Sean Campbell for President of DITSU 2010

Why do you keep bringing up the lecturers when we started out trying to discuss a promise made by a candidate for president?

I felt for the lecturers, ok? But you know who I felt for more than the public servants? those on the DOLE. Yes, the government took 1 billion from the public sector but it also took 1 billion from those on social welfare. I was enraged by the fact they took the SAME amount from two demographics, despite one being substantially better off than the other.

Secondly, let me tell you how cutbacks and the budget in general have affected me, as a student and as a person my age.
1. Cut in my grant.
2. Capatation fee increase.
3. Driving test up to 75e.
4. I didn't get my thesis supervisor until two months in because of the embargo. Also one of my classes began over four weeks late due to a shortage of lecturers. In the end, that lecturer had to cut hours from another course.

Lets not forget those on social welfare. To a huge sector of society, (public sector workers) 1billion stretched across them all does not work out at that much. Working on percentages, I probably lost the same percentage as they did as my grant went down and my fees went up. However, to those on the dole, that 1billion cut hit them a lot harder.

This is seriously off-topic but you asked, so there you go. If anyone should have been protesting it should have been those on the jobseekers allowance.

(Sorry I just feel strongly about this!!! :-) )

Voltwad

Voltwad wrote: »

That remains to be seen. I fully expect him to try take us out of USI, he has the resources at his disposal to run a strong campaign that could well see that happening via referendum.



I've sat on one programme committe in 2 years in DIT as a class rep, the one that did didn't go ahead due to a quorum not being present. I've complained to faculty and to DITSU that they haven't taken place, nothing was done.



The name's Voltwad Also, I'm doing a lot more than a lot of others. I'm co-chair of DIT Labour Youth and we've held public discussions about these kind of student issues with guests such as Ivana Bacik and USI vice-president Dan O'Neill coming in. Turnouts were poor to say the least. We also have 3 members on governing council who constantly stand on the opposite side of the fence to the DITSU sabbatical officers.

Thankfully we live in a democracy where freedom of press exists (to an extent) and I have the right to criticize if I want to, especially if my suggestions rarely even get a serious response.

Well put. I actually agree with everything you said there.
The feedback system in DIT does need to be reformed. Q6a forms go right to the lecturers who weed out the bad reviews.

Lastly, it is your right to complain i apologise! Its just it gets me down when people complain about the SU and DIT all the time, sometimes it feels like no-one sees any of the good they do at all.

FewFew

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I read both of those already.

Ok, Please let me state my points, actually listen to what I am saying and we shall leave it at that.

1. In my opinion, Nevin will not come through on his promise of "reform" of DITSU because it calls for a referendum. It is reformable, I just do not think that amount of effort will be put in when he himself said "putting exams before christmas takes too much time and effort."

2. DITSU is one of the best SUs in the country. However, it still has flaws, i agree. One being voter apathy. DITSU cannot force students to get involved.

3. Fewcifer, channels by which students can reform DIT: Programme committee boards, class rep meetings etc. Sabbaticals sit on governing body, the highest power in DIT, and therefore have quite a lot of power to reform. Also the grangegorman development board, so they have a say in the future of DIT. Also Academic, Welfare, Services, and Trading sub-committees.

Lastly, Vladver, why are you just writing articles in the DIT News and criticising on boards.ie and not getting involved or trying to change anything. Issues can be brought straight to the sabbaticals, you know, who will then try to fix them. DITSU is not perfect, we all know that, but it needs suggestions to improve not constant critisicm.

If Nevin's main objective was to reform DITSU then I imagine any failure to do this would result in a serious black mark on Nevin's cv. It's a very easy thing to point at and use to determine whether or not his presidency was a success or a failure. Organising a referendum is not that big a deal and as I've already pointed out, I'm sure a certain amount of reform could be achieved without one.

Am I right in thinking that the committees etc the sabbats sit on have them largely outnumbered by non students? I'm pretty sure I recall a sabbat saying how he can bring the student's views to the committees but they just ignored him and he seemed to be powerless without more student support. In this way a strong students union is surely a precursor to reform in DIT. As for DIT being easier to reform, it's much more difficult to change contracts etc and work (most likely) against other groups than it is for a willing organisation to change itself (even if a referendum is required.)

To be honest, I support DITSU's position on the whole strike element. Tracey is not a great communicator (unfortunate for a union president) but I think her thrust was generally sound. The USI had no mandate to support the trade unions, and when the USI president came before governing council he was repeatedly asked where he got his mandate and he had no straight answers, he even alluded to a "you scratch our back and we'll scratch yours" reasoning behind the support. Not on. The staff going on strike had a direct detrimental effect on the students and no students union should support damaging it's own members. Yes, the country is messed up, but everyone going on strike achieves nothing except make the situation worse.

projectmayhem

Forget reforming DITSU, mydit mail has been down for days on/off now. Reform that into some gmail action, now.

Stop faffing and get your ass into gear Nevin. Me and a bunch of fourth years are paying close attention to where we want to do masters degrees. Lots of leaving certers are watching this forum to see where to apply via CAO (after the teachers inflate their grades). Don't rest on your laurels.

FewFew

projectmayhem wrote: »

Forget reforming DITSU, mydit mail has been down for days on/off now. Reform that into some gmail action, now.

Stop faffing and get your ass into gear Nevin. Me and a bunch of fourth years are paying close attention to where we want to do masters degrees. Lots of leaving certers are watching this forum to see where to apply via CAO (after the teachers inflate their grades). Don't rest on your laurels.

That's a very good point. Someone made the point during the elections that they were in 4th year and the results wouldn't have any effect on them... but then you see the mountains of postgrad courses DIT offer... yeow.

Sean Campbell wanted to install a gmail system, Nevin said it would "cost one million euro" and it was "a waste of time" and Sean "had not done his research".

So there you go, no gmail now. Or exams before christmas. Or USI.

God I hate mydit.ie... so much.

Anyway night guys you have given me a lot to think about!

FewFew

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Sean Campbell wanted to install a gmail system, Nevin said it would "cost one million euro" and it was "a waste of time" and Sean "had not done his research".

So there you go, no gmail now. Or exams before christmas. Or USI.

God I hate mydit.ie... so much.

Anyway night guys you have given me a lot to think about!

I'm pretty sure somewhere else on boards a Campbell insider claimed that gmail was a sure thing and on its way in. I'll be honest, I doubted him, but I'll gladly be wrong if it means the death of mydit.

Dare I even say... bring back squirrel mail. :pac:

yeah, fewcifer, it was a sure thing if campbell got elected. He didnt.

Dinner

Fewcifur wrote: »

Dare I even say... bring back squirrel mail. :pac:

Woah! Lets not get too hasty!

FewFew

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yeah, fewcifer, it was a sure thing if campbell got elected. He didnt.

That makes no sense. If it was possible under Campbell then it must be possible under Nevin. When such things are in motion they don't just stop when they change the name on an office door in July.

FewFew

Dinner wrote: »

Woah! Lets not get too hasty!

At least the Squirrel had character (and no annoying pop up window madness)

projectmayhem

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Nevin said it would "cost one million euro" and it was "a waste of time"

That's a load of bull. If I can run google apps and a gmail-like system on a box in my house, then DIT can run it on their systems. It's not like having a bit of downtime on the mail server will be unusual when setting this up...

I'm assuming they have the hardware. If they don't have the expertise then they need to remove the IT guys asap. On top of that, Google have been keen to get this working in various campuses. I'm sure they'd be more then happy to lend DIT a hand in changing over... of course some plucky DIT representative will need to have the gaul to go and talk to google first.

Your move, Nevin!

Fewcifer if you actually READ what I am writing- NEVIN SAID HE WOULD NOT IMPLEMENT IT. CAMPBELL SAID HE WOULD. NEVIN WON. Icto facto no gmail. DUH

projectmayhem

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Fewcifer if you actually READ what I am writing- NEVIN SAID HE WOULD NOT IMPLEMENT IT. CAMPBELL SAID HE WOULD. NEVIN WON. Icto facto no gmail. DUH

I think the point being made is that the wheels are already in motion on this switch to gmail, and thus, a new man sitting in office next year can't stop it....

BC

projectmayhem wrote: »

I think the point being made is that the wheels are already in motion on this switch to gmail, and thus, a new man sitting in office next year can't stop it....

Assuming the wheels were actually in motion which is doubtful.

They weren't in motion, seany was investigating the cost and getting in touch with google but as of yet it hasnt been put forward to governing council or governing body as the proposal, i assume, was not complete. his promise was to propose it in his current position, and follow it through next year in his capacity as President. Nevin shot down every single one of his policies, saying gmail will not happen under his reign nor will exams before christmas. so there you go. we're stuck with mydit.ie. awesome.

FewFew

I read every one of your words Clisare, but I think you're missing some key points and have since the start of the various debates in this thread.

LOL you got to laugh its cheaper than what they using already my da works in DIT and he told me that this is happening...lol gmail here we come

The above was said in another thread. It was said by the same guy who started this thread, Tonyfloney, so you can take it with a pinch of salt as it's ultimately pro-Sean, but there may be truth in it.

If gmail was in the works and DIT wanted it then it would happen. I'm pretty sure DITSU did not approve of the current mydit email system (since they've been going on about gmail for the last 4 years at least.)

No, I have not been missing key points actually. If you had attended one of the hustings you may know the story. I attended every single one, including the governing council one, which, as a governing councillor, you should have been at, and had you been, you might know the story. I am not missing any points. As far as DITSU goes, Sean was the pusher of Gmail. Nevin will not push it. Should DIT choose to go ahead with gmail without the insistence of a sabbatical then that is external to this debate. Plus, excuse me, but "my da works in DIT ;)" does not exactly seal the deal for me. I never said it wouldnt happen, i said nevin would not push for it.

So, fewcifer, please enlighten me as to what "points I am missing."

FewFew

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No, I have not been missing key points actually. If you had attended one of the hustings you may know the story. I attended every single one, including the governing council one, which, as a governing councillor, you should have been at, and had you been, you might know the story. I am not missing any points. As far as DITSU goes, Sean was the pusher of Gmail. Nevin will not push it. Should DIT choose to go ahead with gmail without the insistence of a sabbatical then that is external to this debate. Plus, excuse me, but "my da works in DIT ;)" does not exactly seal the deal for me. I never said it wouldnt happen, i said nevin would not push for it.

So, fewcifer, please enlighten me as to what "points I am missing."

Now, no need to make things personal there Clisare, because if we're revealing details about each other I'm sure there's plenty I could mention not only about your campaign but the preamble etc.

You were at every husting because you had a vested interest. Yeah, I wasn't at the husting, busy busy in final year. Yeah, wasn't at the governing council hustings, had a dissertation deadline at 9am the next morning (which I told you today and sent my apologies to the appropriate people, won't be apologising for it here.)

If I was to go back on the points you've been missing re: reform, well I think they're many.
Currently I'm on about this point: if DIT are in the process of implementing Gmail having Nevin as president will not affect this, he's not the president of DIT, he's the SU president. The SU didn't implement mydit, nor will they implement whatever else is coming down the line. Repeatedly stating that Nevin will not pursue gmail does not change the fact that if it is in motion he will not effect it, move forward and engage the argument.
As I said before, sabbats have been promising gmail for 5 years now. I don't think implementation is hanging in the balance of Sean getting elected and I'm sure Nevin wouldn't try to block it if it looked feasible.

GarethWA

Fewcifur wrote: »

Now, no need to make things personal there Clisare, because if we're revealing details about each other I'm sure there's plenty I could mention not only about your campaign but the preamble etc.

You were at every husting because you had a vested interest. Yeah, I wasn't at the husting, busy busy in final year. Yeah, wasn't at the governing council hustings, had a dissertation deadline at 9am the next morning (which I told you today and sent my apologies to the appropriate people, won't be apologising for it here.)

If I was to go back on the points you've been missing re: reform, well I think they're many.
Currently I'm on about this point: if DIT are in the process of implementing Gmail having Nevin as president will not affect this, he's not the president of DIT, he's the SU president. The SU didn't implement mydit, nor will they implement whatever else is coming down the line. Repeatedly stating that Nevin will not pursue gmail does not change the fact that if it is in motion he will not effect it, move forward and engage the argument.
As I said before, sabbats have been promising gmail for 5 years now. I don't think implementation is hanging in the balance of Sean getting elected and I'm sure Nevin wouldn't try to block it if it looked feasible.

I'm kind of wondering what points you say Clisare is missing here...all you've said is that DITSU don't have enough power within DIT to impliment change.
The simple fact is that if the President of DITSU wants to push for something with DIT, they have to listen. Given the problems occurring with mydit as recent as this morning, i think DIT will have to consider it, but with budget cuts this year of 18%, do you really think they will put out for it without the DITSU boot kicking them in the rear to get it? The voice of the students needs to be heard on this issue, because the current email system is simply not good enough!

Don't bring personal stuff into this, the fact is that Clisare was not attacking you for not showing up to the hustings, merely pointing out that things may have been said that you may have missed.

Deleted User

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Should DIT choose to go ahead with gmail without the insistence of a sabbatical then that is external to this debate. I never said it wouldnt happen, i said nevin would not push for it.

I agree with what you are saying.

Im sorry, fewcifer, I didnt mean to make it personal. I would say the same to any governing councillor.

Im tagging out.

PS thanks gareth.

GarethWA

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Im tagging out.

Probably a good idea to tag out now myself, this thread should actually get locked as elections are over.

Fewcifer, if you want to debate this more, i'd be well up for that, but in a thread specific to that discussion. I'm sure there's a few people that would like to weigh in with their opinion on boards that don't know this type of discussion is happening here!:)

FewFew

GarethWA wrote: »

I'm kind of wondering what points you say Clisare is missing here...all you've said is that DITSU don't have enough power within DIT to impliment change.
The simple fact is that if the President of DITSU wants to push for something with DIT, they have to listen. Given the problems occurring with mydit as recent as this morning, i think DIT will have to consider it, but with budget cuts this year of 18%, do you really think they will put out for it without the DITSU boot kicking them in the rear to get it? The voice of the students needs to be heard on this issue, because the current email system is simply not good enough!

Don't bring personal stuff into this, the fact is that Clisare was not attacking you for not showing up to the hustings, merely pointing out that things may have been said that you may have missed.

Ugh, I could trawl through this thread, find all the points that people made and Clisare ignored. The reason I said it was because of...

Originally Posted by Deleted User
Fewcifer if you actually READ what I am writing- NEVIN SAID HE WOULD NOT IMPLEMENT IT. CAMPBELL SAID HE WOULD. NEVIN WON. Icto facto no gmail. DUH

Which judging by Projectmayhem's response was Clisare missing the point.

Hang on, there was no need for this to get personal, I'd be the last person to make something on boards personal, but Clisare made it personal by using knowledge of me from real life in her argument. I only mentioned the possibility in a "do unto others" reminder. Everyone on boards is entitled to anonymity, unless I'm mistaken.

These topics have been debated here at length for the last four years, plenty of threads to search for or create.

discus

Some fairly petty arguments from Clisare and other SU types - Imagine that...!!! Outing someone on an anonymous board is bang out of order.

Nevin, Campbell, whoever it is/was - the SU have no say in how DIT run the infrastructure and operations of the institute. Sure, they can raise issues, but they have neither the power to force a change, nor that to block a change.

Whatever the issue, would someone please just think of the children.

wixfjord

discus wrote: »

Some fairly petty arguments from Clisare and other SU types - Imagine that...!!! Outing someone on an anonymous board is bang out of order.

Nevin, Campbell, whoever it is/was - the SU have no say in how DIT run the infrastructure and operations of the institute. Sure, they can raise issues, but they have neither the power to force a change, nor that to block a change.

Whatever the issue, would someone please just think of the children.

True poster is true.

tonyfloney

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Fewcifer if you actually READ what I am writing- NEVIN SAID HE WOULD NOT IMPLEMENT IT. CAMPBELL SAID HE WOULD. NEVIN WON. Icto facto no gmail. DUH

Lol nevin shot down all of campbells stuff and he said he wouldnt do any of his items he was asked in kevin st and he said no...! gmail is great and dit mail is crap with a capital "C" so lets hope campbell gets it done before the end of the year.....

Sheeps

by the way gmail is not going to happen anytime soon. if you think it will then you have no clue just how incompetent the technicians in dit are. most of the school of computing will tell you this

Naikon

I don't give a toss about the whole "Student Life" anymore. The students union holds no power except for the ability to raise some issues as said.
Kevin street is still a bit of an embarrassment in comparison to places like DCU/Trinity. Students Union, DIT KS == non existent as far as I see it.

Don't get any hopes up just because there is a new panel. The place won't really change, like it hasn't for the past three years.

Sheeps

Naikon wrote: »

I don't give a toss about the whole "Student Life" anymore.

Well I gathered that by the fact you regular the linux forums.

Naikon

L0L maybe I need some help