Munster Leinster Good Friday - Reprecussions for City?

Paulegend

Kess73 wrote: »

One thing that I am curious on is that when there is a Munster game in TP, the local media always report it as being worth about 10 million or so to the local economy.


Yet I was reading an article today about the Ireland-Brazil match being held in London, and basically they were saying that if such a game was held in Croke Park with 60,000 in attendence, then it might be worth up to 5 million to the local economy there.


What I am curious about is how some reckon a Munster game with a crowd of 15k to 25k can be estimated to be worth twice the value to the local economy as a game that could bring in 50k to 60k of people.


My gut reaction is that the 10 million figure is just spin.

well when you think about it alot of fans that would go to an Ireland game(soccer) wouldnt be staying the night never mind the weekend(such as rugby fans who come to thomond) so that would explain alot of extra revenue. alot of rugby fans travel over from th uk and europe to thomond. soccer wouldnt have as many

Berty

The Dug Out in Thomond Park will be open on Friday 2nd April.

Kess73

Paulegend wrote: »

well when you think about it alot of fans that would go to an Ireland game(soccer) wouldnt be staying the night never mind the weekend(such as rugby fans who come to thomond) so that would explain alot of extra revenue. alot of rugby fans travel over from th uk and europe to thomond. soccer wouldnt have as many

Yeah I know that, but in Liverpool a huge amount of the crowd is from out of town and from abroad. With a much larger stadium and a larger number of people staying overnight/for the weekend. Yet the estimated figures come nowhere close to what the Munster games are estimated to be worth per game.

Just find it strange that such a high figure is claimed for what is a medium sized sporting crowd.

zuroph

Kess73 wrote: »

Yeah I know that, but in Liverpool a huge amount of the crowd is from out of town and from abroad. With a much larger stadium and a larger number of people staying overnight/for the weekend. Yet the estimated figures come nowhere close to what the Munster games are estimated to be worth per game.

Just find it strange that such a high figure is claimed for what is a medium sized sporting crowd.

have ya seen the price of drink in Limerick? nevermind the hotels.

phog

Kess73 wrote: »

One thing that I am curious on is that when there is a Munster game in TP, the local media always report it as being worth about 10 million or so to the local economy.


My gut reaction is that the 10 million figure is just spin.

Not sure if the 10m is accurate but it was based on the H/Cup 1/4 final against the Ospreys last year. The game was played on a Sunday afternoon. It's possible that Munster fans based abroad and the Osprey fans would all have taken hotel space for the week-end. Remember that the visiting team are entitled to a bigger share of the tickets than a pool game or a ML game, so a QF could have a bigger impact than a capacity crowd at a ML game.

Also, it's not just the 26k fans that arrive in the city for the big games, there may be spouses, friends aside from sponsors and media.

Kess73

phog wrote: »

Not sure if the 10m is accurate but it was based on the H/Cup 1/4 final against the Ospreys last year. The game was played on a Sunday afternoon. It's possible that Munster fans based abroad and the Osprey fans would all have taken hotel space for the week-end. Remember that the visiting team are entitled to a bigger share of the tickets than a pool game or a ML game, so a QF could have a bigger impact than a capacity crowd at a ML game.

Also, it's not just the 26k fans that arrive in the city for the big games, there may be spouses, friends aside from sponsors and media.

But the same could be said for pretty much any big sporting event. Spouses, friends etc would all be in tow.

I was just curious though. Although I think the estimates are overly generous, I would prefer them to be right as it would mean more potential income for the town.

Paulegend

ok here we go

Munster vrs Glasgow
friday 26th march 2010
at Thomond Park


lets say im from Glasgow



all together "your from glasgow!!!"

ok now the joke's outta the way.

im travelling from glasgow and im going to come over on the friday and stay til sunday evening.


transport - 80+ for ferry and approx 80+ fuel. or a plane to shannon for 13.00(ryanair price as of this second) a return is impossible with ryanair right now. i was checking for other flights and realised im only from glasgow for the purposes of this and i dont really care that much so :P
match ticket - 35(standard ticket)
hotel - 118(2 nights in jurys inn as of right now. without breakfast)
food (fri, sat, sun) - breakfast-30(@10 quid a breakfast) dinner-45(@15 quid a dinner) anything else-30(just stuff like the paper a coffee a bar of chocolate ciggarettes or whatever)
drink - 20 pints all weekend @ 4.50(approx) - 90 quid (thats only if it was just 20 pints throughtout friday, friday night at the game, saturday, saturday night and anyone not driving sunday)
buses or taxis - easily 20 quid

80 (ferry)
80 (petrol)
35 (match ticket)
118 (hotel)
30 (breakfast)
45 (dinner)
30 (other miscelanious)
90 (drink)
20 (local transport)
528 (total)
368 (w/o ferry and petrol) @ 1,000 people is €368,000

so 100 people coming over here could easily bring in alot of cash to the local economy

dont know about 10 million

i think i made my point and now im going to rest. im sick of numbers:D

thats just away fans ive counted.

26,000 people would generate about €9,568,000 with these figures

Itsdacraic

Could you not just google the report and see where the figures came from? I did but I couldn't be arsed posting it up for you.

Paulegend - you actually have it right to within €1!

Paulegend

Itsdacraic wrote: »

Could you not just google the report and see where the figures came from? I did but I couldn't be arsed posting it up for you.

Paulegend - you actually have it right to within €1!

your so lazy:D

Berty

Not everybody would be spending €528

26,500 is the capacity. You could divide the figures above by half and then take some more away because many of the atendees would be home supporters.

For me. I drive to Thomond Park(do not pay for fuel), park for free in sister in laws driveway across the road, and use my season ticket which means I have paid around €38 for the ticket. I watch the match and possibly(rarely) buy a programme for €5. During the match I sit quietly and possibly go for a smoke at half time. Afterwards I leave and drive home.

I am like many people who visit Thomond Park with only the away supporters and the minority of home hitting the town.

Roadend

Berty wrote: »

. During the match I sit quietly

Are they charging for opening your mouth in there these days?

Kess73

Paulegend wrote: »

ok here we go

Munster vrs Glasgow
friday 26th march 2010
at Thomond Park


lets say im from Glasgow



all together "your from glasgow!!!"

ok now the joke's outta the way.

im travelling from glasgow and im going to come over on the friday and stay til sunday evening.


transport - 80+ for ferry and approx 80+ fuel. or a plane to shannon for 13.00(ryanair price as of this second) a return is impossible with ryanair right now. i was checking for other flights and realised im only from glasgow for the purposes of this and i dont really care that much so :P
match ticket - 35(standard ticket)
hotel - 118(2 nights in jurys inn as of right now. without breakfast)
food (fri, sat, sun) - breakfast-30(@10 quid a breakfast) dinner-45(@15 quid a dinner) anything else-30(just stuff like the paper a coffee a bar of chocolate ciggarettes or whatever)
drink - 20 pints all weekend @ 4.50(approx) - 90 quid (thats only if it was just 20 pints throughtout friday, friday night at the game, saturday, saturday night and anyone not driving sunday)
buses or taxis - easily 20 quid

80 (ferry)
80 (petrol)
35 (match ticket)
118 (hotel)
30 (breakfast)
45 (dinner)
30 (other miscelanious)
90 (drink)
20 (local transport)
528 (total)
368 (w/o ferry and petrol) @ 1,000 people is €368,000

so 100 people coming over here could easily bring in alot of cash to the local economy

dont know about 10 million

i think i made my point and now im going to rest. im sick of numbers:D

thats just away fans ive counted.

26,000 people would generate about €9,568,000 with these figures

Which would work if the ground was totally sold out and nobody at the game was local.

Paulegend

Berty wrote: »

Not everybody would be spending €528

26,500 is the capacity. You could divide the figures above by half and then take some more away because many of the atendees would be home supporters.

For me. I drive to Thomond Park(do not pay for fuel), park for free in sister in laws driveway across the road, and use my season ticket which means I have paid around €38 for the ticket. I watch the match and possibly(rarely) buy a programme for €5. During the match I sit quietly and possibly go for a smoke at half time. Afterwards I leave and drive home.

I am like many people who visit Thomond Park with only the away supporters and the minority of home hitting the town.

actually the 9+million figure is if everyone was spending the €368 not €528

you dont have to pay for fuel??? wow thats some deal you got going on.

only the minority hit town???? another big wow there

i accept thatmost dont spend that kinda cash. in fact i never suggested they do. all i was suggesting is thats where they got the €10 million figure from.

that been said the average supporter(yes real supporters aswell) will go for a pint on the way(5-15 quid) the pay for the ticket(35. although sometimes;)) they have a couple pints at the game(10 quid) and they go for a couple after(20 quid). that one average person alone is spending 80 quid

if you take that 80 quid and multiply it by 26,000 how much do you get???????????????????????? a grand total of €2,080,000

thats over 2 million on just a match ticket and 9 pints each. you can shift around that if you want with food costs because the chippers are always full the restraunts are always full on match day. pubs are always full.

say what you like but its def worth alot to the local economy

NewDirection

Berty wrote: »

Not everybody would be spending €528

26,500 is the capacity. You could divide the figures above by half and then take some more away because many of the atendees would be home supporters.

For me. I drive to Thomond Park(do not pay for fuel), park for free in sister in laws driveway across the road, and use my season ticket which means I have paid around €38 for the ticket. I watch the match and possibly(rarely) buy a programme for €5. During the match I sit quietly and possibly go for a smoke at half time. Afterwards I leave and drive home.

I am like many people who visit Thomond Park with only the away supporters and the minority of home hitting the town.

You sound like great craic to go to a match with.

Paulegend

Kess73 wrote: »

Which would work if the ground was totally sold out and nobody at the game was local.

jesus people are very nit picky:D

i was explaining where the 10 million figure came from

Itsdacraic

Paulegend wrote: »

jesus people are very nit picky:D

i was explaining where the 10 million figure came from

It's gas, I'd say one thing if this report was a top secret document, but you have 3 pages here of people arguing over where the report did or didn't get it's figures from without anybody even bothering to read it or even posting it up.

Kess73

Itsdacraic wrote: »

It's gas, I'd say one thing if this report was a top secret document, but you have 3 pages here of people arguing over where the report did or didn't get it's figures from without anybody even bothering to read it or even posting it up.

Well where it caught my eye was having it on the front page of yesterday's Limerick Leader. There was no break down or mention there that the figure of up to 10 million was only valid if every single person at the match was non local and all 26,500 were staying in hotels and all spending nearly €400 each.

It was simply put that the income from TP games was worth up to 10 million each time to Limerick.

I have since googled the report you mentioned, and I now see that it is a total local spin. Basically made up figures as it would be impossible to have 26,500 people at thomond park for a Munster game who were all needing to stay in hotels and spending the same minimum figure.

Paulegend

Itsdacraic wrote: »

It's gas, I'd say one thing if this report was a top secret document, but you have 3 pages here of people arguing over where the report did or didn't get it's figures from without anybody even bothering to read it or even posting it up.

that is kinda funny


i cant find it anywhere :P

glanman

Well I just put in my experience of how an economic impact works... For example, do the flights that traveling fans buy really actually benefit the local economy?? No, they go to Ryanair/aer lingus... My point is that the the reported spend by people is only based on estimates. It is typically asked for example "How much will you/do you expect to spend on beer/food/etc while over at the match". This will be asked before the match and its a guess by the fan, not exact figure. They will probably ask 400-500 people this to get a "statistically sound" result.

It is in the best interest of Munster or any other organisation carrying out an economic impact to have the highest figure possible as it puts them in a good light and stops locals complaining about events as they can say "its worth 10 million".


the report says:

"The application of sensitivity analysis to the economic impact findings highlights an economic range of between €8.388 million and €12.58 that will accrue to city businesses from such events."

I haven't read the report fully but this appears to me that locals spend is included in this and as I stated earlier this is kind of false as if a local spends €100 at the match, its €100 that would have been spent locally in the future... And I would hazard a guess that anywhere up to 15,000 fans would be classed as "locals".


report also says:

"Analysis of local supporter spend suggest that Magners League games will create an economic impact of between €1.2 million and €3.5 million for the city."

Bit more info on the whole thing seeing as ye wont post the report:

http://www.munsterrugby.ie/578.php

All in all there is no doubting that the matches are very good for the economy and can only help Limerick but I would be a little wary of trusting the large figures that are banded around.

Paulegend

i think we are kinda veering away from the point


if 2 million euro is pumped into the local econmy because of 1 match...............

is that not a plaus???????????

its 2 million after all that would not have been made without the match

yea sure the 10 million figure is inflated but the knock on effects of people coming here can only be a good thing.

lets say 1 person comes here from france for a weekend game. they pump upwards of 500 quid at least into the local economy(not counting flights) they might like the place and tell people back home. now the next time they bring a friend or a group of friends. or they holiday here for a few days.

everyone here is trying to just argue the 10 million figure. the 10 million doesnt matter. alot of money is generated by thomond park.

and to actually talk on topic alot of that money is spent in pubs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raiser

Are the Head Shops allowed open on Good Friday?

- I bet half of Limerick is going to watch that Match in a hallucinatory bubble of confusion

The Catholic Church - Pro-Paedophilia and criminalising/shunning/shaming its own abused, while being anti the notion of People who have the cop-on to turn their back on their shameful hypocrisy enjoying themselves......

flutered

Kess73 wrote: »

Yeah I was just curious on it. I grew up in Liverpool and as most know there are top Premiership teams in the city, meaning that pretty much every weekend there is a game that has forty or so thousand people at it, with large numbers coming from other parts of England or abroad, but the studies done on the economic impact of those matches, despite having way more people coming from abroad than many of the Munster games, was coming in at around 3 to 4 million pound worth of business for the city.

So the 10million plus that the local guys say the games in Limerick are worth always seemed very high to me.

I have a feeling that your figures would be closer the mark to be honest, in terms of actual financial impact in Limerick for Munster games.

my obervsations are that liverpool and manchester etc the followers are of a different mindset than theose attending thomond park, many arrive by train, they are immediatly escorted to the ground, any dosh spent is within the confines of the stadium, the % of overnighters in tp would be a lot more than in anfield etc. also they have a different view of entertainment.

Kess73

flutered wrote: »

my obervsations are that liverpool and manchester etc the followers are of a different mindset than theose attending thomond park, many arrive by train, they are immediatly escorted to the ground, any dosh spent is within the confines of the stadium, the % of overnighters in tp would be a lot more than in anfield etc. also they have a different view of entertainment.

The % of overnighters may be higher at TP, but the sheer number of overnighters at a Liverpool game would be much higher than that of a game at Thomond Park. Straight away the stadium holds almost 20,000 people more than TP can.

I don't get your comment about people staying overnight in Liverpool having a different view of entertainment to people staying overnight in Limerick. Do you think that the clubs and pubs are not full after ever Liverpool game, not to mention Everton game?

Same goes for the restaurants, music venues, city centre shopping areas.

Also where do you get that the supporters are immediately escorted to the ground after getting off of the train? Anfield on a match day has streams of people walking from the city centre out to the ground, much like TP has here in Limerick. Hell even the colour red is the main colour seen heading towards both Anfield and TP.

I would not use Old Trafford as an example though as it is a huge stadium with a capacity of 75,000 or so, and probably gets more out of towners and overnighters per match than people that can fit in TP.

Magnum

ok, lets get back to the drink, think of the drink.....

PeteSanchez

I presume thats it...its fixed for that date/time and no matter how much whinging Kiely and Vintners do, it wont be changed??