Isreal used Irish passports to kill Hamas in Dubai

Tarzan007

According to the Belfast Telegraph members of an Isreali squad assassinated a top Hamas military commander used Irish passports to enter and leave Dubai.

I've heard they often use forged passports from small countries like Ireland, Finland etc to enter countries to do their dirty ops. Anyone else hear of this ? And if it's true, surely the Isreali embassy staff should be ordered out of the country or something ?

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/israeli-hit-squad-that-killed-hamas-commander-had-irish-passports-14670094.html#ixzz0f4GRsowK

Manic Moran

Israel recognises dual-citizenship. Who says the passports had to be forged? They might have been two or three Israelis who legitimately have Irish passports.

NTM

Hellm0

Irish passports (whether forged or not) are very respected and will get you out of some situations. Supposedly Oliver North and Bud McFarland used falsified Irish passports to enter Iran, and according to Bob Baer (whose life supposedly inspired the movie Syriana), the CIA section chief in Iran at one time or another held an Irish passport.

R.Dub.Fusilier

if i remember rightly Oliver North and CIA operatives traveled on Irish passports in the middle east and used planes painted to look like aer lingus ones to transport some of the weapons for hostages.

cushtac

That's provided all of this is true, all you've got there is anonymous claims in a paper.

Hellm0

cushtac wrote: »

That's provided all of this is true, all you've got there is anonymous claims in a paper.

This is the internet, unless you happen to have access to the echelon system then most things will be anonymous and unsubstantiated.

citizen_p

munich (movie) style raids...
well fight fire with fire....i see a few bombings in retaliation

cushtac

Hellm0 wrote: »

This is the internet, unless you happen to have access to the echelon system then most things will be anonymous and unsubstantiated.

So are we now to accept what's said more readily now because of that?

And it was in an article printed in a supposedly trustworthy paper originally.

time lord

Sure the gov. used sell Irish passports. That was happening at offical level so imagine what is/was happened at a criminal level.

Tarzan007

Hellm0 wrote: »

This is the internet, unless you happen to have access to the echelon system then most things will be anonymous and unsubstantiated.

Exactly. I would have thought the Belfast Telegraph, not a nationalist newspaper BTW, would be a reliable enough source.

cushtac wrote: »

So are we now to accept what's said more readily now because of that?

And it was in an article printed in a supposedly trustworthy paper originally.

Well RTE are now reporting it.

" However, the Department of Foreign Affairs said it has no record of Irish passports having been issued with details corresponding to those published today in a number of United Arab Emirates newspapers.
'We are in ongoing contact with the UAE authorities to try to ascertain the exact facts of the case. To date, we have received no evidence that any Irish nationals were involved.' "

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0216/dubai.html

So it looks like they were possibly forged Irish passports. According to Sky news they also used 6 Britsh passorts and the other two with German and French passports.

So, poor little Isreal is showing it's complete arrogance for international law once again. But ofcourse they can, after all, they don't have to worry about any reprocussions whatsoever. That's the ' War on Terror ' for you :mad:

ChessHacker

Of the 6 British passports used, five were cases of identify theft of people living in Israel. Those people now fear for their lives.
I also notice that most are wearing small square rimmed glasses in an attempt to conceal the eyes as much as possible (to avoid later identification).

The are a couple of points I would like to mention:

• This makes it more dangerous for Irish people to travel abroad as the Irish passport is respected in many countries that might be hostile to a US or UK passport holder.
• To those here defending the action: regardless of who carried out the action, do you believe that such extra-judicial murders are justified? What happens to the rule of law in democratic societies if such actions go unpunished?

twinytwo

ChessHacker wrote: »

Of the 6 British passports used, five were cases of identify theft of people living in Israel. Those people now fear for their lives.
I also notice that most are wearing small square rimmed glasses in an attempt to conceal the eyes as much as possible (to avoid later identification).


The are a couple of points I would like to mention:

• This makes it more dangerous for Irish people to travel abroad as the Irish passport is respected in many countries that might be hostile to a US or UK passport holder.
• To those here defending the action: regardless of who carried out the action, do you believe that such extra-judicial murders are justified? What happens to the rule of law in democratic societies if such actions go unpunished?

Democracy dosent really exist....

twinytwo

Tarzan007 wrote: »

Exactly. I would have thought the Belfast Telegraph, not a nationalist newspaper BTW, would be a reliable enough source.


Well RTE are now reporting it.

" However, the Department of Foreign Affairs said it has no record of Irish passports having been issued with details corresponding to those published today in a number of United Arab Emirates newspapers.
'We are in ongoing contact with the UAE authorities to try to ascertain the exact facts of the case. To date, we have received no evidence that any Irish nationals were involved.' "

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0216/dubai.html

So it looks like they were possibly forged Irish passports. According to Sky news they also used 6 Britsh passorts and the other two with German and French passports.

So, poor little Isreal is showing it's complete arrogance for international law once again. But ofcourse they can, after all, they don't have to worry about any reprocussions whatsoever. That's the ' War on Terror ' for you :mad:

forget the war on terror the isrealis do what they want anyway who would stop them?.. the un? i dont think so

Burnt

It seems that the Irish Passport numbers were genuine after all

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/17/israeli-ambassador-summoned-dubai-murder

www.gaurdian.co.uk wrote:

Ireland has also launched an investigation into the use of three faked Irish passports by the hit squad. The Irish foreign minister, Michael Martin issued a statement saying: "Genuine Irish passport numbers were used. These numbers correspond to actual numbers on three legitimate Irish passports. However, the identities of the persons recorded on the forged passports do not correspond to those recorded on the valid passports carrying the same numbers."

http://www.foreignaffairs.gov.ie/home/index.aspx?id=83310

Dept of Foreign Affairs wrote:

Statement by Minister Martin on the use of fake Irish passports in Dubai

The Minister for Foreign Affairs, Mr. Micháel Martin T.D, announced this evening that further information has been received from the authorities in the United Arab Emirates concerning reports of the use of fake Irish passports in Dubai. This new information, provided by the UAE to the Irish Ambassador, Ciarán Madden, confirms that the passports used were fraudulent.

The new information also includes additional material relating to the passport numbers. This indicates that genuine Irish passport numbers were used. These numbers correspond to actual numbers on three legitimate Irish passports. However, the identities of the persons recorded on the forged passports do not correspond to those recorded on the valid passports carrying the same numbers.

The Department of Foreign Affairs is urgently endeavouring to contact the three Irish citizens who hold or have held passports containing these numbers. The Minister requested that the privacy of the three individuals concerned be respected.

The Minister for Foreign Affairs regards any activity which would jeopardise the integrity of the Irish passport as extremely serious.

The Minister added “our passport is widely regarded and respected throughout the world as being of the highest quality. We have invested very heavily in extra security features so that our citizens can travel in safety. Actions, which endanger our well earned reputation in this area, have the potential to affect the security of all our citizens travelling overseas. I am determined to maintain the good name of Irish passports. The Department is liaising closely with the UAE authorities and with the Gardaí on the matter.”

The Department, through its Embassies in London, Paris and Berlin will be in contact with the authorities in these countries with a view to working with them in this investigation.

stackerman

Tarzan007 wrote: »

So, poor little Isreal is showing it's complete arrogance for international law once again. But ofcourse they can, after all, they don't have to worry about any reprocussions whatsoever. That's the ' War on Terror ' for you :mad:

Ah yes, Isreal once again manages to isolate itself from the rest of the world (US aside). I would be calling in their Irish representative and giving them an ear full. Different world :eek:

Burnt

Isreali Diplomat expelled:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/expulsion-of-israeli-diplomat-is-completed-2225668.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/10319210.stm

Kept pretty low key