[Heritage] RPSI 141 &142

Judgement Day

Super pics - would almost have me dashing off to buy some of Murphys Models but I'm still waiting for somene to tell me what to do about the awful Hornby/Bachmann couplings. Thanks for posting!

lord lucan

Here's my pics from yesterdays tour.:)

http://s94.photobucket.com/albums/l108/kincher_2006/Diesel%20Do%20Railtour%20February%202010/

Cookie_Monster

Judgement Day wrote: »

Super pics - would almost have me dashing off to buy some of Murphys Models but I'm still waiting for somene to tell me what to do about the awful Hornby/Bachmann couplings. Thanks for posting!

Take them off and put the shield bit in place - like my picture in previous posts.
If you need then to work you can always glue the shield in place and stick some Kadee couplings onto the front of it, much less obtrusive.

CSaber

lord lucan wrote: »

From Railscene Irelands fotopic site this evening.

http://www.railsceneireland.fotopic.net/p63394726.html

That is a nice shot of that train. I noticed more have been put up from yesterday. I like this shot.

http://www.railsceneireland.fotopic.net/p63425776.html

Did not realise many people went out and photographed trains now.

lord lucan

CSaber wrote: »

That is a nice shot of that train. I noticed more have been put up from yesterday. I like this shot.

http://www.railsceneireland.fotopic.net/p63425776.html

Did not realise many people went out and photographed trains now.

There's still plenty out there spending their free time taking photos of trains. It may be dropping off a little as Loco haulage on IE becomes extinct but there's still plenty out there gricing the railcars.

I do it myself occasionally, the last time was in Connolly about two weeks ago but before that the last one was the IRRS Mark 3 tour last summer. Usually upload the photos to Facebook.

Judgement Day

For all the serious anoraks here's footage from You Tube!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQJ3OHhUzpY

lord lucan

Judgement Day wrote: »

For all the serious anoraks here's footage from You Tube!

Spotted myself on that vid!:D

Nice clip. You can clearly hear the higher idle speed of B142, it has a different engine to B141. B141 has the original GM 8-567CR type while B142 was refitted with a GM 8-645E such as those fitted to 181s and the old C class.

DWCommuter

Judgement Day wrote: »

For all the serious anoraks here's footage from You Tube!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQJ3OHhUzpY

And you refer to "anoraks"?

You went searching to find this video.:D

Im going on the ITG tour to support a good friend, get drunk and scare the ****e out of Gricers/trainspotters/enthusiasts etc.

Cookie_Monster

DWCommuter wrote: »

Im going on the ITG tour to support a good friend, get drunk and scare the ****e out of Gricers/trainspotters/enthusiasts etc.

"drunkenly in charge of a train"

I don't believe I've come across this offence before

corktina

a very attractive livery for locos wasn't it! Why-o-why did (C)IE insist on splashing Orange (of all colours!) over everything for so long ? The green livery of the old carriges was also very attractive and approriate and has made a welcome return now (in part)

Ham'nd'egger

corktina wrote: »

a very attractive livery for locos wasn't it! Why-o-why did (C)IE insist on splashing Orange (of all colours!) over everything for so long ? The green livery of the old carriges was also very attractive and approriate and has made a welcome return now (in part)

I believe they went with more orange/tan to improve cab visibility from a distance.

Cookie_Monster

Hamndegger wrote: »

I believe they went with more orange/tan to improve cab visibility from a distance.

Similar to that horrid yellow front all IE & BR locos & MUs seem to have these days

Though the all over IE orange was my favourite livery on these

Judgement Day

I think the ghastly orange paint scheme dates from around 1964 when CIE paid a fortune to a Scandinavian design company to come up with a new corporate image which also included the 'broken wheel' logo which replaced the 'flying snail'.



The black and orange livery as applied to the 'Super Train' (MkII stock) always looked very good until the addition of the white toothpaste stripe in later years. Today, in common with British rail companies the emphasis is on design over durability. The various colour schemes applied to the Enterprise, the MkIV's and the 22000's are completely impractical and show ever bit of dirt/brake dust etc.etc....

Cookie_Monster

Judgement Day wrote: »

The various colour schemes applied to the Enterprise, the MkIV's and the 22000's are completely impractical and show ever bit of dirt/brake dust etc.etc....

As did the old, old silver. Lasted about 2 hours before it was nearly black again :pac:

lord lucan

Judgement Day wrote: »

I think the ghastly orange paint scheme dates from around 1964 when CIE paid a fortune to a Scandinavian design company to come up with a new corporate image which also included the 'broken wheel' logo which replaced the 'flying snail'.

I always thought the Flying Snail was ahead of it's time tbh,it was a great looking logo and much classier than the 'broken wheel' logo.

corktina

Hamndegger wrote: »

I believe they went with more orange/tan to improve cab visibility from a distance.

what on the sides? and on the carriages???

Cookie_Monster

corktina wrote: »

what on the sides? and on the carriages???

Woodie's had a deal going on orange paint that year.

Judgement Day

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

As did the old, old silver. Lasted about 2 hours before it was nearly black again :pac:

Do you mean something like this? An unidentifiable A-class at Dungarvan in the early 1960s by my old pal Joe St.Leger.

DWCommuter

Judgement Day wrote: »

Do you mean something like this? An unidentifiable A-class at Dungarvan in the early 1960s by my old pal Joe St.Leger.

Your havin a laugh JD.:D

Obviously Inchicore ran out of black paint.;)

Hungerford

Judgement Day wrote: »

I think the ghastly orange paint scheme dates from around 1964 when CIE paid a fortune to a Scandinavian design company to come up with a new corporate image.

Nah - it was done in-house. Remarkably, the designer's inspiration was a friendly tabby cat - and that's according to CIE's official accounts.

Cookie_Monster

Judgement Day wrote: »

Do you mean something like this? An unidentifiable A-class at Dungarvan in the early 1960s by my old pal Joe St.Leger.

What on earth happened to that, someone just dump a load of sludge over it, noway thats just normal dirt build up

Hungerford wrote: »

Nah - it was done in-house. Remarkably, the designer's inspiration was a friendly tabby cat - and that's according to CIE's official accounts.

WTF, LOL
"only in Ireland"

wild handlin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

What on earth happened to that, someone just dump a load of sludge over it, noway thats just normal dirt build upQUOTE]

Nothing more than some oil by the looks of it. Fairly common for the early crossley engines.

Cookie_Monster

wild handlin wrote: »

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

What on earth happened to that, someone just dump a load of sludge over it, noway thats just normal dirt build up

Nothing more than some oil by the looks of it. Fairly common for the early crossley engines.

over the whole of the front of it, how was that a common happening

wild handlin

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

over the whole of the front of it, how was that a common happening

I believe the original exhaust was located above the cab door in the center of the roof, hence when the engine throws oil it would usually go over the cab front and down the sides of the cab - quickest way to the ground!!

When they were re-engined the exhaust ports were changed to the center - was still common to see oil sludge down the sides of the locos, prefectly normal for a 2 stroke engine. However, the old photo there is a little more than abit of oil. Maybe the sump leaked into the crank case, thrus spewing un-burnt oil out the exhaust. Not un-common with the old crossley engines, hence the re-engining to GM power units.

Cookie_Monster

wild handlin wrote: »

I believe the original exhaust was located above the cab door in the center of the roof, hence when the engine throws oil it would usually go over the cab front and down the sides of the cab - quickest way to the ground!!

When they were re-engined the exhaust ports were changed to the center - was still common to see oil sludge down the sides of the locos, prefectly normal for a 2 stroke engine. However, the old photo there is a little more than abit of oil. Maybe the sump leaked into the crank case, thrus spewing un-burnt oil out the exhaust. Not un-common with the old crossley engines, hence the re-engining to GM power units.

Ah, I see. Interesting, I imagine it made the windows pretty horrid too. Wiper covered in sludgy oil, water, wsher fluid and god only knows what else. What a pleasant surface to look through

I once heard someone say that with the Crossley engines, the A class often had more oil outside the engine than inside. That photo certainly supports that assertion.

Hungerford

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

WTF, LOL
"only in Ireland"

Seriously! I don't have it to hand but I'll dig out the exact quote when I get a chance.

Run_to_da_hills

All Murphy models of the 141 in original black and tan are sold out / finished production, anyone any idea if they will be released again? You would imagine there would be some demand for them with the restoration of these two locos.

Cookie_Monster

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

All Murphy models of the 141 in original black and tan are sold out / finished production, anyone any idea if they will be released again? You would imagine there would be some demand for them with the restoration of these two locos.

you can still get them in a few places, and on ebay every so often. IIRC Marks models have at least one in Dun Laoghaire but its a display model, there may be others

EDIT: I already have B181 :P

Run_to_da_hills

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

you can still get them in a few places, and on ebay every so often. IIRC Marks models have at least one in Dun Laoghaire but its a display model, there may be others

EDIT: I already have B181 :P

You will need a pair of them now, I only see one of them in your collection.

Cookie_Monster

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You will need a pair of them now, I only see one of them in your collection.

tis planned, I'll see what I come across

A post on IRN seems to be suggesting that the entire 141 class were withdrawn today. Anyone able to shed some light on this?

lord lucan

Karsini wrote: »

A post on IRN seems to be suggesting that the entire 141 class were withdrawn today. Anyone able to shed some light on this?

The ITG have this on their website in relation to their tour in March:"ITG has become aware that the 141 class are being taken out of service, with several remaining locomotives working to Inchicore, and the rest to follow imminently. ITG has been in contact with Iarnrod Eireann, and it is still intended to provide two 141 class locomotives for the ITG Railtour on 6th March. These will be examined over the coming days to ensure the locomotives are fit to work the train."

http://www.irishtractiongroup.com/index.htm

Judgement Day

Extraordinary isn't it? What do you think it can be, tin worm, swine flu or the dreaded lurgi? One day a perfectably serviceable locomotive, the next so many tons of scrap metal - you would never know that CIE was a State company unaccountable to anybody would you?

Cookie_Monster

lord lucan wrote: »

The ITG have this on their website in relation to their tour in March:"ITG has become aware that the 141 class are being taken out of service, with several remaining locomotives working to Inchicore, and the rest to follow imminently. ITG has been in contact with Iarnrod Eireann, and it is still intended to provide two 141 class locomotives for the ITG Railtour on 6th March. These will be examined over the coming days to ensure the locomotives are fit to work the train."

http://www.irishtractiongroup.com/index.htm

Aww boo

Still 48 years isin't a bad run!

lord lucan

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Aww boo

Still 48 years isin't a bad run!

Glad i went on last Sundays spin to Longford!!

wild handlin

Judgement Day wrote: »

Extraordinary isn't it? What do you think it can be, tin worm, swine flu or the dreaded lurgi? One day a perfectably serviceable locomotive, the next so many tons of scrap metal - you would never know that CIE was a State company unaccountable to anybody would you?

Got it on one JD, got it in one.

Cookie_Monster

Judgement Day wrote: »

Extraordinary isn't it? What do you think it can be, tin worm, swine flu or the dreaded lurgi? One day a perfectably serviceable locomotive, the next so many tons of scrap metal - you would never know that CIE was a State company unaccountable to anybody would you?

wild handlin wrote: »

Got it on one JD, got it in one.

reading lord lucan link there have been a few recent issues that caused this, including brake problems. they were due to be retired soon enough anywya, no point spending a lot of time and money to repair them and rettire them a few months later.

48 years is a long service life, I'd hope they get the same out of the 071's and 201's. Some of the 201's have been mothballed already though

Judgement Day

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

reading lord lucan link there have been a few recent issues that caused this, including brake problems. they were due to be retired soon enough anywya, no point spending a lot of time and money to repair them and rettire them a few months later.

48 years is a long service life, I'd hope they get the same out of the 071's and 201's. Some of the 201's have been mothballed already though

Maybe they were nearing retirement but there need not be the usual rush to scrap them! The use of 071 type locos for pilot duty, pw trains etc seems, to me, to be a waste of resources not to mention fuel. All I'm saying is that a private company (such as the SLNCR or CDRJC) would not have been so wasteful with money. There is no accountability in CIE - look at the mothballed 201s, the ongoing scrapping of MkIIIs - to be followed, no doubt, by the premature withdrawal and scrapping of the MkIVs. CIE ....Cash In Everything. :mad:

Run_to_da_hills

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Some of the 201's have been mothballed already though

Its called "early retirement", the A's would have long outlived them.

I blame Dick Fearn for the 201 and Mk3 debacle. His intention seemed to be to eliminate locomotive hauled services regardless of cost or life expectancy of the existing rolling stock. I'm not trying to turn this into a loco vs railcar debate - I'm talking about wastage here. I do agree that the Cravens and Mk2s had to go, I wasn't particularly a fan of the former when in service, but lets face it - the Mk3s still had another 10 years at least.

And why are 34 year old 071s (of which, six have not received an overhaul in years) still in service while 15 year old 201s are rotting in Inchicore? Getting back to the 141s, I'd assume the lack of maintenance was becoming a safety hazard - it wasn't uncommon to see 141s running with brake pads worn down to the shoes.

Cookie_Monster

Judgement Day wrote: »

The use of 071 type locos for pilot duty, pw trains etc seems, to me, to be a waste of resources not to mention fuel. All I'm saying is that a private company (such as the SLNCR or CDRJC) would not have been so wasteful with money.

Don't forget the 181's

Karsini wrote: »

And why are 34 year old 071s (of which, six have not received an overhaul in years) still in service while 15 year old 201s are rotting in Inchicore?

Because 201's are railbreakers

Cookie_Monster

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Because 201's are railbreakers

Is that not due to poor track maintenance?

Run_to_da_hills

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Because 201's are railbreakers

There are still heaps of them being used in the UK, are their tracks any stronger?

They could always flog them off to Egypt.

Cookie_Monster

Karsini wrote: »

Is that not due to poor track maintenance?

partially but there are also some routes where the track bed is not rated to take their weight

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There are still heaps of them being used in the UK, are their tracks any stronger?

yes they (track bed & rails) are. I presume the gauge also affects it as the 66's are about 14 tonnes heavier. The "Sheds" are also standard across much of europe, exported as surplus from the UK

Judgement Day

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There are still heaps of them being used in the UK, are their tracks any stronger?

They could always flog them off to Egypt.

They should flog off all the fecking CIE managers to Egypt instead. Which reminds me whatever happened to CIE Consult (?) a division of the company that use to send CIE engineers abroad to 'help' Third World countries.....probably also defunct like.......ohh time to take my medication!!!

lord lucan

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Don't forget the 181's

They've all been withdrawn.

Cookie_Monster

lord lucan wrote: »

They've all been withdrawn.

All the more reason to not forget them then