Hooliganism issues in LOI {Mod Note #1}

CSF

CiaranC wrote: »

:rolleyes:

What is this face supposed to imply? That you don't?

stovelid

Any chance of splitting off the Luasgate stuff into a separate thread so we can talk about Shamrock Rovers FC Talk/Gossip/Rumours and all that?

Cheers.

CSF

stovelid wrote: »

Any chance of splitting off the Luasgate stuff into a separate thread so we can talk about Shamrock Rovers FC Talk/Gossip/Rumours and all that?

Cheers.

But its to do with Shamrock Rovers and their terrible hooligan problem.

pokerface_me

Cracking finish from bradser pity he doesn't contribute more often. On the Luas crap, its all done and dusted hopefully the flith involved all get life bans from both sets of club. One thing we all agree on is none of us want to see this crap, so lets talk about the footie.

CSF

pokerface_me wrote: »

On the Luas crap, its all done and dusted hopefully the flith involved all get life bans from both sets of club.

Sorry what? What do you want Shels fans banned for? This isn't a Shels problem, its not even a LOI 1, this is a Rovers problem and their lovely rivals.

CiaranC

CSF wrote: »

Sorry what? What do you want Shels fans banned for? This isn't a Shels problem, its not even a LOI 1, this is a Rovers problem and their lovely rivals.

Your questions have been addressed, stop trolling the thread.

pokerface_me

CSF wrote: »

Sorry what? What do you want Shels fans banned for? This isn't a Shels problem, its not even a LOI 1, this is a Rovers problem and their lovely rivals.

Well im sure the Gardai, Rovers and Shels will identify the culperts and give them life bans and a court apperance. I wasn't there and can't comment on who did what no more than you can.

aliveandkicking

CSF wrote: »

But its to do with Shamrock Rovers and their terrible hooligan problem.

Now you're just being ridiculous. How many were involved with the Luas incident? 5? 10? out of a crowd of 2500 or in percentage terms 0.4% of the total crowd. Terrible hooligan problem :rolleyes:

Now can you please take off your anti hoop glasses and look at things rationally instead of sounding like a tabloid journalist about to write a hatchet job. Rovers do not have a terrible hooligan problem just because a handful of scumbags buy themselves tickets to a match and cause a fight on the luas.

Gavin "shels"

aliveandkicking wrote: »

Now you're just being ridiculous. How many were involved with the Luas incident? 5? 10? out of a crowd of 2500 or in percentage terms 0.4% of the total crowd. Terrible hooligan problem :rolleyes:

Now can you please take off your anti hoop glasses and look at things rationally instead of sounding like a tabloid journalist about to write a hatchet job. Rovers do not have a terrible hooligan problem just because a handful of scumbags buy themselves tickets to a match and cause a fight on the luas.

Was about 20 I'd told at the Belgard stop and a few more at the Tallaght stop. Was loads more going around the Square afterwards too.

Just to point something out here, when the buses into town from Tolka after Shams matches and they were attacked, it was basically the same procedure on the forums complaining that Bohs and the guards didn't do anythng, and it being on Joe Duffy, Shams basically doing what the Shels fans are doing now, apart from this is a tad bit more serious as Shels fans were actually properly assualted.

CiaranC

Gavin shels wrote: »

Was about 20 I'd told at the Belgard stop and a few more at the Tallaght stop. Was loads more going around the Square afterwards too.

Just to point something out here, when the buses into town from Tolka after Shams matches and they were attacked, it was basically the same procedure on the forums complaining that Bohs and the guards didn't do anythng, and it being on Joe Duffy, Shams basically doing what the Shels fans are doing now, apart from this is a tad bit more serious as Shels fans were actually properly assualted.

I saw kids covered in blood coming into Tolka in 2008, after being attacked outside.

So was a complaint actually made to the Gardai over this?

CSF

CiaranC wrote: »

I saw kids covered in blood coming into Tolka in 2008, after being attacked outside.

So was a complaint actually made to the Gardai over this?

Yes and our club is appealing for more information on it.

aliveandkicking

The Luas incident made it into the indo this morning. It seems some Shels fans involved were not entirely innocent either....

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/no-security-on-luas-as-football-thugs-ran-riot-2058042.html

No security on Luas as football thugs ran riot

By Breda Heffernan


Thursday February 11 2010

THERE were no security guards on a Luas tram when warring football fans clashed last week.

The incident happened on the Red Line as supporters of Shamrock Rovers and Shelbourne FC travelled home after a pre-season 'friendly' in Tallaght Stadium last Friday night.

Witnesses reported that a group of known Shelbourne fans, who have been banned from the team's home stadium, Tolka Park, began shouting abuse at Rovers supporters at the Belgard stop. A mass fight between the two groups ensued.

Gardai in Tallaght are investigating the incident and Luas operator Veolia Transport said it had handed over CCTV footage taken from the tram.

No passengers or staff were hurt in the incident, which occurred at about 10.30pm.

However, terrified passengers on the packed tram said they were left "very exposed" due to a lack of security guards.

A spokesperson for Veolia defended security arrangements for the Luas and said the company worked closely with gardai and Shamrock Rovers. However, she confirmed that no security guards were on the tram.

John Byrne, spokesman for the Shamrock Rovers Supporters' Club, said his officials were working with the gardai, Luas and the FAI to try and identify the troublemakers.

He added that if they were found to be Rovers' fans, then they would be banned from Tallaght Stadium.

Shelbourne FC declined to comment.

- Breda Heffernan

Dave!

/goes to Shels thread to troll

Hard Worker

It's good that CCTV footage was handed over to the Gardai. Hopefully, some of the culprits from both sides ( Shels troublemakers identified by two Club officials ) can be identified and dealt with. This was probably a pre-arranged meet between two sets of twats, similar to the Dorset Street cases.
The indo statement above says that no passengers were injured.

stovelid

Hard Worker wrote: »

The indo statement above says that no passengers were injured.

Not meaning to continue this either, but the original reports suggested all sorts: severe injuries, knives and whatnot.

As for people who ring into Joe Duffy for a whinge. He said something on his show yesterday about past incidents where 'Bohemians supporters were attacked in Hardwicke street', which I can only assume he's mixing up with the attacks on our buses down there. He then told everyone that Bohs supporters are 'no angels' for good measure. No qualification of this: just conjecture on daytime radio.

Basically: thinking that shows like this are good for your minute of propaganda is misguided. They'll misrepresent and blacken the name of any of our clubs to get listeners.

CSF

As someone who was on that Luas, I can say very comfortably that the Independent article in question has to be 1 of the worst pieces of journalism I have ever seen and is based entirely in fantasy. They should be ashamed of themselves.

dreamers75

CSF wrote: »

As someone who was on that Luas, I can say very comfortably that the Independent article in question has to be 1 of the worst pieces of journalism I have ever seen and is based entirely in fantasy. They should be ashamed of themselves.

rovers fan?

CSF

dreamers75 wrote: »

rovers fan?

Shels. The implication that this was a fight between 2 sets of hoolies as opposed to an attack on innocent fans is a difficult 1 to take considering I was a few feet away from being 1 of the innocent fans attacked and left in a pool of blood. Why a newspaper would want to report on something they've absolutely no information on I just can't understand, I can only imagine its salt in the wounds for the people who were attacked.

dreamers75

CSF wrote: »

Shels. The implication that this was a fight between 2 sets of hoolies as opposed to an attack on innocent fans is a difficult 1 to take considering I was a few feet away from being 1 of the innocent fans attacked and left in a pool of blood. Why a newspaper would want to report on something they've absolutely no information on I just can't understand, I can only imagine its salt in the wounds for the people who were attacked.

Oh i know your a shels fan

Your doing what you accused the rovers fans 8 pages or so ago of doing with the "head in the sand" jibes.

We all have a % of scum fans, rovers have more fans so they have more.....simples.

CSF

dreamers75 wrote: »

Your doing what you accused the rovers fans 8 pages or so ago of doing with the "head in the sand" jibes.

How? I was there and know what happened. I was pretty close to being one of those people battered, and I'm certainly not a hoolie.

Gavin "shels"

aliveandkicking wrote: »

The Luas incident made it into the indo this morning. It seems some Shels fans involved were not entirely innocent either....

Yes they were, the article is pure boll**ks.

Hard Worker wrote: »

Hopefully, some of the culprits from both sides ( Shels troublemakers identified by two Club officials ) can be identified and dealt with. This was probably a pre-arranged meet between two sets of twats, similar to the Dorset Street cases.

WTF????


It's set out straight on liveline yesterday, http://www.rte.ie/radio1/liveline/ third podcast down. "Brendan" was one of the lads attacked and is what happened unlike what the tripe that's being spread around. Also to point out, none of the three attacked parties have or have ever been barred from Tolka.

Gavin "shels"

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/gardai-hunt-football-thugs-in-brutal-luas-attack-on-rival-fans-2058612.html

In the Herald too.

CSF

Gavin shels wrote: »

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/gardai-hunt-football-thugs-in-brutal-luas-attack-on-rival-fans-2058612.html

In the Herald too.

At least Rovers have come out and condemned it, hopefully it is followed up on and they're banned from LOI games anywhere and put on proper criminal charges for GBH.

Dave!

Shamrock Rovers FC have condemned the attack. Club spokesman John Byrne said: "Since the move to Tallaght we've enjoyed fantastic success and were not going to tolerate anti-social behaviour.

"Our club is on the way up and we don't want to be associated with this kind of thuggery. If they are identified they will never get anywhere near the stadium again, they're history."

So can we move on then? Great

Maybe you can go discuss your own club now

stovelid

Gavin shels wrote: »

WTF????

You're missing the point.

Of course that account is true. Those lads got slapped and that's awful. Hopefully CCTV will bring up IDs and subsequent action.

The point that we're making is that your caller, your club and anybody else are selectively ignoring the fact that there was definitely a meet between the two sides. Now, while that doesn't condone what happened (especially to the three callers) in any way, it makes the general moralizing and jibes about our support being the only one with an element look a little bit stupid and selective.

Now that the club have made a statement, can we please the fuck get back to discussing our pre-season? This has been done to death.

I bet that no premiership club thread on here would have been allowed to go off-topic as long as this one has.

Zebra3

Don't worry Gavin, Shamrock Rovers commitment to wiping out hooliganism.

Lest we forget....

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20060723/ai_n16667559/

stovelid

Zebra3 wrote: »

Don't worry Gavin, Shamrock Rovers commitment to wiping out hooliganism.

Lest we forget....

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4161/is_20060723/ai_n16667559/

Youse know all about club execs that throw digs around, in fairness.

That said, it's hard to complain though seeing as it was Roddy on the end of it that time.

CSF

stovelid wrote: »

are selectively ignoring the fact that there was definitely a meet between the two sides

I don't know what you're basing this on. Do you think the meet was at the luas stop elsewhere? The Shels fans who were beaten up are definitely not hooligans of any kind. We were being singled out by the minute we arrived at the Luas stop. There was Rovers scum all over the place asking who was Shels fans, until they were moved on by the guards, unfortunately they only went to the next stop and got to do the exact thing they had planned. Attack innocent Shelbourne fans. I'm very lucky to not be 1 of them.

major bill

CSF wrote: »

I don't know what you're basing this on. Do you think the meet was at the luas stop elsewhere? The Shels fans who were beaten up are definitely not hooligans of any kind. We were being singled out by the minute we arrived at the Luas stop. There was Rovers scum all over the place asking who was Shels fans, until they were moved on by the guards, unfortunately they only went to the next stop and got to do the exact thing they had planned. Attack innocent Shelbourne fans. I'm very lucky to not be 1 of them.

ive been hearing that cos some shels fans were wearing designer gear associated with casual scene they were started on any truth in that?? if so quite sad that ye cant wear good clothes without getting a slap.

CSF

major bill wrote: »

ive been hearing that cos some shels fans were wearing designer gear associated with casual scene they were started on any truth in that?? if so quite sad that ye cant wear good clothes without getting a slap.

I don't think that was the case, but as you said, even if it was, it doesn't justify it. Having been on the luas itself, its all the worse to hear the people being accused of being more than innocent, as you just wonder 'what if that was me, would I be getting accused of going looking for it?'

CiaranC

Ive heard what happened first hand. Shame a few innocents got caught up in it, but if you dont want trouble when you travel maybe you should look at your own ranks.

Tallaght is not Longford where you can throw your weight around like big hard lads.

CSF

CiaranC wrote: »

Ive heard what happened first hand. Shame a few innocents got caught up in it, but if you dont want trouble when you travel maybe you should look at your own ranks.

Tallaght is not Longford where you can throw your weight around like big hard lads.

Do enlighten as to what happened then, since you know better than someone who was there..

CiaranC

CSF wrote: »

Do enlighten as to what happened then, since you know better than someone who was there..

See that line below? Thats the one im drawing under this discussion. Poor darling innocent Shels fans will have to be content with the club officially condemning and offering to help the Gardai any way they can, saying theyll ban any fan identfied as being involved, repeated condemnations by our fans on here of this incident which was beyond our control, away from the ground and is a general public order issue, the likes of which happens every other day on the LUAS red line.

_________

Now seriously, stop trolling the thread. If you want to discuss this, start a new thread so we can all ignore it. Im putting you on my ignore list now, so dont bother replying.

SantryRed

CiaranC wrote: »

Ive heard what happened first hand. Shame a few innocents got caught up in it, but if you dont want trouble when you travel maybe you should look at your own ranks.

Tallaght is not Longford where you can throw your weight around like big hard lads.

They weren't looking for trouble. They were merely getting public transport home to the area where they live!

Zebra3

Sorry to disappoint Rovers apologists...

http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=1418

TheBigLebowski

Zebra3 wrote: »

Sorry to disappoint Rovers apologists...

http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=1418

Good to see Rovers, the FAI and the Gardai are working together on this and the incident has been reported officially. Can we leave it at that then?

Zebra3

stovelid wrote: »

I'm delighted for yis.

Now, be sure to let us know when you and the other wet-the-beds are OK about us having this thread back to discuss our team won't you?

:rolleyes:

Amazing how you lot react when the shoe is on the other foot.

Different story when your fans were being attacked around Dorset St.....

TheBigLebowski

Zebra3 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Amazing how you lot react when the shoe is on the other foot.

Different story when your fans were being attacked around Dorset St.....

I've a pain in my hole with this. What do you want?

All this "You started it by whinging about us. No, you started it. No, you did" ****e. Grow up.

Both clubs, the Gardai, the FAI and the LUAS are all working together to investigate the reported and well publicised incident. So I'll ask again, what more do you want?

aliveandkicking

Zebra3 wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Amazing how you lot react when the shoe is on the other foot.

Different story when your fans were being attacked around Dorset St.....

Wrong, we accepted there it was nothing to do with Bohs as a club but was a Garda public order issue. Despite them being our biggest rivals we didn't go around labeling all Bohs fans as hooligans and scum or that Bohemian FC had a head in the sand attitude towards it like Shels fans have done on here and elsewhere over the last week.

Here is the thread from our forum when we were attacked on our way to and from Tolka on a regular basis. Notice how it's the Garda inaction we were complaining about rather than blaming all Bohs fans or Bohs as a club.

http://www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3763

SRFC as usual went quietly about their business liasing with the Gardai to ensure there was a police presence at that location when there was a match on. No hysterics, no labeling all bohs fans as hooligans, just an effort to ensure that it didn't happen again. Same as now with the Luas incident, liasing with the Gardai and Shels to make sure something like this doesn't happen again and trying to identify those involved and banning them. Despite being told this a week ago Shels fans here and elsewhere are still trotting out the ususal lines "rovers fans are scum" "rovers have a massive hooligan problem" "what would you expect with a hooligan on the board" etc. Not a word about why there wasn't security on the Luas, not a thing about why the Gardai didn't feel the need to sufficiently police the area when there was a match on with two big Dublin rivals. Seriously what more do you want SRFC to do?

dfx-

aliveandkicking wrote: »

Wrong, we accepted there it was nothing to do with Bohs as a club but was a Garda public order issue. Despite them being our biggest rivals we didn't go around labeling all Bohs fans as hooligans and scum or that Bohemian FC had a head in the sand attitude towards it like Shels fans have done on here and elsewhere over the last week.

Here is the thread from our forum when we were attacked on our way to and from Tolka on a regular basis. Notice how it's the Garda inaction we were complaining about rather than blaming all Bohs fans or Bohs as a club.

http://www.srfcultrasforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3763

And if the Shels fans or anyone else would like to find a tape of the Joe Duffy show that they are fond of from then, they'll find Jonathan Roche saying that those lads and hence incidents had absolutely nothing to do with Bohs when asked about that.

And he was right.

Zebra3

It is the hypocrisy of Shamrock Rovers FC that sticks.

They say they will bar people involved in hooliganism from their club yet they refused to accept the resignation of one of their own officials covicted in a court of law for a football related incident.

aliveandkicking

Zebra3 wrote: »

It is the hypocrisy of Shamrock Rovers FC that sticks.

They say they will bar people involved in hooliganism from their club yet they refused to accept the resignation of one of their own officials covicted in a court of law for a football related incident.

There you go again. Same old same old. Didn't even attempt to address any of the points I made earlier but then again I didn't expect anything else.

super_furry

aliveandkicking wrote: »

There you go again. Same old same old. Didn't even attempt to address any of the points I made earlier but then again I didn't expect anything else.

Seriously, I wouldn't bother. There's very few people who are actually interested is talking about the issues at hand and how to resolve them and instead just looking for a chance to have a go.

_blank_

This thread is a one stop shop for all the tabloid and Indo journos now.

Nice one.

SligoBrewer

Des wrote: »

This thread is a one stop shop for all the tabloid and Indo journos now.

Nice one.

I was thinking the exact same thing.

Pineapple stu

CSF wrote: »

Shels. The implication that this was a fight between 2 sets of hoolies as opposed to an attack on innocent fans is a difficult 1 to take considering I was a few feet away from being 1 of the innocent fans attacked and left in a pool of blood. Why a newspaper would want to report on something they've absolutely no information on I just can't understand, I can only imagine its salt in the wounds for the people who were attacked.

Shels and innocent are not 2 words that go together

Hard Worker

The final sentence in the Shels statement is the important one.
It's good that witness statements have been made. It gives the Gardai ( and then obviously Rovers ) a chance to act on this. For too long, these type of incidents have gone unreported which means that nothing can be done. Hopefully, the witness statement of CSF, who got a close look at the culprits both at the game and on the Luas, will be of benefit.

CSF

Hard Worker wrote: »

Hopefully, the witness statement of CSF, who got a close look at the culprits both at the game and on the Luas, will be of benefit.

Is that sarcasm or what?

The Volt

Lock this thread please

stovelid

Sad how some people are so obsessed with having a constant go at other clubs, they provide perfect fodder (time and time again) for enemies of the league: be they barstoolers and journalists. Place is turning into foot.ie with supporters ready to throw as much dirt as possible regardless of the collateral damage.

Do you see the supporters of EPL clubs here creating train-wreck threads because a couple of their supporters got a dig in Manchester or Liverpool or city centre?