Self build cost 2010 ??
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I feel your pain !... The building Industry was supposed to go Metric in 1971. .....
Where I am, we deliberately buy measuring tapes etc that are metric only.
All the material we buy, is, metric. And it's more accurate (for small dim's.)
Perversely, a lot of plasterboard and some OSB, is still made neither one nor the other, but rather, a metric equivalent.......of an imperial size ! (8' x 4')!
...fyi, 3000sq ft (279 sq m) house in North Co Dublin, by a client: all-in cost of €1059/sq m, including VAT.Dromardabu wrote: »..We will hopefully be starting our build in North County Dublin over next couple of months. There's a small old bungalow to be demolished on the site and the plan is a house of 3300 sq ft plus garage (attached)Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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One thing you need to factor in is the method of build. An on-site built house (blocks/bricks) has a bigger labour content, so the price can vary more. A factory-built house (TF/SIP/Steel), has a much lower labour content, so the scope for big savings in labour isn't there. And materials are still increasing, e.g. Kingspan Therma, and other PIR products all going up by 6% - 8% from 22nd September. Celotex by 9%, other stuff by as much as 15%. Ditto for (all) timber (products).What are peoples opinions on direct labour compared to contractor.Ive been told its alot of work going direct labour.Is it worth it? Whats the rough savings on direct labour per sq.foot?
If you are capable, and prepared to a lot of hard work, and for an indeterminate time, it will save money in your account. However, if you can't/don't have the time, it could well work out even-steven to pay someone, and at least to have a finite building period.Ive no construction background at all but ive a brother currenty self building a dormer bungalow with direct labour...he also has not much experience but seems to be doing fine so far so im going to see how he fairs out.
....exactly. Your neighbour is in the trade, and so will get better value, through contacts. If you don't have that knowledge/contacts, then, simply, you won't.homewardbound11 wrote: »look, im building a 3100 sq foot house and garage of 900 sq ft. My Neighbour is doing the same. MY finished builders finish will be 230 to 245 K. This includes legala nd professional fees but no finishing inside. This house complies to current regs and have gone way past this to unsure it will not require heat or at least minimal heating.
My neighbour build a block house did not comply to current regs and now has a builders finish for 145K.
Take what you want from that as both were direct labour. Really you will have to do the research youself. You are not getting the full picture here as every individual case is different. I.E. My neighbour was a plasterer with contacts.
Amen, and +1000mr_edge_to_you wrote: »I get very annoyed when I hear people saying that can't believe these prices because we are in a recession. Businesses still need to make money. If you are importing windows from Denmark or Germany the isn't much recession there. The guy doing your groundworks has to make his monthly payments for his digger. The standard for insulation is increasing every day, with it comes additional cost.
It is reassuring to hear that there are people have spent as much per sq ft as us. When you see the notional of 70e per sq ft here on Boards you find yourself wondering if you were fleeced but then you consider the level of finish you have and realise that's where the money is.
We could've built a 3500 sq ft house for 90e to a minimum spec but we built a 2400 sq ft house for around 130e.
But this is the problem: people have to make a decision on what's driving the project. Performance (of some type, whether of thermal, aesthetic/design), or price-only. You really can't have it both ways. And, every €1 you put into efficiency, really will come back to you, over time.We are renovating but had very little of value left, blockwork and roof (which all need repairs)
It is going to cost about 200k. House size is 250 sq m.
But as has been said every house is completed to a different spec. I'm sure you could get a basic finished house for the 170k mentioned.
Now, I was given these figures this week by an engineer who is planning a passive performance house. I haven't checked them, and so am taking them at face value, ymmv and all that........
Assumption is fuel increasing by 5% p.a. over 25 years.
House of 148.8m2, comparing passive(15kWh/m2/yr) to traditional (174kWh/m2/yr) performance. Using Kerosene as the heating fuel, cost p.a. to heat the two houses is €150 p.a. vs €1741 p.a. and the amount spent on fuel over 25 years then becomes € 7166.22 vs €83125.33, a massive difference of €75959.11.
I will be the first to admit that it's simplistic, and that no-one would actually run out and build a 174kWh/m2 house these days, but even if you half it, or one-third it, the difference is still huge, netting you a 'saving' over 25 years, of anywhere from 38k - 27k over the life of the building. So, the question now is, at what point does the extra for a higher performance building, make sense ? Well, in our case, we have estimated that passive adds 15% to costs. In an example in my mind then, a previously high performance spec of €875/m2, would become €1006/m2 - in which case, our 148m2 house would cost € 129,500 or € 148,888. Taking the fuel calculation above, then, sees that building the passive spec adds €22,988 to building costs, so taking the fuel costs above, you will spend anywhere from €4012 - €15100 LESS over the life of the building, if you were to build to the passive performance. If, as suspected, fuel prices go completely AWOL in the next 25 years, the savings could be exponentially greater.
Naturally, as they say in all the best ad's.......terms & conditions apply ! You have to like the idea of the passive house first, to even contemplate it ( I know many who don't). Then, you have to be able to access the extra €€ to build it, and you have to be able to service the extra cost (if you're borrowing it). Either that or don't change your car for another few years instead !
Finally, as empirical data as I can get my hands on today, approx 3000sq ft, see attached excel sheet. Prices include VAT.Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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with all genuine respect to you galwaytt ( and I am sure you do know this - I just post this comment for others , not to niggle at you )
- there is a world of difference between
a) a price at tender and
b) the final build price
If a contractor under-prices two things are almost inevitable
1/ he won't be able to complete the works or
2/ the works will be completed but poorly and perhaps not even b regs compliantly
That's ok, I'm not taking it personally, but considering that house is one of our ones, and he's built several of ours already, he now knows exactly how much little he has to do to finish it, and that's a big part of the competitive price.
I don't accept 1, in this instance because under the current banking regime, they're not releasing funds in stages like they used to, so he/us are carrying, effectively the bridging of finance. It's in his/our interest it gets done, and quickly.
2 ? Oh that's easy - we don't do 'poor' houses
Which brings another interesting element into the equation, often overlooked: by dint of MMC construction (i.e. factory built), so much more of the costs are both known, quantified, and importantly FIXED, that it's easier to deliver fixed price contracts, accurately.
I don't know a single person who'd buy a car without knowing how much it cost before he paid for it. Ditto, a house from me, for example, unless I agreed fixed price and schedule. It wouldn't work for the client, and it def wouldn't work for us, as a company - we wouldn't know where we were headed.
And that's what's wrong with a lot of 'pricing' as you refer to it: it's not complete, and, in a lot of cases, optimistic - it's not malicious - and may be, as you say, to secure the job. But a lot of the posters on here are using direct labour, etc, so who's managing that 'quote' process.........??Ode To The Motorist
“And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road”
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