**2010 Trade Rumours/Speculation/Confirmations**

frostie500

Giving up a full back and a sixth next year with a conditional in 2012 is pretty good business by the Broncos. Quinn can come in and learn their system without the pressure he had in Cleveland as a first round pick. With Josh McDanniels there is every chance that he can be functional in their system if he wins the starting job over Orton.

Holmgren traded him because a new GM/head coach nearly always wants his own man in the system, neither him or Mangini were at the Browns when Quinn was drafted and they clearly didn't want their futures tethered to the previous administration.

Hazys

krustydoyle wrote: »

L.T just signed a 2 year deal with the jets.... According to mr Schefter


Adam_Schefter
Filed to ESPN: it's official. LaDainian Tomlinson is a Jet. He reached agreement on a two-year contract. Done

In hindsight i think its bad for the Jets. They lost Jones and paid LT more when they already have a similar type of player in Washington.

Dohnny Jepp

Disagree. IMO jones should have restructered his contract and stayed. However the Jets are saving money in the fact they don't have to pay out the 6 mil bonus Jones was due to earn this offseason.

Hazys

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Disagree. IMO jones should have restructered his contract and stayed. However the Jets are saving money in the fact they don't have to pay out the 6 mil bonus Jones was due to earn this offseason.

I disagree with your disagreement.

The Jets cut Jones to avoid the 6 mil bonus, fair enough but Jones' agent then allowed the Jets to match Chiefs contract offer, they refused and then paid LT more.

Their logic is baffling, Jones is currently a better player than LT, they already have a similar player in Washington, Jones was well liked in the Jets locker room and his release has caused a bit of an upset, he would also have been cheaper. The only thing LT has over Jones is ability to sell more tickets, but thats hardly worth it.

Then the Jets take out a pityful ad in a Kansas Newspaper trying to calm the rift in the locker room. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/15/jets-try-to-make-nice-with-thomas-jones/

Dohnny Jepp

Hazys wrote: »

I disagree with your disagreement.

Jones' agent then allowed the Jets to match Chiefs contract offer, they refused and then paid LT more.

Have a source for that?

From what I've read on Nfl.com Jones refused to restructure his deal in any way at all.

According to this http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816f4a4f&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

The chiefs are paying Jones what the Jets would have had to pay him had they not released him, including his bonus.

tallaghtoutlaws

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Have a source for that?

From what I've read on Nfl.com Jones refused to restructure his deal in any way at all.

According to this http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816f4a4f&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

The chiefs are paying Jones what the Jets would have had to pay him had they not released him, including his bonus.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/11/spielman-says-theres-no-pressure-to-do-a-deal-with-lt-today/

But what of L.T.'s visit to New York? Per a league source, the Jets had a chance to match the two-year, $5 million contract that the Chiefs paid to running back Thomas Jones, but opted not to do so. If the Jets weren't willing to pay that much money to Jones after he had a career-high rushing total of 1,402 yards in 2009, why would they give that much or more to Tomlinson?

frostie500

How exactly is LT a similar player to Washington? If Leon comes back healthy he is a much better player than LT is now. He can burst through a hole, he can catch, he is a dangerous man in space. LT is none of these things anymore. The move doesnt make sense to me at all, the Jets went on a full court press for a player that will only be used in certain goalline situations and as Tallaght said Jones(a 1000 yards rusher for the last three years) would have been cheaper. Madness but they do have personal seat licences to sell....

Hazys

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Have a source for that?

From what I've read on Nfl.com Jones refused to restructure his deal in any way at all.

According to this http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816f4a4f&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

The chiefs are paying Jones what the Jets would have had to pay him had they not released him, including his bonus.

Thats incorrect, Jones wasnt place on waivers (he's a vet so he couldnt have been), he was cut, making him an unrestricted free agent. Free to sign any contract he wanted.

Hazys

frostie500 wrote: »

How exactly is LT a similar player to Washington? If Leon comes back healthy he is a much better player than LT is now. He can burst through a hole, he can catch, he is a dangerous man in space. LT is none of these things anymore. The move doesnt make sense to me at all, the Jets went on a full court press for a player that will only be used in certain goalline situations and as Tallaght said Jones(a 1000 yards rusher for the last three years) would have been cheaper. Madness but they do have personal seat licences to sell....

Similar style (thier talent similarities is debatable), neither are large, power backs like Jones, both have/had good speed and hands.

IMO the Jets RB situation has become less flexible and they have lost overall talent as Jones > LT.

frostie500

Hazys wrote: »

Similar style (thier talent similarities is debatable), neither are large, power backs like Jones, both have/had good speed and hands.

IMO the Jets RB situation has become less flexible and they have lost overall talent as Jones > LT.

I was looking at it more that right now LT is finished as an elite player in the NFL and Washington-recovery permitting- can be more than LT for this team. I think its a mistake to take in a player like LT that is clearly finished as an elite level back and really isnt cut out to be a number 2 either. The Jets overpaid and I think that Washington can be of far greater value to the team. To be honest I think that if the Jets were so eager to bring in a finished rb that Brian Westbrook would have been a better option. He has always been willing to be a role player when needed and they would have gotten him fairly cheap

frostie500

The Seahawks have traded for Chargers backup QB Charlie Whitehurst. The teams have flipped second rounders and the 'hawks have given up next years third for him as well. He has been signed to a two year $10 million deal.

Whitehurst has been a career third stringer behind Philip Rivers and Billy Volek. It seems like a lot of cash for a player that has never taken an NFL snap. He was a solid player in college with Clemson and was a four year starter. When he came out he drafted in the third round but had an NFL talent level but was let down by poor decision making and rushing throws. Maybe after spending a few years in the NFL with the Chargers he has overcome these issues.

One thing is for certain Pete Caroll hasnt spent this money and given up a valuable pick in the draft to have a backup for Hasselbeck-the job is Whitehurst's its just a matter of time. Matt is getting old and has had injury problems, Caroll knows that he is not the QB longterm in Seattle and he has brought in a younger player to be that man for the future. One interesting development from this is that the 'hawks will not be looking at QB at the top of the draft so we could see Clausen fall consideribly in the early running if tackle needy teams like Washington and Buffalo look to shore up the O-line instead of QB

Neil3030

frostie500 wrote: »

The Seahawks have traded for Chargers backup QB Charlie Whitehurst. The teams have flipped second rounders and the 'hawks have given up next years third for him as well. He has been signed to a two year $10 million deal.

Whitehurst has been a career third stringer behind Philip Rivers and Billy Volek. It seems like a lot of cash for a player that has never taken an NFL snap. He was a solid player in college with Clemson and was a four year starter. When he came out he drafted in the third round but had an NFL talent level but was let down by poor decision making and rushing throws. Maybe after spending a few years in the NFL with the Chargers he has overcome these issues.

One thing is for certain Pete Caroll hasnt spent this money and given up a valuable pick in the draft to have a backup for Hasselbeck-the job is Whitehurst's its just a matter of time. Matt is getting old and has had injury problems, Caroll knows that he is not the QB longterm in Seattle and he has brought in a younger player to be that man for the future. One interesting development from this is that the 'hawks will not be looking at QB at the top of the draft so we could see Clausen fall consideribly in the early running if tackle needy teams like Washington and Buffalo look to shore up the O-line instead of QB

Wee bit of confusion and murmurings of unrest about this move in Seattle. The guy lasted 2 weeks as backup in his Rookie season before the Chargers traded for Volek. He's never thrown a pass in the NFL and there are a fair few free agents that could be or could have been enticed into a $10m, 2 year contract.

Other people are saying that Rivers was always going to be the starter in San Diego and not missing a game in four years is not going to give backups too many opportunities to shine. Plus, we gambled on a backup QB last time round and it worked out pretty well.

However I see Whitehurst as a solid backup with upside - a calculated gamble. He may be a flop, he may be a good mentor for a Rookie QB, he may develop himself into a starter. Carroll has picked a decent quarterback or two in his time, so I think he should be afforded the benefit of the doubt. Also, moving down 20 spots in a draft of this quality is not a serious sacrifice, so it's really only giving up next years 3rd round pick.

Royal Seahawk

I don't see this lad becoming the long term replacement to Hass.
Still think Carroll should draft a QB in what is one of the best drafts ever for top level QBs.

ArmCandyBaby

After a poor free agency so far, as a Chargers fan I'm very happy with this trade. The Chargers have effectively given up nothing as he'll never see any meaningful time in SD. I'd say they've been waiting a long time for this offer to be made and they can now get a player onto their roster who will actually contribute something! I've no idea what he's like as a player but from a Seahawks POV the fact that he was 3rd string to a guy who was traded in afterwards would set off alarm bells. I also wouldn't be too pleased that his best completion % (best QB stat imo) over a full preseason is ~56% but that could just be because he doesn't see time with the first team.

It seems using this value chart, the swap in 2nd round draft picks is worth approx. a mid 3rd rounder in itself which adding in the 3rd next year seems like a huge amount.

Dohnny Jepp

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

I don't see this lad becoming the long term replacement to Hass.
Still think Carroll should draft a QB in what is one of the best drafts ever for top level QBs.

I tihnk only one of the Qb's this year is worth a first round pick. . . The Qb position is the one position I dont like this year.

evil_seed

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/nfl/03/22/ravens.cory.redding.ap/index.html

The Baltimore Ravens and former Seattle defensive end Cory Redding have agreed on a two-year deal.

Redding started only three games for the Seahawks last season but has 18 career sacks over seven NFL seasons, the first six with Detroit. The 29-year-old has played in 101 games, 79 of them as a starter.

The 6-foot-4, 295-pound Redding fills a void left by the departure of Dwan Edwards, who signed as a free agent with the Buffalo Bills last week.

Redding was an unrestricted free agent. His best season came in 2006, when he had 16 starts and finished with eight sacks and 70 tackles.

He was drafted by Detroit in the third round in 2003 out of Texas.

Royal Seahawk

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

I tihnk only one of the Qb's this year is worth a first round pick. . . The Qb position is the one position I dont like this year.

Tim Tebow yeah?

Dohnny Jepp

IMO Bradford will go first overall. Clausen will go early 2nd, tebow will go late second, McCoy will go third.

Tebow could drop as low as late 3rd.

Thats my opinion anyway

seanin98

Bradford first, McCoy second ... Tebow late second round i would think.

Chucky the tree

Big rumours that McNabb will be traded to the Rams for their 2nd round pick(33rd). If this goes through it would blow the draft wide open as most likely the Rams wouldn't go Qb with the top pick.

Dohnny Jepp

Aye I heard that too but I think the eagles will come to their senses and realise that McNabb's age doesn't matter. He's the best Qb they've ever had and they will miss him big time.

frostie500

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Aye I heard that too but I think the eagles will come to their senses and realise that McNabb's age doesn't matter. He's the best Qb they've ever had and they will miss him big time.

I'm an Eagles fan and love McNabb but if the right deal comes in for him the team should take it. We took Kolb to the QB for our future and he will be one way or another, he looked pretty special when he was starting last year so I don't think there would be a big drop off in performance. The risk factor of trading away McNabb isn't as big as it was prior to now.

Donavon is the best QB we've ever had but the NFL is an unsentimental league and with a quality QB in place to step up should a trade occur I think the front office will jump at it

Dohnny Jepp

Would you be happy with the 33rd overall pick? I'm just curious cause I rate McNabb highly and I think with him you can be assured of 10 wins at least.

frostie500

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Would you be happy with the 33rd overall pick? I'm just curious cause I rate McNabb highly and I think with him you can be assured of 10 wins at least.

If it was a second round pick I'd only take it if we could get a safety in the deal or a linebacker. If its solely a draft pick I think McNabb is worth a first rounder because as you say he is still a very good QB and can win games

ArmCandyBaby

The 33rd pick is worth an absolute fortune this year as the 2nd round is on a different day so not only do you have the option of spending all night choosing a player but you can also auction the pick off to a team who has witnessed a player they love slip out of the first round. Andy Reid is obviously fully aware of this and has a great history of dealing picks during the draft so if I were an Eagle I'd be all for it.

BTW from what I gather it's the Rams that are reluctant, not the Eagles.

Dohnny Jepp

From the rams point of view, do you risk passing up on a potential franchise Qb that will possibly lead your team for the next 15 years. I suppose getting Suh would soften the blow:P

Dohnny Jepp

Aparently it's the raiders and the bills who are looking for McNabb not the rams.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81726754/The-latest-on-McNabb

tallaghtoutlaws

http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter/status/11100174344

ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reports Oakland is willing to part with CB Nnamdi Asomugha in exchange for Donovan McNabb - but Eagles reluctant.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/26/asomughas-representatives-deny-that-hes-part-of-mcnabb-trade-talks/

With the rumors and the reports whizzing around Philly and other NFL cities regarding possible destinations for Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb, the tip we received last night gained some traction when ESPN.com's Len Pasquarelli reported that the Raiders are willing to include cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha in a deal for Donovan.

So while discussing that specific wrinkle with our buddy (and WVU alum) Mike Gill of 97.3 ESPN in Atlantic City, Gill mentioned that Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports had been on the show earlier in the day, and that Robinson said Asomugha's representatives claim that the Pro Bowl corner would not be part of the deal.

But here's the thing. If he's going to be traded to Philly, Asomugha will be the last to know, finding out only after the deal is done. Any other approach easily could prompt the usually quiet Asomugha to come unglued, realizing that there's a door leading out of the Black Hole, and that it's slightly ajar. So the Raiders have no choice but to tell Asomugha and/or his people that Asomugha will not be traded, up until the moment that it's time to bid him adieu.

Otherwise, the Raiders would have the same problem that the Eagles currently have with McNabb.

If the Asomugha rumours turn out to be true and he is traded this sums up the Raiders as an Organisation. Trading off one of the best DBs in the league for McNabb would be redonculous.

Dohnny Jepp

That has to be pure rumour. The eagles would jump at that!!

DonkeyPokerTour

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

If the Asomugha rumours turn out to be true and he is traded this sums up the Raiders as an Organisation. Trading off one of the best DBs in the league for McNabb would be redonculous.

Clearly missing the point, the Raiders want to keep Asomugha, unfortunately the contract they gave him was rediculous, and they now pritty much want out. Listening to NFL network they said something along the lines of he has clauses in his contract that make it very difficult to franchise tag him. Ideal world for raiders would be to Keep Asomugha but on a different contract, and get McNabb.

tallaghtoutlaws

DonkeyPokerTour wrote: »

Clearly missing the point, the Raiders want to keep Asomugha, unfortunately the contract they gave him was rediculous, and they now pritty much want out. Listening to NFL network they said something along the lines of he has clauses in his contract that make it very difficult to franchise tag him. Ideal world for raiders would be to Keep Asomugha but on a different contract, and get McNabb.

Missing what point? The point of the article I presented? Asomugha is on on a 3 year contract which will become void in 2011 if dont Raiders pay him $16.8 million for 2011 or the franchise tag for a quarterback, whichever is higher. In other words his clauses are asking for a pay increase. But that is after 2 years on his current contract which was signed in Feb 2009. So in the 2011 season those clauses will kick in.

Now McNabb is on a 1 year deal currently with Philly so the Raiders would have to guarantee McNabb increases his current length before the trade or the Raiders will only have him for 2010.

To sum up the Raiders could be the losers either way. Trade for McNabb to move the ridiculous wage of Asomugha elsewhere and take McNabb for a considerable lower contract but only for 1 season.

I never said the Raiders don't want to keep Asomugha now did I? But trading him for a 1 year deal for an aging QB in my eyes will sum up the Raiders as an Organisation. I would prefer to keep Asoumugha for one more year and then worry about the money situation with him in 2011.

Pyjamarama

Good trade for the Browns... Hall(ie nobody), a 4th and a 5th... Will be tough to replace Sheldon. I expect the Eagles to try to trade up for Haden if he slips now..

Didn't see the sticky... move as aprop mods...

Done! Cheers, BL

frostie500

The Chargers have signed Darren Sproles to a one year tender paying him 7.28 million. I have to say that I think it is crazy from the Bolts. They won't get the value out of Sproles who is not a feature back in the NFL and to pay a situational back and-not elite-returner that sort of money seems to be foolish to me.

Apart from that Willie Parker signed to the Redskins who will not have a running back stable of Clinton Portis, Larry Johnston and fast Willie. They clearly aren't afraid of having running backs over 30!

bobby wade

Clinton Portis only turns 29 in September & Parker only turns 30 during the season, have to say I was surprised to find out Portis was only 28, seems to be around forever

tallaghtoutlaws

McNabb to Redskins. Took this from Schefter's Twitter.

Adam_Schefter

Filed to ESPN: Donovan McNabb has been traded to the Washington Redskins. Compensation still unknown. But McNabb's a Redskin.

Adam_Schefter

Filed to ESPN: Mcnabb to Redskins for 2nd-rd pick this year and either a 3 or 4 next year depending on certain conditions. 5 minutes ago via web


Adam_Schefter

The Kevin Kolb Era is now underway in Philadelphia. 16 minutes ago via web

Tristram

Glad to see Kolb getting his chance now. Quick-fix for Redskins at QB.

Pyjamarama

If Jeff Garcia can lead a worse offense to the playoffs i see no reason Kolb can't...

Neil3030

Seattle sends G Sims to Detroit for DE Henderson

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

RENTON, Wash. -- The Seattle Seahawks have traded guard Rob Sims to the Detroit Lions for defensive end Robert Henderson.

The deal was announced by the Seahawks on Monday. The teams also swapped draft picks with Seattle getting Detroit's fifth-round pick in this month's draft, and the Lions getting the first of Seattle's two seventh-round picks.

Sims was Seattle's fourth-round pick in the 2006 draft and started 34 of 45 games played in his four seasons with the Seahawks. Sims started all 14 games he played in last season at left guard.

Henderson was a sixth-round pick of the New York Giants in 2008 and signed with Detroit as a free agent. He spent the season on the Lions practice squad.

LINK

Some are saying the deal was actually Sims for the 5th rounder and Henderson for the 7th rounder.

themont85

Neil3030 wrote: »

LINK

Some are saying the deal was actually Sims for the 5th rounder and Henderson for the 7th rounder.

Good deal for the Lions, Sims should help there line immediately and getting any kind of help for Stafford for so cheap is great with massive defensive needs that can be addressed early on in the draft.

Chucky the tree

Moot point now obv. but the Raiders wouldn't have traded Nnamdi for McNabb as a straight swap. I'd say the deal would have been McNabb and pick #24 for Nnamdi.

frostie500

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Moot point now obv. but the Raiders wouldn't have traded Nnamdi for McNabb as a straight swap. I'd say the deal would have been McNabb and pick #24 for Nnamdi.

The Eagles wouldnt have traded their starting QB and a first for a corner, no matter how good Asomugha is. If their first rounder was involved in it the only way it would make sense from the Eagles would be to trade first and McNabb for Asomugha and the Raiders second and fourth rounders or something like that

Chucky the tree

frostie500 wrote: »

The Eagles wouldnt have traded their starting QB and a first for a corner, no matter how good Asomugha is. If their first rounder was involved in it the only way it would make sense from the Eagles would be to trade first and McNabb for Asomugha and the Raiders second and fourth rounders or something like that

A 4th round pick would have been okay but if we added a second rounder it would have been a horrible trade for us.

kev_s88

Chucky the tree wrote: »

A 4th round pick would have been okay but if we added a second rounder it would have been a horrible trade for us.

It is Al Davis though....

cruiserweight

Brandon Marshall has signed his tender from the Broncos, so the way is now open for a trade

bobby wade

Brandon Marshall traded to the Dolphins for a 2nd this year & an undisclosed pick next year rumoured to be a 2nd (I'd expect that to be conditional)

evil_seed

reports on nfl.com that the steelers have been looking to trade big ben. big mistake if you ask me. as much of a fool as he has been off the field he is the franchise QB. i could see the raiders or chiefs going for him if he hits the trade market

Dohnny Jepp

I read on nfl.com that this is only scare tactics to make Big Ben change his ways. It's the Rooney's pretty much giving him his last warning.

From my understanding the only way they will trade him is if the deal lets them land the overall first pick because apparently Rooney loves bradford and see's him as a "sure thing"

DonkeyPokerTour

evil_seed wrote: »

reports on nfl.com that the steelers have been looking to trade big ben. big mistake if you ask me. as much of a fool as he has been off the field he is the franchise QB. i could see the raiders or chiefs going for him if he hits the trade market

Raiders maybe but the Chiefs? They just gave Matt Cassle a huge contract, I think there going to give him more than 1 year as their QB.

The Rams would probably be interested, Big Ben is the type of player would could really help a weaker team as they start to rebuild their O-Line because he is so tough to sack. Will make up slightly for a less than perfect O-Line.

Mr. Guappa

49ers pick up Ted Ginn Jr. from the Dolphins for a 5th rounder. He needed a change of scenery and should improve the niners return game and maybe compete for the second WR slot opposite Crabtree.

Peyton Manning

I can never think of Ted Ginn Jr. and not think of this compilation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYSxJgjjJFc

He's a fantastic athlete, but he has absolutely terrible hands.