and report back to you if I find it.


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    #275
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    But you're entitled to that firmly held belief and I respect that.

    It is a regrettable fact that a very great many religious people use their religion as a placeholder for gaps in their understanding. The God of the gaps has existed since man first started praying to a bonfire or begging the stars for help. The existence of life, the beauty of nature, the origin of the world, the meaning of death, the appearance of freewill...all these things have been and are still used as excuses to prop up an untenable supernatural worldview. So yes, in many ways education dispels this false logic.

    It is also regrettable that the vast majority of religious people possess those beliefs due to poor reasoning ability. Argument from ignorance/fear/popularity and a litany of other fallacies. Again, education reduces this.

    It also helps that the statistics are on my side. The more educated a person is the less likely they are to be religious. Both by individual and by nation.


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    #276
    DogmaticLefty
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    Zillah wrote: »
    It is a regrettable fact that a very great many religious people use their religion as a placeholder for gaps in their understanding. The God of the gaps has existed since man first started praying to a bonfire or begging the stars for help. The existence of life, the beauty of nature, the origin of the world, the meaning of death, the appearance of freewill...all these things have been and are still used as excuses to prop up an untenable supernatural worldview. So yes, in many ways education dispels this false logic.

    It is also regrettable that the vast majority of religious people possess those beliefs due to poor reasoning ability. Argument from ignorance/fear/popularity and a litany of other fallacies. Again, education reduces this.

    It also helps that the statistics are on my side. The more educated a person is the less likely they are to be religious. Both by individual and by nation.

    This is a thread on evangelising, not your perceptions of Christianity.


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    #277
    ChocolateSauce
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    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    I assume that study from 1999 is limited to the scientific community?

    .

    Yes, but the other 20 or 30 studies listed are not.

    What is your scientific field, might I ask?


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    #278
    Zombrex
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    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    What a daring sentence. Oh look, I'm in the atheism and agnosticism forum!

    Well I can post it in the soccer forum if you like :rolleyes:
    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    Ah, so there is a Truth. We just haven't "discovered it scientifically" yet! I'll look out for the Truth in my studies and report back to you if I find it.

    I doubt you will. You seem content with your delusion.


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    #279
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    This is a thread on evangelising, not your perceptions of Christianity.

    Jawohl Moderator DogmaticLefty!

    Also, screw you. We're speaking about evangelising, I mentioned education as the best means to promote atheism and so I explained why that was the case. You might not like hearing how ridiculous your zombie-jew faith is, but that's kind of a naive attitude when posting on this forum.


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    #280
    DogmaticLefty
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    I doubt you will. You seem content with your delusion.

    Sure next you'll be claiming that all science published by Christians should be put in the bin. Should there be a little box that you tick when submitting a paper to a journal do you think?

    There are Catholic priests working at CERN you know.


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    #281
    DogmaticLefty
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    Zillah wrote: »
    Also, screw you.

    When you calm down, I might consider responding to you. For now, I'm taking a break from engaging with you.


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    #282
    DogmaticLefty
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    Yes, but the other 20 or 30 studies listed are not.

    What is your scientific field, might I ask?

    I have a master's in condensed matter physics. Currently in computer science.


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    #283
    MikeC101
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    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    Sure next you'll be claiming that all science published by Christians should be put in the bin.

    That's a nice straw man you've constructed there, but I think you'll find no one said anything of the sort.


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    #284
    ChocolateSauce
    Registered Users Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ChocolateSauce


    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    Sure next you'll be claiming that all science published by Christians should be put in the bin. Should there be a little box that you tick when submitting a paper to a journal do you think?
    .



    Stop being a troll. Such a stupid statement is just plain stupid. I don't think you actually think we think that. Having silly beliefs doesn't make it impossible to do good science, and no one has even intimated otherwise.


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    #285
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    When you calm down, I might consider responding to you. For now, I'm taking a break from engaging with you.

    I'm perfectly calm. One can be calm and insulting at the same time. I am merely expressing my disdain for your backseat moderating and obvious desire to avoid the issue. Which is understandable considering that you're wrong.


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    #286
    DogmaticLefty
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    Such a stupid statement is just plain stupid. I don't think you actually think we think that. Having silly beliefs doesn't make it impossible to do good science, and no one has even intimated otherwise.

    Having silly beliefs certainly makes it impossible to do good theology :pac:


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    #287
    Ickle Magoo
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    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    That's because you're not as passionate about your beliefs. Would you have the confidence to go out and try and convert the general public to a minority's way of thinking? Perhaps it's easier to read Dawkins and aspire to be an internet message forum hero.

    That is just yet more complete & utter bollocks.

    It has nothing to do with a lack of passion (I don't have beliefs btw, if you'd bother your ar$e reading the thread rather than just trolling, you'd know that). Neither do I post to be some kind of hero (heroine ;)), the thanks are because others feel the same way and find your posts equally as asinine, but obviously you would rather blame something or someone else than face up to that rather unsavoury truth.

    I don't care if other people want to worship the moon or god or each other, I DON'T CARE. I have no interest in converting the general public, unlike religion, I just want people to think about what they are doing and why and recognised and legislated equality in state situations. I'm not sure in how many ways I can say that before it sinks in. I care about the implications that having to live in a non-secular society means to me & mine, the ridiculous pretence of canteen catholicism that exists here that propagates so many issues. I enjoy having intelligent debate with either theists or atheists, parents, teenagers, etc, on any number of other forums on this site - but that's not what's happening here - much as you would like to think otherwise.

    It's tiresome and tedious and irritating (etc, etc) to have to deal with a constant stream of ignorant aggression from people who deliberately come onto this forum with some kind of warped agenda based on their own narrow mindedness and lack of experience of, or with, atheists & agnostics thinking they are so clever and quick-witted. If it makes you feel more important to blame the reaction to your own inflammatory and condescending comments on some kind of personal crusade of mine then by all means do that, I don't care about that either. It's patently obvious for all to see what you are and what you are doing.

    You are just one of many who post on this forum, hell this board, every week spouting the same tiresome drivel and much of the reaction you get stems from weary frustration of the never ending revolving door of dishonest, disingenuous sameness, not because you make anything that resembles a reasonable point. *shrugs*


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    #288
    DogmaticLefty
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    What's "canteen Catholicism"? Now there's one I haven't heard before. I'll bet you get really mad underneath when the Trocaire box is left in a prominent location in the canteen.


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    #289
    King Mob
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    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    What's "canteen Catholicism"? Now there's one I haven't heard before. I'll bet you get really mad underneath when the Trocaire box is left in a prominent location in the canteen.

    I know it throws me into such a rage only devouring a baby would calm me down.
    I expect it's going to get worse over lent, so lock away your babies.


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    #290
    Ickle Magoo
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    Canteen, pick and mix, take the confirmation money, wedding and funeral and never enter a church again...live together before getting married and have the white wedding, get drunk and beat the wife and always go to mass, that kind of idea.

    I don't eat in a canteen so no, wrong. If I did, a charity collection box would hardly make me mad, wrong again. Shockeroonies.


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    #291
    Dades
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Rather than throwing out cards for flared tempers and probable trolling, I think this abomination of a thread has run it's course.

    See you all on the other side.


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    #292
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,417 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    DogmaticLefty wrote: »
    Having silly beliefs certainly makes it impossible to do good theology :pac:
    No doubt.

    But all the same, having silly beliefs certainly does make it very easy to do theology adequate to the needs of the church.


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