Rage Against The Machine Dublin O2 June 8th 2010

jack presley

I never understood why people get upset when there's a bad review of a gig they liked in the paper. It's only one person's opinion. If they didn't like it or have some other issues, who cares?

Mickolution

squire23 wrote: »

edit: Anyone know the email address to write to the Editor of the Herald - I actually feel strongly enough to write a response to this tripe later when I get home

What grounds for complaint do you have exactly? What will it achieve to let the editor know that you disagree with a subjective piece in the paper? It's not like it was factually inaccurate.

While I did really enjoy the gig, I do agree with the review. I tried not to take it too seriously, but there was a real pantomime element to the whole thing.

€75 for a ticket, €30 for a t-shirt, €50 for a pair of shorts. Rage Against The Machine indeed. When Zack said something about the "companies burning", I wondered if that included Sony, their record company?

Knifey Spoony

I knew that it won't be long before the price of the gig came up again :rolleyes:. Do people really think that Rage control the cost of the gig and all the merchandise? Every gig that is played here is generally more expensive. Plus, if you really wanted a t-shirt why not buy one from one of the people outside for €10? For me the it was worth every penny.

Right up there in the top 3 gigs I've EVER been to, and I've pretty much seen everyone!! I went to see the Fun Lovin Criminals tonight and they played the riff from Bulls on Parade at the end!

This was a better gig than Oxegen IMO. Oxegen will always hold a special place in my heart because having grown up on Rage and then being so gutted when they broke up I was certain I'd missed the boat on seeing them. Audioslave was as close as I thought I'd ever get to seeing them so that day was just amazing for me, but this was THEIR gig. No poxy Fratellis and Kaiser Chiefs to put up with (who in the hell planned that anyway!), and I thought the setlist was better this time!! Plus I LOVE Zachs political rants (even though some people seem to have missed the point of them altogether) which Oxegen also lacked.

The crowd need to give themselves a proper pat on the back too, that was the best workout I've gotten in ages!! :pac: I was right up the front, shirt off, moshing like I was a teen again. I loved every minute of it. And it's great to see the community spirit is still there in moshpits, if someone falls down, pick 'em up. Love that.

Oh, and that "journalist" from the Herald....well, what a complete and utter serving of dump that was. I feel dumber for having put myself through the 2 minutes it took to read it. There was no "review", merely a spiteful piece about what he perceives to be a paradox in the fact that a band required you to pay to go to see them. He must have forgotten that ticket prices in this country are appallingly high and that the bands have very little influence on this. Maybe he wanted them to do a world tour for free and bankrupt themselves so that we never see them again?! :rolleyes: Next time maybe he should talk about what happened at the gig, ie a band in flying form, a crowd buzzing with the kind of energy that you will maybe see at a handful of gigs in your lifetime and a gig that all of those in attendance came home content from with beaming smiles .... except for him, although I'm fairly sure he was actually too busy typing his review on his laptop at the gig (if he even went at all) to watch and and see what was happening. I didn't see anybody obeying a command to put their shirt back on during the final lines of Killing in the Name, though I suppose "facts" probably weren't high on his agenda).

All in all, 10/10 for me. Great stuff. Please come back!!

Mickolution

Knifey Spoony wrote: »

I knew that it won't be long before the price of the gig came up again :rolleyes:. Do people really think that Rage control the cost of the gig and all the merchandise? Every gig that is played here is generally more expensive. Plus, if you really wanted a t-shirt why not buy one from one of the people outside for €10? For me the it was worth every penny.

I wasn't complaining about the price, the gig itself was great and when compared to other gigs, it was only a little more expensive, but standard enough for a band of their stature. It just grates a lot when they're on stage going on about socialism and the like, when prices are what they were. It belittles their principals a bit, don't you think?

dceire

Deleted User wrote: »

Right up there in the top 3 gigs I've EVER been to, and I've pretty much seen everyone!! I went to see the Fubn Lovin Criminals tonight and they playedthe riff from Bulls on Parade at the end!

This was a better gig than Oxegen IMO. Oxegen will always hold a special place in my heart because after growing up on Rage and then being so gutten when they broke up I was certain I'd missed the boat on seeing them. Audioslave was as close as I thought I'd ever get to seeing them but that day was just amazing, but this was THEIR gig. No poxy Fratellis and Kaiser Chiefs to put up with (who in the hell planned that anyway!), and I thought the setlist was better this time!! Plus I LOVE Zachs political rants (even though some people missed the point of it altogether) which Oxegen also lacked.

All in all, 10/10 for me. Great stuff. Please come back!!

Well said my friend, couldn't have put it better myself.

I was in the same boat as you, thinking I had missed the Rage boat &, much as I love them, seeing Audioslave was as close as I would ever get. Oxegen was special but the other night in the Point was perfection as far as a Rage gig is concerned. They were amazing and the crowd just made it. Some might think ill of rock/metal heads what with all the moshing and 'violent' behaviour but they just don't get it. Every time I see someone fall in the pit and people stop to help them up and that story about the people helping that guy find his wedding ring warms my little Irish heart.

RAGE ON MY HARD ROCKING AMIGOS!

PS: I'd like to nominate Chris Wasser for the 'Biggest Douche in the Universe Award'

Knifey Spoony

Mickolution wrote: »

I wasn't complaining about the price, the gig itself was great and when compared to other gigs, it was only a little more expensive, but standard enough for a band of their stature. It just grates a lot when they're on stage going on about socialism and the like, when prices are what they were. It belittles their principals a bit, don't you think?

Like I said in my earlier post and as Neil1984 echoed above, the band have no control over the price of the gig, so really i don't think that it belittles their point at all. It really just fits in with the whole wealthy screwing over the working class speech that was given.

MrPirate

claireblossom wrote: »

John! Hi, its Claire, I hung out with you in the que, small world!

Best.Gig.Ever. Was at the barrier for the whole thing, from start to finish, I've never been so squished in my whole life, 2 days on and I still can't breathe with the pain. My friend was only 14 and it was her first time ever in a mosh pit, she did so well to last the night, I think we were the only girls in the first few rows who didn't get pulled out.
I' still in shock, I honestly can't believe how good it was, ****ing loved the Gallows(caught the bassists water bottle lol) and Gogol Bordello were amazing but nothing could come close to Rage.

Claire! I was wondering if you'd show up again, I thought I lost you two at the front! xD

dceire wrote: »

PS: I'd like to nominate Chris Wasser for the 'Biggest Douche in the Universe Award'

I second this nomination. It's not a review at all. I wouldn't be surprised if he failed a few modules.


As far as the ticket prices, I had a long conversation with Benji Webb (vocalist of Skindred) back after their gig in March about this. It's the venue that books the band and charges the price, not the band. The price of merchandise isn't up to them at all, it's based on the venue and how much commission that the venue wants to get off the band's merch.

acquiescefc

As above, Rage dont set the prices. In London the same T shirts and caps were £15. Basically they doubled the price of everything in sterling to euro.

savage night tho.. in the same league as Reading 96

Dermo

MrPirate wrote: »

As far as the ticket prices, I had a long conversation with Benji Webb (vocalist of Skindred) back after their gig in March about this. It's the venue that books the band and charges the price, not the band. The price of merchandise isn't up to them at all, it's based on the venue and how much commission that the venue wants to get off the band's merch.

I thought the venue getting commission was only a US thing. I've traveled with a few bands and every time they come to Ireland they, or their merch guys, set their own prices.

On the ticket price, I was kind of annoyed with how expensive this gig was. Some bands do try and get their ticket prices down but ultimately it really isn't up to them, we are the ones stupid enough to be paying the extortionate prices. The prices will never come down until people actually stop going to the gigs.

Toast

Unless you got a look at the contract they had with MCD there really is no way to say how much say they would have had or not. They obviously had an appearance fee but who knows how big that was? Either way if they were blindly letting corporations profit off them it would be worse in my mind than actually having set the prices themselves. In the latter scenario it is possible they were misinformed about the cost of living in the country and told that a 77 euro ticket here was the equivalent of say a 40 dollar one in LA.

ghostdancer

MrPirate wrote: »

As far as the ticket prices, I had a long conversation with Benji Webb (vocalist of Skindred) back after their gig in March about this. It's the venue that books the band and charges the price, not the band. The price of merchandise isn't up to them at all, it's based on the venue and how much commission that the venue wants to get off the band's merch.

maybe for Skindred, but for most big bands, that's not true at all.

the band's appearance fee, and the costs of their show, will be paid to them.
the promoter will then add on their charges (eg. advertising, venue rental, staffing)

the venue definitely don't set prices, as the promoter rents use of the venue, and pays the venue accordingly.


with pretty much every single international band they have their own merch people, and they absolutely set the price of the merchandise they sell, as they own it.

RATM, (or more accurately, their management acting on their behalf), have definitely decided on the price on merchandise.

metzengerstein

definitly a gig not worth the money ,as much as i love rage .i will never be pushed to go see them live again


very slopy and not together at all ,some mistakes also and the tempo of the music wasnt right at all

and im sure rage have some kind of say in the ticket + merch prices and if not why doesnt he do something about it .a big contradiction talking about capotolism and how the recession sucks and this that and the other ,and charging those prices for a show that is half arsed

OutlawPete

metzengerstein wrote: »

very slopy and not together at all ,some mistakes also and the tempo of the music wasnt right at all

There are 'opinions' and then there is just 'being wrong'.

You sir are wrong.

novarock

metzengerstein wrote: »

definitly a gig not worth the money ,as much as i love rage .i will never be pushed to go see them live again


very slopy and not together at all ,some mistakes also and the tempo of the music wasnt right at all

Were we at the same gig? They were on absolutely top form.

--LOS--

metzengerstein wrote: »

definitly a gig not worth the money ,as much as i love rage .i will never be pushed to go see them live again


very slopy and not together at all ,some mistakes also and the tempo of the music wasnt right at all

If you love rage I don't know how in the hell you didn't enjoy that, I don't think 99.9% of the other people there are wrong

This is from the gig at Rock im Park where things did go wrong a little, you can't blame the band for stuff like that, just look at how well they recover........

squire23

OutlawPete wrote: »

There are 'opinions' and then there is just 'being wrong'.

You sir are wrong.

Ha Ha Ha!!! Burned.

Regarding their 'sloppy-ness', I have to say that the few faults they seemed to experience weren't their fault. I don't know if anyone else noticed but Wilk & his drum tech seemed to constantly adjusting things for the 1st number of songs. Also, when Tom's guitar seemingly cut out in the middle of the Sleep Now in the Fire solo I thought they recovered brillantly - goes to show what a tight band they are that they could just keep the tune rolling like that with Zak singing & Tom then coming back in with some real nice understated guitar work before ripping into the riff again

FlashD

Personally I prefer a gig when a band isn't perfect, it feels like my own personal live experience for that show, something that i'm not going to get anywhere else on the tour.

Anyway there's an event on every year if one seeks note perfect perfection, it's called X-Factor.....bloody boring though

metzengerstein

metzengerstein wrote: »

definitly a gig not worth the money ,as much as i love rage .i will never be pushed to go see them live again


very slopy and not together at all ,some mistakes also and the tempo of the music wasnt right at all

As a bass player myself one of the things that I look out for most at any gig is rhythm and timing; and at no point in the night did the tempo feel wrong. They were spot on EVERY song. There is a reason why Tim and Brad are regarded as one of the tightest rhythm sections around, because they rarely put a foot wrong.

Zach sounded like Zach, he sang each song with the same fire and passion that he recorded them with over 20 years ago.

The only thing I can see that would make you say that is Tom Morello? And I found his performance to be pretty spot on. Given how unique his approach to the instrument is, and how he manages to play solos with his leads and pickups rather than his strings, there are of course going to be times when he sounds sloppy. But overall he did a great job of recreating that unique sound.

But I find your attack on the tempo to be laughable. I suppose that your lack of elaboration on this probably says an awful lot.

sabrewulf

First of, I had a good time. Not great, but good.
There was some stuff I found strange: the interaction with the audience was non-existant between most of the songs. There was sometimes total silence for several minutes from the stage.
Happens at a lot of shows, but on that evening, the crowd would stand still and wait for the show to go on, and in the second the first guitar tune from the next song started the entire crowd would go apeshít again. The entire standing area was converted into one huge moshpit, including wall of death, etc. So, respect to the audience! Looks like people really freakin' enjoyed every moment of it.
But still: there is a full audio recording of this 90 minutes gig that easily fits on a 80 minutes CD-R after editing, just by killing 3 or 4 of these "no content" gaps...

milehip1

^at feile 94 they didnt speak to the crowd once
i'm pretty sure anyway,correct me if i'm wrong.

great gig, great crowd, still sore!
t -shirts made in haiti, imported into mexico by gildan activewear, a rather nice coroporation if wikipedia is to be belived(someone asked earlier)

Beekay

Have seen them fours times and they never speak to the crowd besides Zacks rants. Dublin was the most i've seen them speak direct to the crowd when they got everyone on the balcony to stand up!

cdaly_

Brilliant gig. Didn't know RATM before and was dragged there by my teenage son on the night before his junior cert. As my birthday present, he had bought his own ticket...

Seriously impressed by Morello's guitar work. Just amazing. Massive sound.

Gogol Bordello were brill too.

Hair's too short for headbanging so I had to make do with pogoing instead. White Riot. Ah, I remember that from the first time. Son turns to me after "That was your birthday pressie Dad"...

BTW, son left his black full-zip RATM star hoodie behind in stands block L. Rang the venue next day. Nothing there. If anyone picked it up could you PM me please?

TommoD

Best Gig Ive Ever Been Too. The people who didnt enjoy it were probably sitting up in the balcony wishing they were on the floor with the rest of us goin crazy.

OutlawPete

TommoD wrote: »

Best Gig Ive Ever Been Too. The people who didnt enjoy it were probably sitting up in the balcony wishing they were on the floor with the rest of us goin crazy.

I beg your pudding.

I was in the balcony and can assure you every single person in the seats was on their feet going just as nuts as those on the floor (apart from Row 21 as they weren't allowed to stand).

That's the only gig I ever seen in the O2 were people in the seats never sat down.

Which I think says just how amazing the performance was.

hidinginthebush

sabrewulf wrote: »

But still: there is a full audio recording of this 90 minutes gig that easily fits on a 80 minutes CD-R after editing, just by killing 3 or 4 of these "no content" gaps...

Don't suppose you have a copy of this recording and would be willing to PM me a link or burn me one?

I had an absolute blast and would love to hear it again

sabrewulf

pm sent

de5p0i1er

Great gig even if I did lose one of my front teeth at it I had a savage night.

--LOS--

Guess you won't be forgetting that gig any time soon :P

de5p0i1er

--LOS-- wrote: »

Guess you won't be forgetting that gig any time soon :P

I remember it every time I look in the mirror and smile.