The Statistics of Penis Wielding Oppressors

Dr Galen

is this turning into another Man Vs Woman thread?

Seriously, there have been enough of them around here recently. Debate your points, debate them well. Please don't start building strawmen or posting to deliberately rile others up.

This IS the Gentlemans Club, and yes it's function is to see things from the modern mans POV, but, thats not to the detriment of opposing voices or to allow for ranting. That said, please bear in mind that as much as the the Ladies Lounge is the safe place for women here on boards.ie (and rightly so ), this forum serves a similar purpose for blokes. So civility and seeing the other sides views, without putting them down is also required.

I suppose what I'm saying is:

Gents..........act like Gents
Ladies.........act like Ladies

CDfm

Thaedydal wrote: »

You really think that the money spent on the care and treatment of all rape victims regardless of gender should be split to provide a gendered service with while be lesser and have less resources?

The rape crises center has been hostile against rapists and rape culture and rightly so and more men should also be that way.

I do really believe that and while I dont think its ideal I feel that men or boys would find it difficult to come forward to a womens group.I have real problems with it -especially if the perpetrator is a woman. You are asking an orgabisation and individuals working there to change their fundamental values and beliefs. I dont think they can.

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Sorry Mystik - yikes, four big posts in a row! I am getting very ranty.

Sorry if I have contributed to taking discussion away from gent's issues at all.

Nevyn

CDfm wrote: »

I do really believe that and while I dont think its ideal I feel that men or boys would find it difficult to come forward to a womens group.I have real problems with it -especially if the perpetrator is a woman. You are asking an orgabisation and individuals working there to change their fundamental values and beliefs. I dont think they can.

It that is your perception, opinion and prejudice then so be it,
it hasn't been my experience or that of any male which I know who availed of the services there.
So I have no idea what you seem to think "their fundamental values and beliefs" are.

CDfm

Thaedydal wrote: »

It that is your perception, opinion and prejudice then so be it,
it hasn't been my experience or that of any male which I know who availed of the services there.
So I have no idea what you seem to think "their fundamental values and beliefs" are.

Lets leave that one for another day

Nevyn

Oh I am quiet happy to leave the entire thread for another day if not decade,
I was pleased to read it and see the discussions unflold until it went down the route of
if any feminists were invovled then it's antiman and evil.

CDfm

Ah go-ahead. That bit is just my opinion.;)

I would like to see what you have to say.

its a way of topic.

Nevyn

The same way it is not right for women to blame men for all the ills and inequality in society it is not right for men to try and blame their ills and inequalities on 'Feminists'.

As Crinnie pointed out early why aren't men campaigning on their issues?
For me as a person who believes in empowerment I can't do that for men, I will support them doing for themselves and be grateful for the changes which will occur which will benefit me and my children both my son and my daughter, but it is not for me to do it for them.

There was a paternity leave action group set up in parenting, it died, there wasn't the will and the want to make it happen. Is it lack of awareness? As many Father's to be only find out when the baby is on it's way that they have no legal statuary paternity leave. Ironically enough they have the right to 2 days paid leave for prenatal class.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/birth-family-relationships/before-your-baby-is-born/antenatal_classes
But where are the lobby groups? Where are the petitions? Where are the men hassling thier T.D.s to make this on the governments agenda?

metrovelvet

cdfm, it would be a breath of fresh air if you changed the record. There are two doctors in my local health center,a man and a woman. You know who is always absent? The man. His wife is dying. Honestly, I think you dont like women and you use amen and the like to posture some civic mindedness.

CDfm

All I am saying is that there are a lot of Womens groups that are very anti-men. Pick up any domestic violence leaflet and you see it.

I just happen to believe the gender discrimination promoted by these groups especially in areas such as abuse is wrong. They come across in the same way Sinn Fein does. Support them if you want too.

That doesnt make me anti-woman.

I also think such groups do a disservice to society.

As someone who is qualified and has worked as an economist I will have some views which have an economic rationale and that other small open economies like ours use to be more economically competitive.


Just because I dont agree with a particular view of the world does not make me anti women etc

I think a misogynist is something a real feminist would be if she were a man

And I have a guy sense of humour about the whole thing too.

Nevyn

CDfm wrote: »

I think a misogynist is something a real feminist would be if she were a man

I find that pretty insulting tbh, Again your prejudices are showing.
/waits for the 'joke' about her not having a sense of humour :rolleyes:

Is it lack of awareness that has men not looking to correct the injustices and imbalances? Why is it that so few of them are willing to educate (starting with themselves), inform, agitate and advocate on such issues?

trout

I'm temp-locking this thread until I can read over it and form an opinion.

First glance: this thread appears to have gone off topic, and down a familiar rabbit hole.

Once I've read the posts, I'll consult with the other mods and post back with an update. This might take a while.

In the meantime, let's all calm down and play nice.

trout

Update.

Consensus view of the mods is to leave this thread locked.

This is a shame, it started out as an interesting thread until it was derailed.

The charter will be updated in the coming days to cover soapboxing / staying on topic. From this point forward, there will be no tolerance for soapboxing.