Dan Boyle has no confidence in Willie O'Dea

mike65

P.ie getting very excited, talk of WO'D being an ex-minister

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Lq771TVm4

Laminations

Willie O'Dea is gone. Handed in his resignation according to Eoghan Harris

InisMor

meditraitor wrote: »

I could lead it better than present incumbants,

I wouldn't vote for you :P

InisMor

For Forks Sake wrote: »

A clown with no electoral mandate, yet he pops up on every media outlet spouting on as if he was runnng the country

did he sing in You're A Star or something?

InisMor

Laminations wrote: »

Willie O'Dea is gone. Handed in his resignation according to Eoghan Harris

Not according to the radio.

Cowan told the Green's to get behind Willie.

For Forks Sake

Laminations wrote: »

Willie O'Dea is gone. Handed in his resignation according to Eoghan Harris

That's just Eoghans inner monologue escaping again, I think I'll hang on for some more concrete evidence

IrishTonyO

Green Party are satisfied that the matter will be solved to their satisfaction shortly. RTE already speaking as if he is gone already

bmaxi

Laminations wrote: »

Willie O'Dea is gone. Handed in his resignation according to Eoghan Harris

If this is true I can just hear Cowan.
"No need to resign", "honourable course", "sad loss","upset by public disquiet" etc. ad infinitum.
In one way Cowan is right, there is no need for O'Dea to resign, if Cowan had any moral fibre he'd f*ck him out.

adagio

Willie D is gone...

It will be interesting to see how the FF spin doctors handle this event.
It will also be interesting to see if this event has increased the fracture line within the Greens.
Let the games begin.

A.:eek:

walshb

bmaxi wrote: »

If this is true I can just hear Cowan.
"No need to resign", "honourable course", "sad loss","upset by public disquiet" etc. ad infinitum.
In one way Cowan is right, there is no need for O'Dea to resign, if Cowan had any moral fibre he'd f*ck him out.

Exactly, and exactly why Cowen comes out of this a whole lot worse than Willie... Cowen is backing this guy full whack.

omerin

Would Dan Boyle please just go away. He's a parasite, no one in Cork wants him, will he ever feck off!

As for Willie I couldn't care less, thats where the quality of politics in this country has lead me.
btw on newstalk this morning, a reporter let slip or made a genuine mistake when he call willie - Mini O' Dea, wonder if thats his nicname in political circles?

IrishToffees

What alternative to FF do we have? FG/Labour? Irish Politics is probably the most corrupt in the western world. 98-99% of all politicians from all the main parties are in politics not to serve the public but for personal gain and wealth. The sooner the Irish public wakes up and demands a complete overhaul of the Irish political system the better. Banana republic always has been and I fear it will always be!

IrishTonyO

Eamon Keane on Newstalk, after talking to some FF members says Willie is going tonight after a television appearance

Liam Byrne

IrishToffees wrote: »

What alternative to FF do we have? FG/Labour? Irish Politics is probably the most corrupt in the western world. 98-99% of all politicians from all the main parties are in politics not to serve the public but for personal gain and wealth. The sooner the Irish public wakes up and demands a complete overhaul of the Irish political system the better. Banana republic always has been and I fear it will always be!

No real argument - at least in terms of competence.

But at least we might end up with the lesser of too evils.

Here's hoping!

Mind you, it'd make a change for O'Dea to have done some good for us!

SEPT 23 1989

Can anyone imagine what it will be like waking up the morning after the FF/Green government collapses?

I can

"Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

johngalway

IrishTonyO wrote: »

Eamon Keane on Newstalk, after talking to some FF members says Willie is going tonight after a television appearance

Quick, someone hand him a sword!

bmaxi

IrishToffees wrote: »

What alternative to FF do we have? FG/Labour? Irish Politics is probably the most corrupt in the western world. 98-99% of all politicians from all the main parties are in politics not to serve the public but for personal gain and wealth. The sooner the Irish public wakes up and demands a complete overhaul of the Irish political system the better. Banana republic always has been and I fear it will always be!

There is no guarantee that any other coalition of parties will be better than the present one but you'll never know until you try. FF have been in power in the country too often and for too long, they have grown contemptuous of the people.
If the O'Dea story illustrates one thing, it is that were FF in a majority in the Dáil there would be no question of his resigning, sure what's a little perjury when you're a senior Government minister? Seán Citizen on the other hand would be languishing in Mountjoy.

Liam Byrne

bmaxi wrote: »

If the O'Dea story illustrates one thing, it is that were FF in a majority in the Dáil there would be no question of his resigning, sure what's a little perjury when you're a senior Government minister? Seán Citizen on the other hand would be languishing in Mountjoy.

.....or - in the unlikely event that it was an FG or Labour minister - FF would be screaming for his resignation, and dismissing allegations of "dirty smear tactics" :rolleyes:

DublinWriter

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Can anyone imagine what it will be like waking up the morning after the FF/Green government collapses?

I can

"Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

To paraphrase the late, great Bill Hicks, the puppet on the left hand is not to my liking anymore, maybe it's time to favour the puppet on the right hand?

Yes, Enda Kenny, the guy who seriously touted the idea of reimbursing the initial greedy Eircom shareholders.

We have no political capital in this country guys, my advice is to buckle up and make sure that you're stocked up on canned goods for the next thirty years.

jonsnow

I might actually read wee willie LIAR o,deas weekly musings in the Fianna Fail On Sunday/Sindo this week for the first time ever-strictly for the hilarity factor.Still not going to buy it though.

SEPT 23 1989

DublinWriter wrote: »

To paraphrase the late, great Bill Hicks, the puppet on the left hand is not to my liking anymore, maybe it's time to favour the puppet on the right hand?

Yes, Enda Kenny, the guy who seriously touted the idea of reimbursing the initial greedy Eircom shareholders.

We have no political capital in this country guys, my advice is to buckle up and make sure that you're stocked up on canned goods for the next thirty years.

yes but we need a change from this stagnant corrupt crap we have put up with for the last decade the lift this country would get would be like Ireland beating Romania in the World Cup

deanh

DublinWriter wrote: »

To paraphrase the late, great Bill Hicks, the puppet on the left hand is not to my liking anymore, maybe it's time to favour the puppet on the right hand?

Yes, Enda Kenny, the guy who seriously touted the idea of reimbursing the initial greedy Eircom shareholders.

I think that was Michael Noonan. It s a pity that political debate cannot stick to the facts.

bmaxi

DublinWriter wrote: »

To paraphrase the late, great Bill Hicks, the puppet on the left hand is not to my liking anymore, maybe it's time to favour the puppet on the right hand?

Yes, Enda Kenny, the guy who seriously touted the idea of reimbursing the initial greedy Eircom shareholders.

We have no political capital in this country guys, my advice is to buckle up and make sure that you're stocked up on canned goods for the next thirty years.

Are these the greedy shareholders who were inveigled every day of the week by Mary O' Rourke into buying into a sure thing. The greedy shareholders who were not allowed to sell their shares when stock price increased initially, while the banks and big business were allowed to sell theirs, or the greedy shareholders who were forced to sell their shares for a fraction of their price whether or not they wanted to.
While I wouldn't support Kenny's proposal, lets not forget FFs contribution to the debacle, it effectively put an end, for the forseeable future, to stock buying by the general public.

hmmm

bmaxi wrote: »

The greedy shareholders who were not allowed to sell their shares when stock price increased initially, while the banks and big business were allowed to sell theirs,

I don't know what you were doing, but myself and plenty of other ordinary investors sold on day 1 for a hefty profit.

gizmo555

hmmm wrote: »

I don't know what you were doing, but myself and plenty of other ordinary investors sold on day 1 for a hefty profit.

+1

Paid for my holiday that year!

dixiefly

Looks like he's gone, to be announced on the news at 9pm.

Cowan comes out v badly from the whole affair, shows he has no standards.

deanh

hmmm wrote: »

I don't know what you were doing, but myself and plenty of other ordinary investors sold on day 1 for a hefty profit.

You could only sell if you purchased your shares on account. If you opted to receive you share certificates (as most first time shareholders would have done), it took up to a week to get them posted by which time the share price had declined. True, the shares could still have been sold for a profit, but nobody anticipated that FF, banks and stockbrokers had colluded in exaggerating the company's value in their own interests. Shareholders got screwed when the market discovered the fraud and the share price floored. Again, in the Valentia takeover, no account was made of the interests of ordinary shareholders. Overall, Mary O' Rourke finished off the prospect of other share privatisations. She got her answer in the subsequent general election, although Donie Cassidy could never be described as an improvement!

bmaxi

deanh wrote: »

You could only sell if you purchased your shares on account. If you opted to receive you share certificates (as most first time shareholders would have done), it took up to a week to get them posted by which time the share price had declined. True, the shares could still have been sold for a profit, but nobody anticipated that FF, banks and stockbrokers had colluded in exaggerating the company's value in their own interests. Shareholders got screwed when the market discovered the fraud and the share price floored. Again, in the Valentia takeover, no account was made of the interests of ordinary shareholders. Overall, Mary O' Rourke finished off the prospect of other share privatisations. She got her answer in the subsequent general election, although Donie Cassidy could never be described as an improvement!

Couldn't have put it better. One of O'Rourke's main selling points was the fact that the ordinary Joe Soap in Ireland had no history of dabbling in stocks and shares and here was a gilt edged opportunity to get in to the habit without risk. Eircom was undervalued and the foreign telecoms companies would be falling over themselves to buy it.
The upshot of this was, many of the investors were first timers with no experience of the stock market and no idea of the rules and practices but nobody sounded a cautionary note. People invested, not for greed but to back up pensions etc, something which the current crop of overpaid, cast iron pensioned, ministers are telling us we should be doing.
For the record, I didn't actually buy any Eircom shares.

JonathanAnon

FlashGordon1969 wrote: »

Dan Boyle is a poltical joke-what the hell does it matter if he has no confidence given that his party has voted to keep Willie in office?? Why doesn't he resign?

I agree. I have nothing but contempt for him.. He did the moral equivalent of texting your girlfriend to break up with her, when he twittered about his "no confidence"... Dan.. nobody cares what you think, you didnt get voted in and your vote / opinions only count with a) the greens and b) what FF friends got you your senate seat in the first.

If the man had any guts he could have resigned, like he "threatened" to do last week..... (i.e. give up 70k p.a. for looking disinterested in the Senate a couple of days a week, who else would pay the fat fool that amount of money).

If he had something to say, he should have called a press conference. Instead he twittered, then turned off his phone and dived for cover ... what a coward... He should be fired for lack of moral courage, and interfering in Dáil issues.

Liam Byrne

If Dan Boyle set the wheels in motion for today's events, then fair play to him.

Any comment on his Twitter site tonight ?

jackcee

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I agree. I have nothing but contempt for him.. He did the moral equivalent of texting your girlfriend to break up with her, when he twittered about his "no confidence"... Dan.. nobody cares what you think, you didnt get voted in and your vote / opinions only count with a) the greens and b) what FF friends got you your senate seat in the first.

If the man had any guts he could have resigned, like he "threatened" to do last week..... (i.e. give up 70k p.a. for looking disinterested in the Senate a couple of days a week, who else would pay the fat fool that amount of money).

If he had something to say, he should have called a press conference. Instead he twittered, then turned off his phone and dived for cover ... what a coward... He should be fired for lack of moral courage, and interfering in Dáil issues.

Johnathan,

I am not particularly captivated by your style of expression, (dont worry, it's an age thing), but I agree completely with the thrust of your argument.

I cannot understand RTE's obsession with this non-entitiy - but then again, perhaps I understand completely.

simonj

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

"Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

Sounds suspiciously like G Lee after the Dublin poll - and what would we replace them with - FG?

If that was the case my reacton would be
Different day - same ****

IrishTonyO

On TV3 news just now Ursela Halligan said John Gormley told Brian Cowen the Greens were going to pull out of government if Willie O'Dea did not resign! If that's true and it most likely is, just shows how 2 faced the Greens are. Voted confidence in him yesterday and then when they saw the reaction of the green members and the general public, they changed their mind!!

mike65

Which contadicts Michael Martin on Prime Time

IrishTonyO

It just shows that you can't believe a word that comes out of the Green Parliamentary party any more. I feel sorry for the normal Green party members and supporters.

Liam Byrne

IrishTonyO wrote: »

On TV3 news just now Ursela Halligan said John Gormley told Brian Cowen the Greens were going to pull out of government if Willie O'Dea did not resign! If that's true and it most likely is, just shows how 2 faced the Greens are. Voted confidence in him yesterday and then when they saw the reaction of the green members and the general public, they changed their mind!!

To me, it shows that they've finally figured out how to represent the people.

Mind you, it does show how out-of-touch they are that they got it so wrong yesterday.

And even the "representation" is dubious, because it's a representation on something that keeps them in power, rather than the one that was required last year or the week of the general election, where doing the right thing would have put them out of Government.

Self-interested and out of touch.

They may as well join FF at this stage.

IrishTonyO

Good to see Vincent Browne at the moment is concentrating on the flip-flopping of the Greens.

tech77

IrishTonyO wrote: »

Good to see Vincent Browne at the moment is concentrating on the flip-flopping of the Greens.

Fionnan Sheahan cut to the chase on VB:
I think you're getting into law and ethics, Vincent. This was Politics.
^Or words to that effect- a good (albeit depressing) insight.
Made me laugh anyway.

walshb

We really have no opposition to FF I feel. The others are just as bad I would say and the only option is to vote out the current and return them, HOPING that maybe it's a serious wake up call and kick up the arse. In other words, rehabilitation! It's a long shot I know.

anymore

Liam Byrne wrote: »

If Dan Boyle set the wheels in motion for today's events, then fair play to him.

Any comment on his Twitter site tonight ?

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/
Part of Irish Times editorial :
"...The Green Party was initially supine in voting confidence in Mr O’Dea. It girded its loins when it struck home that, novices though they may be to the realities of coalition government, their suspension of moral judgment on an issue of standards in government left them like the emperor with no clothes. There was no coming back, especially after former senator Déirdre de Búrca’s accusations of their spinelessness last week..... "

Letter in today's Irish Times :
Madam, – I used to think Green Party chairman Dan Boyle was a serious and developing politician.
Now I find he hides behind Twitter to voice his opinions about his colleagues’ behaviour on the unedifying O’Dea affair (Front page, February 18th). What is wrong with standing up and being counted? You can’t even say that this sort of tweet is green. – Yours, etc,

These two pieces from Irish Times say it all really.

Jip

Where did InisMor go ? I'd like to hear more of his insider information

Highly Salami

IrishTonyO wrote: »

......just shows how 2 faced the Greens are. Voted confidence in him yesterday and then when they saw the reaction of the green members and the general public, they changed their mind!!

Its called democracy, if you don't like it you can always emigrate to North Korea or somewhere.

anymore

Highly Salami wrote: »

Its called democracy, if you don't like it you can always emigrate to North Korea or somewhere.

Ahem ! Democracy does allow people to voice their own opinions - the greens havent yet managed to establish a fascist state which makes criticism a crime !