Race for 4th

BERBA

Mr Alan wrote: »

7 points that could, and most probably will, vanish in a flash over the Chelsea/Arsenal/United games that follow....gonna be close as ****.

i'd take the same outcome of results as last season now if you gave em to me , beat chelski at home , drew with goons and lost to utd , 4 pts id take that now!

Bukman13

BERBA wrote: »

i'd take the same outcome of results as last season now if you gave em to me , beat chelski at home , drew with goons and lost to utd , 4 pts id take that now!

From a United perspective I'd take it too

Kold

Villa

Am I the only one dreaming of winning all 4?

everdead.ie

Kold wrote: »

Am I the only one dreaming of winning all 4?

No we're all dreaming of that
but for some it's a nightmare:P

JerryHandbag

Villa

A good night for Liverpool.....Villa and City having their expected wobble, Spurs having to play the top 3, bound to drop points there....I tipped Spurs to do it but now I ain't so sure. Think Pool have a great chance now but they can't really afford to lose any more games now.....or can they???!!!

They may need to beat Chelsea at home (which would be a great result for United of course)

PHB

Manchester City

I honestly think that Villa and City don't actually want 4th. It's unreal the easy points they are dropping.

I'm happy that Liverpool will really need to beat Chelsea.

I think Spurs are going to get points off one of the top 3. If they can get one win, they can beat Liverpool even if Liverpool put together a huge run. City though have a nice shot at it, if they could just stop drawing.

PHB

Manchester City

Also, I think that Everton are going to finish higher than at least one of these teams, they are on a great run of form.

Le King

Spurs

I think it'll be Spurs, City, Liverpool, Everton, Villa.

Villa always go downhill towards the end of the season.

bUILDERtHEbOB

I did the predictor thing, and it basically came down to the City-Spurs game, whichever side won would come fourth, while a draw would give it to Liverpool.

Would be exciting if that was the case.

PHB

Manchester City

bUILDERtHEbOB wrote: »

I did the predictor thing, and it basically came down to the City-Spurs game, whichever side won would come fourth, while a draw would give it to Liverpool.

Would be exciting if that was the case.

To be honest, I could see this being accurate.

Bukman13

Bukman13 wrote: »

Target is still 69pts.

So far:

Spurs 55pts from 30 games =

1.83 Pts per game.

Man City 53pts from 29 games =

1.83 Pts per game.

Villa 50pts from 29 games =

1.72 Pts per game.

Liverpool 48pts from 29 games =

1.65 Pts per game

City, Spurs and Villa all slightly increased their PPG ratio, while Liverpool's decreased marginally.

Points per game required for a team to reach 69pts.

Spurs 14pts from 8 games =

1.75 Pts a game.

Man City 16pts from 9 games =

1.78 Pts Per game.

Villa 19pts from 9 games =

2.11 Pts per game.

Liverpool 18pts from 7 games =

2.57 Pts per game.

Update-

Target is still 69pts.

So far:

Spurs 58pts from 31 games =

1.87 Pts per game.

Man City 53pts from 30 games =

1.77 Pts per game.

Villa 51pts from 31 games =

1.65 Pts per game.

Liverpool 51pts from 31 games =

1.65 Pts per game

Liverpool have yet to play, so remain the same. City and Villa decrease while Spurs Increase.

Points per game required for a team to reach 69pts.

Spurs 11pts from 7 games =

1.75 Pts a game.

Man City 16pts from 8 games =

2.00 Pts Per game.

Villa 18pts from 7 games =

2.57 Pts per game.

Liverpool 18pts from 7 games =

2.57 Pts per game.

Spurs need just 4 wins to claim 4th, both Liverpool and Villa are facing Match point in every game from now on in. It's looking more and more like City will need to beat Spurs to get ahead of them.

kryogen

Manchester City

Villa are done, the goal difference has been decemated now and the team looked out on their feet tonight, same as last season

City are a joke, they will probably pull off one hell of a performance against us i have no doubt, but other then that they are just a joke, its looking like its between spurs and pool amazingly, spurs tricky games against the big 3 might hurt them, and pool have a on paper easiesh run in

ShamoBuc

It really is going to go all the way as the race continues, so close that goal difference might well be the 'extra' point that decides it.

The Muppet

Tottenham favourites for 4th now IMO. points in the bag and a superior goal different to the other candidates. Three tough games in United Chelsea and Arsenal but there are no easy ones in the run in and I suspect they will all drop points. Liverpool my current second choice to secure 4th have a tough one V Chelsea as well.

ROCKMAN

Spurs

Has the Arsenal v Spurs game been moved

OPENROAD

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Has the Arsenal v Spurs game been moved

Yes now April 14th

kryogen

Manchester City

As long as Liverpool are still in the running when they are playing Chelsea i will be satisfied

GLaDOS

Manchester City

I think if Spurs can get 2 points out of Arsenal, United and Chelsea they'll get forth.

Would be a horrible anti climax if someone was to beat Liverpool to forth, only to go out in the qualifier like Everton

everdead.ie

Bukman13 wrote: »

Update-

Target is still 69pts.

So far:

• Spurs 58pts from 31 games = 1.87 Pts per game.

• Man City 53pts from 30 games = 1.77 Pts per game.

• Villa 51pts from 31 games = 1.65 Pts per game.

• Liverpool 51pts from 31 games = 1.65 Pts per game

Liverpool have yet to play, so remain the same. City and Villa decrease while Spurs Increase.

Points per game required for a team to reach 69pts.

• Spurs 11pts from 7 games = 1.75 Pts a game.

• Man City 16pts from 8 games = 2.00 Pts Per game.

• Villa 18pts from 7 games = 2.57 Pts per game.

• Liverpool 18pts from 7 games = 2.57 Pts per game.

Spurs need just 4 wins to claim 4th, both Liverpool and Villa are facing Match point in every game from now on in. It's looking more and more like City will need to beat Spurs to get ahead of them.

Also if they continue on current ppg average

• Spurs would have 71 points

• Man City would have 67 points

• Villa would have 63 points

• Liverpool would have 63 points

Of course there are lots of other factors that have to be accounted for.

Bukman13

kryogen wrote: »

Villa are done, the goal difference has been decemated now and the team looked out on their feet tonight, same as last season

Yea, Villa's goal difference puts them out of contention at this stage. They are effectively 8pts behind Spurs now. With 7 games left plus the F.A.cup to focus on, I think a squad of that size has no chance of catching up.

ScienceNerd wrote: »

I think if Spurs can get 2 points out of Arsenal, United and Chelsea they'll get forth.

The key for Spurs is these 3 games:

Sunderland (A)
Bolton (h)
Burnley (a)

9pts here would set them up for 4th place. It would give them 4 games against City, Arsenal, Chelsea and United with one win enough to claim 4th imo.

BERBA

Mr Alan wrote: »

if we get it we deserve it. the games spurs have coming up are tough as ****, its not foolish to think they can drop a lot of points in those games witout actually 'slipping up'. City are a tougher one to call. And villa seen to have run out of steam at the wrong time

Ye are gonna get 4th spot coz rafa has guaranteed this.

Kess73

Yep, have to echo what the two lads said. The team that ends up in fourth is the team that deserved it.

If that happens to be Liverpool then even better.

monkey9

Why do Sky and other media outlets always focus on the 'guarantee' that Rafa gave. It's so ridiculous.

It's not like Liverpool fans sat back in October after that press conference and thought 'ah that's grand. I was a bit worried there for a while, but now that i know we'll finish fourth i won't actually watch the season unfold.'

So Rafa was confident, big deal!!

L'prof

Manchester City

Fair play to Liverpool if they can pull this one out of the bag. They're hitting form at just the right time. For me, it's between them and Spurs but, with the fixtures Spurs have coming up, I'd have to say Liverpool. I'm not completely discounting City as they still have a chance but, they're very hit and miss and don't have an easy run in either!

BERBA

jasonorr wrote: »

Fair play to Liverpool if they can pull this one out of the bag. They're hitting form at just the right time. For me, it's between them and Spurs but, with the fixtures Spurs have coming up, I'd have to say Liverpool. I'm not completely discounting City as they still have a chance but, they're very hit and miss and don't have an easy run in either!

to be fair your decision above doesnt surprise me with you being an arsenal fan

The way i see it spurs have sunderland (a) bolton(h) and burnley (a) , these games are massive, if they manage to pick up 9 pts in those 3 games, i think all we need from arsenal city chelski and utd is another 3 points bearing in mind the cushion we already have and im basing this on the pool picking up 5 wins and a draw in their last 6 ( draw potentially against either chelski or brum).

L'prof

Manchester City

BERBA wrote: »

to be fair your decision above doesnt surprise me with you being an arsenal fan

The way i see it spurs have sunderland (a) bolton(h) and burnley (a) , these games are massive, if they manage to pick up 9 pts in those 3 games, i think all we need from arsenal city chelski and utd is another 3 points bearing in mind the cushion we already have and im basing this on the pool picking up 5 wins and a draw in their last 6 ( draw potentially against either chelski or brum).

Explain this!

Spurs have Arsenal, Chelsea, United & City to play. That's a ridiculously tough run-in. Liverpool just have Chelsea. We'll just say that it's 7 points Liverpool have to make up, that's very doable with the run-ins both teams have, it will be close but, my money's on Liverpool!

BERBA

jasonorr wrote: »

Explain this!

Spurs have Arsenal, Chelsea, United & City to play. That's a ridiculously tough run-in. Liverpool just have Chelsea. We'll just say that it's 7 points Liverpool have to make up, that's very doable with the run-ins both teams have, it will be close but, my money's on Liverpool!

that same set of fixtures last season we took 7 points from 12 from , dont see any reason why we couldnt get at least the very minimum of 3 points ,but again its all dependant on us beating the so called lessor lights and picking up maximum points in those fixtures. If we collapse and pool get 4th then fair play they'll deserve it but i dont understand how logically being 7 points off the pace this morning with only 7 games left you think their favs for 4th bearing in mind bold print above.

L'prof

Manchester City

BERBA wrote: »

that same set of fixtures last season we took 7 points from 12 from, dont see any reason why we couldnt get at least the very minimum of 3 points ,but again its all dependant on us beating the so called lessor lights and picking up maximum points in those fixtures. If we collapse and pool get 4th then fair play they'll deserve it but i dont understand how logically being 7 points off the pace this morning with only 7 games left you think their favs for 4th bearing in mind bold print above.

I wouldn't say they're favourites because of the points on the board but, having to play those 4 teams in their last 7 games? I think it might be too much. Who knows, maybe Spurs finally have a squad that can play consistently well over the course of an entire season but, it's still a bigger ask than Liverpool.

What point were you making here, you didn't respond to that bit of my post:

BERBA wrote: »

to be fair your decision above doesnt surprise me with you being an arsenal fan

BERBA

jasonorr wrote: »

I wouldn't say they're favourites because of the points on the board but, having to play those 4 teams in their last 7 games? I think it might be too much. Who knows, maybe Spurs finally have a squad that can play consistently well over the course of an entire season but, it's still a bigger ask than Liverpool.

What point were you making here, you didn't respond to that bit of my post:

I assumed maybe a biased approach on your part, my mistake so apologies for that. We dont get in to this position too often and i reckon if we dont do it this season , the chance is gone coz liverpool wont have as bad a season again!

L'prof

Manchester City

BERBA wrote: »

I assumed maybe a biased approach on your part, my mistake so apologies for that. We dont get in to this position too often and i reckon if we dont do it this season , the chance is gone coz liverpool wont have as bad a season again!

Nah, I actually like Spurs and the football they play (don't tell anyone)! If it happened that we were constantly missing out on champions league football at ye're expense, that could all change very quickly, I'm fickle like that The thing with Spurs is that they always look like they're a few players short of consistently challenging for the champions league spots! Harry is a decent manager but, he has had money to spend. Is the team improving enough under him? I don't know.

Former Great

Lads is it just me or is anyone else on here supremely confident of Liverpool getting fourth spot .. City and Spurs are going to drop points for sport on this run in..If Liverpool can get 3 points against bermingham sunday , i would put my house n them getting 4th.. I see them struggling at st andrews but winning the remaining 5 and still comfortably get 4th after Spurs and City **** themselves..

syngindub

Manchester City

unfortunatly i also see Liverpool getting 4th spot. Spurs and City will loose their bootle at the very last few games. Great season by Spurs though

Bukman13

Remaining Fixtures:

Date|Spurs|Liverpool| Man City
3rd Apr|Sunderland (a)||Burnley (a)|
4th Apr||Birmingham (a)||
11th Apr||Fulham (h)|Birmingham (h)|
14th Apr|Arsenal (h)|||
17th Apr|Chelsea (h)||Man United (h)|
19th Apr||West Ham (h)||
24th Apr| Man United (a)|Burnley (a)| Aresnal (a)|
1st May| Bolton (h)| Chelsea (h)| Villa (h)|
5th May| Man City (a)||Spurs (h)|
9th May|Burnley (a)| Hull (a)|West Ham (a)|


If Spurs win next week against Sunderland I would have them as big favourites.

Liverpool still have Birmingham (a) and Chelsea (h), they can only afford to drop 2/3 more pts imo any more than that and they won't get 4th.

The Spurs V City game could also be huge if all three teams still have a chance when it's played.

SuprSi

Manchester City

Bukman13 wrote: »

If Spurs win next week against Sunderland I would have them as big favourites.

I'd go along with this. That would be a big 3 points, and would put us on 61. If we win at home to Bolton, and win away at Burnley (last game) that would be 67 points, meaning a couple of points from the Arsenal/Chelsea/Utd/City games would most likely be enough.

Xavi6

Spurs

6 points from Burnley/Birmingham is a must if we're to have any chance.

PHB

Manchester City

A lot will be known by the time Spurs play Arsenal. If Liverpool or Man City don't get 6 points in those two games, or if Spurs don't beat Sunderland, the situation will have changed a lot. If Spurs beat Sunderland and then by the time they've to play the big 3 in succession have even more breathing room, they'll be able to relax and will probably get more points from the top 4 than otherwise.

If they play the top 4 trying to play a tight game hoping to nick a draw because they need it, I've no doubt they'll lose. But if they go gung-ho, the Spurs way, against all three of them, I'd expect them to catch one of them out.

K-9

Manchester City

The plot thickens AGAIN.

Villa back in with a shout too.

Vanbis

Alan Hansen said Spurs would bottle it and it seems so today against Sunderland. Villa win puts them back in it but still alot to do.

Man City will be favourites if they win this evening against Burnley and I can see them winning 3-0 at least. L'pool will be under a bit of pressure against the Brums tomorrow which will be tough.

Helix

Bukman13 wrote: »

Remaining Fixtures:

Date|Spurs|Liverpool| Man City
3rd Apr|Sunderland (a)||Burnley (a)|
4th Apr||Birmingham (a)||
11th Apr||Fulham (h)|Birmingham (h)|
14th Apr|Arsenal (h)|||
17th Apr|Chelsea (h)||Man United (h)|
19th Apr||West Ham (h)||
24th Apr| Man United (a)|Burnley (a)| Aresnal (a)|
1st May| Bolton (h)| Chelsea (h)| Villa (h)|
5th May| Man City (a)||Spurs (h)|
9th May|Burnley (a)| Hull (a)|West Ham (a)|


If Spurs win next week against Sunderland I would have them as big favourites.

Liverpool still have Birmingham (a) and Chelsea (h), they can only afford to drop 2/3 more pts imo any more than that and they won't get 4th.

The Spurs V City game could also be huge if all three teams still have a chance when it's played.

why have you left villa out of that, out of curiousity?

Mr Alan

Manchester City

ha ha City 3 up after 6 mins, fans leaving already ha ha

Handsome Bob

WTF

SlickRic

it's City's 4th place to throw away.

it has been for a number of weeks now.

Mr Alan

Manchester City

i'd agree wit that Ric, however, they do have a tough few games left.

flahavaj

Manchester City

Helix wrote: »

why have you left villa out of that, out of curiousity?

Realism.

Come on now.

Jeez not a word out of BERBA, he only seems to come in here to mouth off on that rare occasion that Spurs are actually doing well.:pac:

Liverpool still favourites IMO, City have United, Villa, Arse and Spurs all to play in a row.

Never doubted Pool all season tbh.

noodler

Manchester City

Jesus we have to win tomorrow.

Mr Alan

Manchester City

yea, it'd be a massive win for us.

noodler

Manchester City

I know its Captain obvious stuff but for City to be 5 points ahead (as they are not pretty much) with a game in hand would be hugely damaging.

Got to hit Brum early.

therecklessone

flahavaj wrote: »

Jeez not a word out of BERBA, he only seems to come in here to mouth off on that rare occasion that Spurs are actually doing well.:pac:

I suggest you PM him if you're that concerned about his absence.

Mr Alan

Manchester City

hugely damaging alright but i won't be commiting suicide just yet if we draw or even lose, they've a real tough run of fixtures coming up and this is just a crazy crazy season

flahavaj

Manchester City

therecklessone wrote: »

I suggest you PM him if you're that concerned about his absence.

^^^^^^^^^^

LOL, misses being a mod.:pac: