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    #62
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    bamboozle wrote: »
    in my view, any company willing to create 300 new jobs should be facilitated in all manners possible. When there was rumblings of Dell pulling out of Limerick it wasnt a delegation from the IDA we saw going over to America to negotiate with Dell, it was our Minister for Enterprise as this was of national importance and needed to be treated accordingly.
    If ryanair are willing to create 300 jobs then any role that any member of our government can play in sealing this deal should be fully encouraged.

    Fair point but not really the same. Ryanair could be accomodated in other ways but MOL is throwign his toys out of the pram to get what he wants. I'm personnally not in favour of benidng over for peopel just because they have somehtign we might want. He shoudl understand he doesnt own or runt he airport, it's not their for him alone.

    What stops him make more demands and doing the same everytime he takes a fancy to something?


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    #63
    Sesshoumaru
    Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    Stekelly wrote: »
    If your renting a 3 bed house for you, your wife and a child that you signed a 1 year lease for , would you be happy if another family decided that because they have 2 kids you should be kicked out of the house and sent elsewhere to rent a smaller house?

    No one is asking a family with a child to move anywhere :)

    I wonder how many unemployed former SRT technicians have young families? I don't know, but almost certainly some of them do!

    At the end of the day between Ryanair and the government they own over half of Aer Lingus anyway. The DAA is an instrument of the state and as Ryanair have shown with their own lease, the DAA probably have the legal right to kick our Aer Lingus anyway.

    So why the drama? No laws have been or could be contravened. We were offered 500 jobs in August, 200 of those are now gone. Someone needs to light a fire under Coughlans ass!


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    #64
    Guy:Incognito
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    Sesshoumaru wrote: »
    We were offered 500 jobs in August, !

    and if MOL ahd asscpted the DAA's decision they could probably have a nice new hanger in the works for him already.


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    #65
    Sesshoumaru
    Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭Sesshoumaru


    Stekelly wrote: »
    and if MOL ahd asscpted the DAA's decision they could probably have a nice new hanger in the works for him already.

    Where is the sarcasm smiley? The management of Dublin airport is a joke!


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    #66
    Welease
    Registered Users Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    Stekelly wrote: »
    The purpose of the DAA is to run the airport and deal with these things. Why the hell does MOL feel he should be able to walk in and decide he doesnt want to have to deal with the DAA but instead have the government do it for him? It smacks of him just wanting to play games with and take the piss out of a government he doesnt like because they are in a bad way.

    Is Mary Coughlan to be available at all times as MOL's private secretary for any and all of his dealings with the DAA? What happens when he wants to put up some new advertiseing hoardings? Does he ring MC and just say "hey you, go get me a good deal"?

    No.. she shouldn't have to, but in this case, if Ryanair has been handled correctly last year we probably wouldn't be in this mess now.. Now it's a case of .. yes she does have to get involved if we want those jobs.

    Don't be so melodramatic, of course noone is saying that she should be involved in putting up new hoardings.. 500 jobs are on the line here, and if it had been handled correctly those job could be a reality now.. We now are struggling to see if we can land 300 jobs, and yes, if her involvement seals the deal then she should be involved..

    Those ministers seem to find plenty of time to be involved in trips abroad to promote jobs, jollies to the All Ireland finals with our diaspora, and photo op's when new plants are unveiled.. I don't see the issue with assigning some time to land 500 jobs.. we are hardly overworked with handling the influx of new jobs into Ireland.

    Everyone knows O'Leary is pushing this for maximum effect because of his dislike for the government.. So what? They have given him plenty of ammunition, and he will have plenty more if we lose the remaining 300 jobs.


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    #67
    CityCentreMan
    Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭CityCentreMan


    Stekelly wrote: »
    The purpose of the DAA is to run the airport and deal with these things. Why the hell does MOL feel he should be able to walk in and decide he doesnt want to have to deal with the DAA

    MOL & Ryanair is Dublin Airport's biggest and most important customer. Ryanair is one of the largest airlines in the world and it is also one of the largest employers in Ireland. Ryanair has a greater influence on our tourism industry than any other company. The DAA has never made life easy for Ryanair & vice versa.

    The DAA is a Govt appointed Quango, a lack lustre semistate body with no interest in creating employment, which consistantly demonstrates it's lack of commercial acumen by the damage that it causes to our tourism sector thru its overinflated cost structure combined with its monopolistic power to pass on its costs to the dwindling number of tourists that come here.

    MOL & Ryanair is the customer in this relationship and if he does'nt want to deal with the DAA on this then he has every right not to do so. On the basis of past performance he probably knows that he would be wasting his time!
    Stekelly wrote: »
    Is Mary Coughlan to be available at all times as MOL's private secretary for any and all of his dealings with the DAA? What happens when he wants to put up some new advertiseing hoardings? Does he ring MC and just say "hey you, go get me a good deal"?

    At the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Something Else but I can't quite remember what it is .....MOL & Ryanair is quite simply the best prospect that she has of doing something positive for employment this year.

    There are 500 jobs at stake here. We need them.

    It is true that MOL could be bluffing and / or just garnering more publicity. For 500 jobs in Dublin, its worth the risk - Call his bluff or get off the pot !


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    #68
    Guy:Incognito
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    Welease wrote: »
    Don't be so melodramatic, of course noone is saying that she should be involved in putting up new hoardings.. 500 jobs are on the line here, and if it had been handled correctly those job could be a reality now.. We now are struggling to see if we can land 300 jobs, and yes, if her involvement seals the deal then she should be involved..
    .

    But if MOL believes the DAA are incompetant (does he not sya the same about the government yet wants them involved?)why will he be willign to deal with them on everythign else but not this?
    CityCentreMan wrote: »
    MOL & Ryanair is the customer in this relationship and if he does'nt want to deal with the DAA on this then he has every right not to do so.

    But the DAA dont have the same option? Hardly fair.

    Why does he have every right anyway? The DAA runs the airport, people wanting to do stuff in the airport deal with them, they know this. It's the same as any of the rest of us or any other company dealign with anything, just on a bigger scale.


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    #69
    Welease
    Registered Users Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    Stekelly wrote: »
    But if MOL believes the DAA are incompetant (does he not sya the same about the government yet wants them involved?)why will he be willign to deal with them on everythign else but not this?

    Why does that matter? Do you honestly think you will get any different answer that what he has already said? It's probably 20% business, 80% vendictiveness .. who knows... only MOL will probably ever know the reason.

    Simply put it makes little to no difference.. the situation as it exists is that he has asked for government intervention to get that hanger.. he was fobbed off for months.. We lost 200 jobs.. There are the remaining 300 jobs on the table if someone can manouver these semi state bodies to do the right thing.. At present very little seems to be happening in the space, bar the usual media bluffing and posturing.

    Which is a big shame for this country and those skilled workers who probably won't see a better offer on the table for years.


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    #70
    Welease
    Registered Users Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    Stekelly wrote: »
    But the DAA dont have the same option? Hardly fair.

    Why does he have every right anyway? The DAA runs the airport, people wanting to do stuff in the airport deal with them, they know this. It's the same as any of the rest of us or any other company dealign with anything, just on a bigger scale.

    So whats to be gained by that stance? 500 jobs go to Scotland... awesome...


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    #71
    Fat_Fingers
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    Stekelly wrote: »
    Why does he have every right anyway? The DAA runs the airport, people wanting to do stuff in the airport deal with them, they know this. It's the same as any of the rest of us or any other company dealign with anything, just on a bigger scale.

    I think the point is he doesnt have to deal with DAA if he doesnt want to coz he had 500 jobs. Goverments all over the europe are asking him to bring those 500 jobs to them. I think you have to look at it as business , not as political decision.


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    #72
    parsi
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    Do these jobs actually exist ?

    Over the past few years the country has been groaning about how the Government and the Banks (I'd love to see MOL running the banks BTW) facilitated certain developers.

    This is a similar situation and we should remove the personalities from the equation and ascertain how the situation would be dealt with.

    Here in Cork Owen O'Callaghan promised a conference centre and hundreds of jobs for Cork if he got PP for Mahon Point. He got his permission but Cork didn't get a connference centre.


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    #73
    Riskymove
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    So whats to be gained by that stance? 500 jobs go to Scotland... awesome...

    MOL could have, at the very least, talked to the DAA about resolving the issue, no one is saying what he wants could not have been done; but the way O'Leary is acting comes across as a form of blackmail...if you want these jobs, the following must be done, no willingness to discuss alternative options my way or the high way,etc

    In any event the DAA already supports thousands of jobs at the airport to be fair and Aer Lingus provide some of them, including at this hangar which is another point being overlooked.....all the other employers seem to be able to manage with the DAA without having such media hysteria

    and some posters here seem to be indicating that ANYTHING should be done in exchange for some jobs, irregardless of what other businesses are damaged or inconvenienced etc

    If the Government caved in here for MOL, whats to stop every company from here on in who are going to create jobs holding out for more favours, where does it stop?


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    #74
    Welease
    Registered Users Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    parsi wrote: »
    Do these jobs actually exist ?

    Over the past few years the country has been groaning about how the Government and the Banks (I'd love to see MOL running the banks BTW) facilitated certain developers.

    This is a similar situation and we should remove the personalities from the equation and ascertain how the situation would be dealt with.

    Here in Cork Owen O'Callaghan promised a conference centre and hundreds of jobs for Cork if he got PP for Mahon Point. He got his permission but Cork didn't get a connference centre.

    You never know with O'Leary :).. but logic would dictate if you are going to spend money on leasing a huge hanger, there is probably a business reason you need it, and there will be associated jobs.


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    #75
    Welease
    Registered Users Posts: 3,834 ✭✭✭Welease


    Riskymove wrote: »
    If the Government caved in here for MOL, whats to stop every company from here on in who are going to create jobs holding out for more favours, where does it stop?

    If we get to the situation where we have people beating down our door to create jobs and asking for favours, then we can deal with that..

    We are a long way away from that situation at present, this is the single major job creation offer on the table.


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    #76
    Mad_Max
    Registered Users Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭Mad_Max


    parsi wrote: »
    Here in Cork Owen O'Callaghan promised a conference centre and hundreds of jobs for Cork if he got PP for Mahon Point. He got his permission but Cork didn't get a connference centre.

    It's totally different in my opinion. PP is obviosuly going to be used to turn a major profit. MOL isn't asking for that. We do not want to go back to those deals of giving PP in return, I'm fine with giving a lease to a building though.


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    #77
    ghost_ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 545 ✭✭✭ghost_ie


    Riskymove wrote: »
    MOL could have, at the very least, talked to the DAA about resolving the issue, no one is saying what he wants could not have been done; but the way O'Leary is acting comes across as a form of blackmail...if you want these jobs, the following must be done, no willingness to discuss alternative options my way or the high way,etc

    In any event the DAA already supports thousands of jobs at the airport to be fair and Aer Lingus provide some of them, including at this hangar which is another point being overlooked.....all the other employers seem to be able to manage with the DAA without having such media hysteria

    and some posters here seem to be indicating that ANYTHING should be done in exchange for some jobs, irregardless of what other businesses are damaged or inconvenienced etc

    If the Government caved in here for MOL, whats to stop every company from here on in who are going to create jobs holding out for more favours, where does it stop?[/QUOTE]

    I agree. Although it would be poetic justice is MOL did get Hanger 6 only to discover next year that he was being booted out because another airline wanted it to created 1,000 jobs and had decided to ignore the DAA and go directly to the Govt


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