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Irishmen/women in the British Armed Forces

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    #92
    fuelinjection
    Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭fuelinjection


    elius wrote: »
    Good enough!!

    Ye are too stupid to part of the English Army conscription element.
    So I assume you are just stupid teenagers that cannot carry on argument in public.

    Anyway kids, stay away from foreign armies. They will see you die and don't give a ****. We have no Queen but we do have a Country.


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    #93
    elius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elius


    barney 20v wrote: »
    hummm,,,,, Have you got a problem with me holding my views ?
    This "kip of a country" as you call it... {i disagree } has not started a war in the last decade which has lead to the death of OVER 1 MILLION civilians if my memory serves me correctly ,the armed forces to which your "down and out friend" is aspiring to join is hardly the first choice to seek training and a trade now is it?
    If your friend has the capacity to forget about morals or human rights then i am sure he will fit right in in the ba.....
    If you consider making the[immoral imho]decision to join an armed forces which in the last 7 yrs has helped erase 1 MILLION PEOPLE is "doing something with his life" then i'd suggest you and your friend have a different code of ethics and morals than many people both here and in the UK.

    Ps , i do not know where you are living old pip but the pubs around here are practically empty monday to friday...

    No if i had a problem i would have said so i was more looking to get your opinions thats all. Everyone is entitled to that. I don't hold any grudge against any man you beleave in what you think and you have to be praised for that regardless of weather i agree or not.
    Elius


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    #94
    elius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elius


    fuelinjection wrote: »
    Ye are too stupid to part of the English Army conscription element.
    So I assume you are just stupid teenagers that cannot carry on argument in public.

    Anyway kids, stay away from foreign armies. They will see you die and don't give a ****. We have no Queen but we do have a Country.

    No just not getting into a topic thats never going to be solved. I wont change your views and your wont change mine. Simples really..:rolleyes:


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    #95
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    fuelinjection wrote: »
    No apology was offered (or will be offered ever) but you know that you genius you. Oh how I hate to lock horns with idiots. Please use text message spelling if you are more comfortable.

    You said sorry in your post. That's an Apology.

    You said =
    fuelinjection wrote: »
    Sorry I am having a good old healthy laugh at "our country".


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    #96
    fuelinjection
    Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭fuelinjection


    elius wrote: »
    No if i had a problem i would have said so i was more looking to get your opinions thats all. Everyone is entitled to that. I don't hold any grudge against any man you beleave in what you think and you have to be praised for that regardless of weather i agree or not.
    Elius

    Elius, i have a college degree and i hate name calling just for the sake of it.

    But you are so full of ****, it's just wrong. I hope you don't drive a bus or taxi for a living, just for health and safety reasons.


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    #97
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    fuelinjection wrote: »
    Elius, i have a college degree and i hate name calling just for the sake of it.

    Hows about a capital I or 2 then college boy?


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    #98
    fuelinjection
    Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭fuelinjection


    Zambia232 wrote: »
    You said sorry in your post. That's an Apology.
    You said =


    I laughed at the fact that you used the term "our country"

    It's funny for two reasons ...
    1./ you are not from the majority of this Island when using this term.
    2./ you assume that people on this forum are traitors to their Country ...

    maybe you work for Mi5, I don't care .... either way.


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    #99
    elius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elius


    fuelinjection wrote: »
    Elius, i have a college degree and i hate name calling just for the sake of it.

    But you are so full of ****, it's just wrong. I hope you don't drive a bus or taxi for a living, just for health and safety reasons.

    You have me lost. You just wont let something go. I haven't offended you have i? Whats the problem, i asked your views you gave them. So where's all the needless insults coming from? .


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    #100
    fuelinjection
    Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭fuelinjection


    Zambia232 wrote: »
    Hows about a capital I or 2 then college boy?

    College does not mean smart ... but you will learn that when you leave student.


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    #101
    barney 20v
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    elius wrote: »
    No if i had a problem i would have said so i was more looking to get your opinions thats all. Everyone is entitled to that. I don't hold any grudge against any man you beleave in what you think and you have to be praised for that regardless of weather i agree or not.
    Elius

    Fair enough Elius, but i have clarified my position with regards to my views on this question 4 times now on this post, did you perhaps mis-understand my previous posts?
    Any Irish person who willingly and knowingly joins a military that is involved in the fighting of illegal wars outside the rules of the UN etc is in my opinion no loss to this Republic, they are however imho a shame on this Nation.
    The Irish people hold a unique position amongst the nations of the world thanks to our efforts and considerable success at peace keeping missions around the world.
    To describe this nation as " this kip of a country" says it all to me as to the real issues influencing you and your "down and out friend" ...

    I understand economic difficulties can lead to strange choices but to speak of your home nation in such a manner is imho opinion disgraceful.


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    #102
    elius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elius


    barney 20v wrote: »
    I understand economic difficulties can lead to strange choices but to speak of your home nation in such a manner is imho opinion disgraceful.

    Yey i wont disagree in what your saying and maybe i should have structured the 1st post rather differently. But to me at the moment i feel rather let down buy the people who run this country and by some of the people in it but thats another days work.


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    #103
    barney 20v
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    elius wrote: »
    Yey i wont disagree in what your saying and maybe i should have structured the 1st post rather differently. But to me at the moment i feel rather let down buy the people who run this country and by some of the people in it but thats another days work..

    Might be so bold to suggest your friend who is pursuing a career in the ba might have something very similar to say about the uk government and its people a few years down the line.......
    To join your home nations military in a time of peace with a semi acceptable government who possess some concept of rational foreign policy is imho a perfectly understandable career choice.

    But to choose to serve a foreign nation with a corrupt government who's foreign policy is commonly known to be aggressive and borderline illegal while at the same time underfunding its military is A. immoral,B. stupid.

    No city and guilds is worth sacrificing your morals and shaming this nation.


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    #104
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    fuelinjection wrote: »
    College does not mean smart .

    I know your college Qualification proved that...


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    #105
    elius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elius


    barney 20v wrote: »
    Might be so bold to suggest your friend who is pursuing a career in the ba might have something very similar to say about the uk government and its people a few years down the line.......
    To join your home nations military in a time of peace with a semi acceptable government who possess some concept of rational foreign policy is imho a perfectly understandable career choice.

    But to choose to serve a foreign nation with a corrupt government who's foreign policy is commonly known to be aggressive and borderline illegal while at the same time underfunding its military is A. immoral,B. stupid.

    No city and guilds is worth sacrificing your morals and shaming this nation.

    What do you make of the Irish guards going over to Afghan to train the anp Who in turn will be fighting this awefull war? Along with some Irish military personal already over there?


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    #106
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Yes most posters on here that support peoples free will in relation to the UK are in fact MI5 agents. Well done Walter you have us all sussed.

    You are not exactly disproving my drunk theory.


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    #107
    elius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elius


    @Zambia232 wasting your time :(


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    #108
    barney 20v
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    elius wrote: »
    What do you make of the Irish guards going over to Afghan to train the anp Who in turn will be fighting this awefull war? Along with some Irish military personal already over there?

    Irish guards= a unit of the ba. i have no say over british military deployment or who they are training.
    With regards to the seven pdf personnel currently in Afghanistan they are with the Nato International Security Assistance Force.
    They're deployment did not require the sanction of the Dail and they are working with the UN.
    I am opposed to ANY Irish personnel serving in any capacity with NATO as it weakens our traditional stance of neutrality .
    But we live in a democratic nation and the people in government are not who i voted to govern this Republic.. What is you view on the PDF Personnel in Afghanistan?


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    #109
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    elius wrote: »
    @Zambia232 wasting your time :(

    I disagree for a while I enjoyed it immensely.


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    #110
    fuelinjection
    Closed Accounts Posts: 458 ✭✭fuelinjection


    Any Irish people currently serving in Foreign Armies are hired guns.

    I am not hiding behind some internet name and if I met them face-to-face I would say the same thing to their faces.
    I have worked with several Irish Army people and I have to say I respect them for what they have done and seen.

    Anyway enough with these internet warriors away from Ireland... how do you argue with these muppets that think Irish people have any interest in the Black and Tans ?


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    #111
    Morpheus
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 2,688 Mod ✭✭✭✭Morpheus


    our traditional stance of neutrality

    If you are going to assign an attribute to "our" country's army, then please use the correct terminology.

    We ARE NOT NEUTRAL. For Chrissakes read the g0ddamned constitution.

    we have a foreign policy of non alignment on a case by case basis which we operate under the triple lock mechanism.

    Can you please clarify your reference to the black and tans???

    Also, what if someone from Ireland leaves here and works for a foreign government in ANY capacity? does that ALSO make them a traitor?

    I think you will find that your smallminded total immersion in the 800 years of oppression diatribe, puts you firmly in the minority - dont believe me, then look at the "majority" referendum vote to remove our constitutional claim on the 6 counties.

    Look at the old IRA that then became the new IRA... at what point did they become terrorists?

    At the point that one of those dispicable cowards decided that the only way forward was to inflict terror and murder on innocent civilians. I have no time NOR one iota of respect for any muppet willing to kill innocents of any creed or race, for their beliefs... oh how brave...

    My grand uncle landed in France in a glider with the British Airborne, at same time my grandfather was in the transport corps in the Irish Army during the emergency while my other grandfather was in the Irish merchant navy and was torpedoed by a german U Boat and thankfully he survived unscathed.

    Ive never been prouder of anyone as I am of these 3 men... equally... regardless of uniform.


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    #112
    elius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elius


    Where as neutral as the man on the moon... We might only have 6-7 ADFP in Afghanistan. But where do thousands of American troops stop on there long track to Afghanistan? Who supply's fuel to planes. You might be blind to it put Ireland are fighting "the war on terror" in a round about way. I completely agree with Isaf forces being there.

    Civilians are always going to die in war its just a tragic tragic part of it. The reign in which the Taliban ran fear through the hearts of Afghanistan had to end. They make there money selling heroin. which in turn end up on the streets of Ireland killing Irish people. They harbored terrorists hell bent on causing deaths to thousands of westerners. They murdered there own and anyone who opposed there regime. In which children weren't entitled to education. Not Entitled to look at cartoons on telly. Women not seen and not heard.

    According to Human Rights Watch, bombings and other attacks which have led to civilian casualties are reported to have "sharply escalated in 2006" with "at least 669 Afghan civilians were killed in at least 350 armed attacks, most of which appear to have been intentionally launched at non-combatants. By 2008 the Taliban had increased its attacks using suicide bombers and the targeted killing of unarmed civilian aid workers such as Gayle Williams. The United Nations reports that the number of civilians killed by both the Taliban and the pro-government forces in the war rose nearly 50% since 2007. In the first six months of 2009 595 civilians died at the hand of the Taliban, and 309 at the hands of NATO and Afghan government forces. In the first half of 2008, the Taliban had killed 495 civilians and the allies 276. The high number of civilians killed by Taliban is blamed in part on their increasing use of improvised explosive devices (IEDs), "for instance, 16 IEDs have been planted in girls' schools" by the Taliban.

    as i said the taliban. Are happy to kill there own


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    #113
    elius
    Registered Users Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭elius


    barney 20v wrote: »
    Irish guards= a unit of the ba. i have no say over british military deployment or who they are training.
    With regards to the seven pdf personnel currently in Afghanistan they are with the Nato International Security Assistance Force.
    They're deployment did not require the sanction of the Dail and they are working with the UN.
    I am opposed to ANY Irish personnel serving in any capacity with NATO as it weakens our traditional stance of neutrality .
    But we live in a democratic nation and the people in government are not who i voted to govern this Republic.. What is you view on the PDF Personnel in Afghanistan?

    Sorry ment the gardai
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/dozens-of-gardai-tempted-by-836450000-for-afghan-tour-2062813.html


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    #114
    cyrusdvirus
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    I could spend my time clicking on the report post options here until the cows come home.

    I have been wrist slapped by the mods on this forum for passing comments in the past, and will keep my powder dry, so to speak. However the attitude being displayed by certain posters here is an attitude that imo, holds this country back. All about the 800 years of oppression TM Terrorist IRA/INLA/PIRA/CIRA, all the other letters in the alphabet, scumbags It makes my blood boil to hear the comments of ill-informed, ill-advised, and plain old ignorant posters here calling men and women, who serve IN ANY COUNTRY'S UNIFORM, traitors and mercenaries.


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    #115
    Poccington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    barney 20v wrote: »
    Irish guards= a unit of the ba. i have no say over british military deployment or who they are training.
    With regards to the seven pdf personnel currently in Afghanistan they are with the Nato International Security Assistance Force.
    They're deployment did not require the sanction of the Dail and they are working with the UN.
    I am opposed to ANY Irish personnel serving in any capacity with NATO as it weakens our traditional stance of neutrality .
    But we live in a democratic nation and the people in government are not who i voted to govern this Republic.. What is you view on the PDF Personnel in Afghanistan?

    The DF personnel currently deployed with ISAF are very much under the command, serving and working with NATO forces.


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    #116
    Poccington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    Sorry it took so long to deal with this folks, I've been away from the computer because of work.

    Fuelinjection will be taking 2 weeks off after his little outbursts.


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    #117
    Hobby Horse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭Hobby Horse


    00Blaine00 wrote: »
    Did the test and scored pretty decent, the recruitment sergeant (from dublin by the way) gave me a list of 72 jobs I could do based on my score and told me to pick three...

    1: Paratrooper
    2: Air Corps Ground-Crew Specialist
    3: Royal Irish, Infantry

    I can change these at any time. He handed me some medical forms to get filled in by the doctor and post them back up. After an hour and a half I was on my way...

    I really would stay away from the Parachute Regiment, They're very clannish and it's very much a case of if your 'face fits' barrack life is also quite hard...

    If you join the Air Corps all you'll be doing is fueling and rearming the Aircraft, you won't have any role in the maintainance of it as that's done by REME Air systems Technicians... A lot of people join thinking the can be air crew and it doesn't happen, it's one of those trades that has a high turnover of people (ie they leave)...

    The Royal Irish ... well if you want to join the infantry but really you should at least consider other trades... The old pension scheme is gone now so you won't get an immediate pension when you leave after 22 years (which you'll have to) then what are you going to do?....

    You should really think carefully and you should do your research OUTSIDE the careers office... They're not dishonest but they're very quick to put people into trades based on initial impressions....


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    #118
    Dr.Sanchez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 675 ✭✭✭Dr.Sanchez


    Poccington wrote: »
    Fuelinjection will be taking 2 weeks off after his little outbursts.

    What about barney 20v? There's two of them in it!
    Hobby Horse wrote: »
    I really would stay away from the Parachute Regiment, They're very clannish and it's very much a case of if your 'face fits' barrack life is also quite hard...

    If you join the Air Corps all you'll be doing is fueling and rearming the Aircraft, you won't have any role in the maintainance of it as that's done by REME Air systems Technicians... A lot of people join thinking the can be air crew and it doesn't happen, it's one of those trades that has a high turnover of people (ie they leave)...

    The Royal Irish ... well if you want to join the infantry but really you should at least consider other trades... The old pension scheme is gone now so you won't get an immediate pension when you leave after 22 years (which you'll have to) then what are you going to do?....

    You should really think carefully and you should do your research OUTSIDE the careers office... They're not dishonest but they're very quick to put people into trades based on initial impressions....

    More then likely I'll change them In time, he just put me on the spot there and then. I have the list of jobs I can do and will look each one of them up over the weekend.


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    #119
    OS119
    Registered Users Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭OS119


    00Blaine00 wrote: »
    More then likely I'll change them In time, he just put me on the spot there and then. I have the list of jobs I can do and will look each one of them up over the weekend.

    go for a corps trade - anything RE, RSigs, REME, some of the RA roles - UAV Op for instance - or the RLC (reeeaaally large corps).

    modern combat operations mean that absolutely any role will involve carrying a rifle in a hot, sandy place with the distinct likelyhood that somebody will take a pot-shot at you - you don't need to think 'i want a bit of action, ergo i need to join the Infantry' - so go for a role that you're interested in, that is interesting whether you are in Helmand Province or Catterick Garrison, and that will give you a trade once you leave the Army.

    sadly, few employers are impressed with a CV that says 'i can march 40km with 120lb of kit, get 6 81mm mortar rounds in the air before the first one lands, and live in a ditch for a fortnight'...


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    #120
    Poccington
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    00Blaine00 wrote: »
    What about barney 20v? There's two of them in it!



    More then likely I'll change them In time, he just put me on the spot there and then. I have the list of jobs I can do and will look each one of them up over the weekend.

    Barney doesn't agree with the concept of people joining the BA, however he's actually having a discussion about the topic rather than constantly calling other users stupid, idiots etc.

    He's fully entitled to his views and to express them, this is a thread for people to post their thoughts on Irish people joining the BA after all.


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    #121
    barney 20v
    Registered Users Posts: 980 ✭✭✭barney 20v


    Poccington wrote: »
    Barney doesn't agree with the concept of people joining the BA, however he's actually having a discussion about the topic rather than constantly calling other users stupid, idiots etc.

    He's fully entitled to his views and to express them, this is a thread for people to post their thoughts on Irish people joining the BA after all.

    Thank you very much for the recognition .
    I am not here to be anti British, anti French or whatever..
    If 00blaine00 has a personal problem with the views i hold it is HIS problem.
    Trying to get me booted because i hold a different view to him is childish and i thank the mod for being objective .
    I have insulted no other posters in any of my posts.


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