Where do torrents come from?

corblimey

(May not belong here)

I don't mean the sites or anything illegal like that. But watching a US TV show these days, not only are the ads stripped out, you don't even see the bumpers. In most cases, it's just a black screen for a second and then back to the show. I doubt that the people who are supplying these torrents are editing them to remove ad breaks, they're just a really neat edit, so I'm wondering if they come from no-ad direct feeds or does TIVO or A.N.Other PVR easily edit out ads these days?

amacachi

They come from regular broadcast and cable showings, it's a fairly simple piece of video editting for the capper/encoder to get rid of the ads.
Have to admit I dislike when the credits are removed at the end.

pickarooney

I've never seen a TiVo feed but I think they auto-snip the ads. If not, it's a piece of cake to horse out the unwanted bits with a video editor. I wonder do the people who do it actually sit through the ads themselves though or risk major spoilerage by pre-editing them before watching sans commercials.

Asmodean

When a Mammy torrent and a Daddy torrent love each other very much they hug in a special way, that's where they come from.

I wonder do the people who do it actually sit through the ads themselves though or risk major spoilerage by pre-editing them before watching sans commercials

That's a good point actually, would have never thought of that! Fair play for people putting in all the effort though to keep us Europeans entertained.

Damien1989

As i understand it, The uploader edits and encodes the files before turning them into a torrent file and posting it on a Tracker.

The better the quality and editing, the More famous the uploader will be in the torrent community (<SNIP> for example)

pickarooney

What kind of fame is that though? Apart from a funkily-capped 4-letter word, what does anyone know about <SNIP>?

Basq

Lads..

Don't mention any group names from now on..

It's these sorta threads that start with a group name mentioned and soon after, torrent site links will follow.

J-blk

It doesn't need a person to manually edit out the ad breaks - on most US networks, the broadcast is now in HD, whereas the ad breaks are not or even if they are, they have different aspect ratios, etc, which the software can pick up and remove automatically. For the most part, the whole process can be automated to produce the desired MKV/AVI from the original source capture...

kierank01

pickarooney wrote: »

I wonder do the people who do it actually sit through the ads themselves though or risk major spoilerage by pre-editing them before watching sans commercials.

I presume you would be able to fast forward through them like sky+, if they had been pre-recorded.

Basq

This is starting to veer into Audio-Video Editing territory..

RobertFoster

pickarooney wrote: »

I wonder do the people who do it actually sit through the ads themselves though or risk major spoilerage by pre-editing them before watching sans commercials.

Some software can detect the split second of a blank/black/common screen between the ads and programme. The cappers probably don't care about the programmes though, ripping for the sake of it.

Minstrel27

Bless the uploaders. They are God's little helpers

TarfHead

I have always assumed that, because they do it so neatly, that they record everything to disk, then use some product to cut out the ads and splice the programme segments together. With content at 25 frames per second, it should be feasible to make a judicious break point, and maybe repeat a few blank frames to smooth out the transition ?

And, yes, God bless them for their efforts, for all they get in return is anonymous respect. (And dogs abuse from the Mrs when the programme she expects isn't available in time !)

Conor108

Interesting article in todays Irish Times

Link

Dymo

I've uploaded loads of stuff to these sites, firstly I record to DVD disc, then then convert it to an AVI file. Then it's very simple to cut the ads out and be very accurate, its not really splicing as you don't have to do any joining as the programme does it for you.

The I upload the location of the file.

(All free Content Distribution items only)

L31mr0d

Why are people still using torrents?

The majority of them probably don't even bother to use any form of encryption.

These people deserve to be caught imo.

In reply to the OP. I've actually wondered about this myself. I mean who are these people that do this?

Like anime for example. The majority of the anime shows are subbed into English by fans. Who are these people that sit down and watch through these shows, writing subtitles for them? Complete waste of time tbh, but I'm grateful they are doing it, saves me the hassle.

naughto

for one torrents are free unlike (rapidshare to name some )and u can get very good download speeds if people seed and if u have you internet set up so you get a different ip address every time u log on them it ill be hard to trace people

pickarooney

L31mr0d wrote: »

Why are people still using torrents?

Because most people are unaware of any free, viable alternative, I imagine.

Dman001

How do they get HD TV Shows up on torrents though?

MOH

pickarooney wrote: »

What kind of fame is that though? Apart from a funkily-capped 4-letter word, what does anyone know about <SNIP>?

It gets your clothes whiter than white?

J-blk

Dman001 wrote: »

How do they get HD TV Shows up on torrents though?

Um, the same way they get the standard definition stuff up? Why would there be any difference? The only difference as far as the process is concerned is the file size, not much else...

Richard Dower

Are we allowed to discuss this stuff?.... <SNIP> is a famous Canadian capper, they all do a great job!, very professional....adverts cut, near perfect editing, no end credits!

The 720p's are all 5.1 sorround, there are lists of SCENE groups out there --->

Richard Dower

J-blk wrote: »

Um, the same way they get the standard definition stuff up? Why would there be any difference? The only difference as far as the process is concerned is the file size, not much else...

It's all HD broadcasts, they just bump it down to 350MB Divx files for people who don't have the time/bandwidth.

The 720's run 1.09GB :eek:

Minstrel27

Richard Dower wrote: »

The 720's run 1.09GB :eek:

1.09GB isn't that much these days.

naughto

for a half and hour show it is.1.09gb would be a 2 disk dvd cos most movies are 700mb

Richard Dower

1.09GB = 41-43 mins show, Spartacus ep. 3 was 56 mins = 1.45GB.

Blu Ray 720p = 4.37GB, 1080p = 8GB!!!!

pickarooney

Richard Dower wrote: »

Are we allowed to discuss this stuff?....<SNIP> is a famous Canadian capper, they all do a great job!, very professional....adverts cut, near perfect editing, no end credits!

The 720p's are all 5.1 sorround, there are lists of SCENE groups out there --->

Well, you kind of went over the line there, I'd have to say.

J-blk

Richard Dower wrote: »

Are we allowed to discuss this stuff?....

basquille wrote: »

Lads..

Don't mention any group names from now on..

It's these sorta threads that start with a group name mentioned and soon after, torrent site links will follow.

I'm gonna guess that no, we're not :rolleyes:.

Might be a good idea to edit out the group name, though it's already been quoted...

Richard Dower wrote: »

It's all HD broadcasts, they just bump it down to 350MB Divx files for people who don't have the time/bandwidth

I know. I was replying to Dman001 and my point was that there is no difference to the whole process if you want to produce an HD or SD rip. They usually start from the same source file and just adjust settings as needed to produce the desired file...

Mr E

Thread edited to remove our 4 lettered capper and the group named by Richard Dower.

Last warning - if I have to edit one more post on this thread, I'm locking it.

Dman001

J-blk wrote: »

Um, the same way they get the standard definition stuff up? Why would there be any difference? The only difference as far as the process is concerned is the file size, not much else...

Well I understand that if a TV Shows is released on Blu Ray that they could just rip that? But lets say we take the latest Lost episode in HD? Do they use a BR Recorder (which very few people would have), or do they have some HD receiver for their computer and record them that way?

It was my understanding that for SD shows people were recording them onto DVDs and transfering them onto their computer. Im pretty sure Tivo has a feature to transfer recorded SD content to your computer too.

Richard Dower

HD receiver, like a tv card....recorded direct on the PC, edited etc. and encoded.

L31mr0d

naughto wrote: »

if u have you internet set up so you get a different ip address every time u log on them it ill be hard to trace people

You don't know what you're talking about do you.

Richard Dower

^ even a dynamic IP can be traced....there are websites online if you input your IP address it'll show exactly where you are, that IP is logged by the ISP which is linked to your account.

There is NO such thing as anonimity on the internet, which is one reason why i use my real name. Can't be arsed....if you're not doing anything seriously dodgy you've nothing to fear + watch what you type/say....it's all cached and can come back to bite you in the a** one day!

J-blk

Dman001 wrote: »

It was my understanding that for SD shows people were recording them onto DVDs and transfering them onto their computer. Im pretty sure Tivo has a feature to transfer recorded SD content to your computer too.

Like Richard mentioned, most people would use a capture card (TV tuner) - there are many HD-capable ones available now, especially in the US. I'm pretty sure the entire process is automated for the really organized groups right from the initial recording to the finished file. That's why a few times you get screw ups like the wrong episode been made available because a TV station airs a repeat instead of a new episode, etc - in most cases, nobody has really checked the file until it has been released to the wild wirly web (and that's why we end up with propers as well).

The movie studios in particular have fought for years to plug the "analog hole", to combat this kind of thing - that's how we've ended up with crap like the broadcast flag:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadcast_flag

Which hasn't become widespread thankfully... Similar concerns have also made a mess of CableCard tuners for PCs, though things seem to be getting better on that front recently.

If the content holders could, they would try to DRM absolutely everything (as they have) - but as it's clearly obvious with Bluray (and everything before it), DRM never really works, it just becomes more of a pain for casual users of those technologies...

viclemronny

Asmodean wrote: »

When a Mammy torrent and a Daddy torrent love each other AND ARE MARRIED very much they hug in a special way, that's where they come from.



That's a good point actually, would have never thought of that! Fair play for people putting in all the effort though to keep us Europeans entertained.

We have to be responsible on what we post on the internet...;)

OT: as said above, it's not that much of a job to edit some stuff out.