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Portsmouth seek permission to sell players outside Transfer Window

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Helix wrote: »
    if united lose the league by 1 goal on goal difference after having their 5-0 turned into a 3-0 therell be absolute murder

    This happened in 2006 in the LoI. Shels won the league on Goal Difference from Derry after Dublin City ceased to exist. And yes, there was murder.




    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,518 ✭✭✭matrim


    Des wrote: »
    This happened in 2006 in the LoI. Shels won the league on Goal Difference from Derry after Dublin City ceased to exist. And yes, there was murder.




    :D

    Why is he so angry? He won the league based on the fact that Dublin ceased to exist. Did Stephen Kenny say something about them winning like that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,503 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Des wrote: »
    This happened in 2006 in the LoI. Shels won the league on Goal Difference from Derry after Dublin City ceased to exist. And yes, there was murder.




    :D

    I cringe a little for him everytime I see that clip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,466 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    BBC are saying that FIFA 'look favourably on Portsmouth's request'. Onm the breaking news ticker in the BBC Sport site.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,001 ✭✭✭recylingbin


    Columbia wrote: »
    Bye Pompey.

    Good luck to AFC Portsmouth in the Blue Square.

    At least I'll never have to look at that idiot John Westwood and his stupid hat again.

    edit: every league from League 1 down would have to promote one extra team also, just realised that.

    Time for Celtic or Rangers to start their annual 'let us in' campaign.

    Surely Portsmouth can't be allowed to do this. To buy, another club would have to have it's out of window embargo lifted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭JimsAlterEgo


    excuse my ignorance but could they not agree to sell players now and get a loan based on the fact and the players actually move in July


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭MementoMori


    The BBC are saying about FIFA that they might let them sell but only to Premier League clubs (I assume it's English FA clubs as I can't see too many of the Portsmouth squad being of interest to other Premier League Clubs)

    Listed the Portsmouth squad below and I really can't see them raising much money from selling players. There's only a few who look like they might make some money. Given the ages of the squad I would imagine quite a few of the older/more experienced are probably free in the summer anyway. Even if there are sales, Portsmouth aren't in a strong position so the prices they receive would be on the very low side. I'd imagine the reason they are looking to sell is to cut the wage bill even further but I think that just shows how bad Portsmouth's situation is.


    5 MF Jamie O'Hara (on loan from Tottenham Hotspur)
    9 FW Frédéric Piquionne (on loan from Lyon)
    14 FW Quincy Owusu-Abeyie (on loan from Spartak Moscow)
    18 DF Anthony Vanden Borre (on loan from Genoa)
    32 MF Hassan Yebda (on loan from Benfica)
    24 FW Aruna Dindane (on loan from Lens)


    GK David James – 39
    DF Ricardo Rocha - 31
    MF Aaron Mokoena - 29
    MF Hayden Mullins - 30
    MF Hermann Hreiðarsson - 35
    MF Papa Bouba Diop - 32
    MF Michael Brown - 33
    GK Antti Niemi - 37
    DF Steve Finnan - 33
    FW John Utaka - 28
    FW Danny Webber - 28
    FW Tommy Smith - 29
    GK Jamie Ashdown - 29
    MF Richard Hughes - 30
    MF Kevin-Prince Boateng - 22
    DF Duško Tošić - 25
    DF Tal Ben Haim - 27
    FW Nwankwo Kanu - 33
    MF Angelos Basinas - 34
    DF Marc Wilson - 22
    MF Gaël N'Lundulu
    MF Nadir Belhadj – 27
    DF Joel Ward – 20
    DF James Hurst
    DF Luke Wilkinson
    DF Lennard Sowah -17


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭MementoMori


    Helix wrote: »
    if united lose the league by 1 goal on goal difference after having their 5-0 turned into a 3-0 therell be absolute murder

    I've already posted the relevant rule and link to the offical Premier Leagues rule on this. Any talk of 3-0 wins is completely wrong.

    All the games Portsmouth played would simply be ignored/scrubbed from the record. The league would be a 19 team league for the season with a total of 36 games in the league for all teams. Utd's goal difference would take a big hit having scored 9 and conceeded 1 against Portsmouth. They would also lose 3 points on Chelsea as Chelsea have only played Portsmouth once (won 2 nil)
    excuse my ignorance but could they not agree to sell players now and get a loan based on the fact and the players actually move in July

    Check out the squad list.

    Also if Portsmouth do go out of existence, then you could simply sign the player on a free in the summer - unless you were really really eager to sign a player why would you pay money now for a player who might be free in a couple of months?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭MementoMori


    Some details about a possible investor.

    Also sounds like the court date is set for 1st of March which gives them a bit of extra time to sort something out.

    From a business point of view I find it difficult to see why an investment firm would be interested in paying the bones of £60m to own a club in the Championship who don't own their own stadium and a thread-bare aging squad. I'd be doubtful of the courts allowing them 30 days to do due-diligence.
    Portsmouth pin survival hopes on fifth owner of the season
    • Hong Kong company will pay off debts within a year
    • Club seek permission to sell players outside transfer window
    Jamie Jackson The Guardian, Friday 19 February 2010

    Portsmouth could have a fifth owner this season after the Guardian learned that Endeavor Plan, a Hong Kong-based investment company, has viewed documents relating to the club's financial position and has informed Pompey's chief executive, Peter Storrie, of its interest in buying out the current owner, Balram Chainrai. It has suggested that 30 days' due diligence may be required before being able to complete.

    Endeavor Plan, said to have interestsin New Zealand, Hong Kong and the United States, received the documentation from Storrie, who has been conducting negotiations to seek a new buyer or fresh investment alone. He spoke to Endeavor's owner, the New Zealand businessman Victor Cattermole, earlier this week and Cattermole confirmed his interest in writing.

    It is understood that Endeavor has said that, should any buy-out be successful, the company is confident of clearing all debts to Portsmouth's creditors within a year. It is also thought that Endeavor's interest in buying was included in the statement of affairs lodged with the high court on Wednesday, before Her Majesty's Revenue and Custom's winding-up petition, which will be heard on 1 March. The hearing is for £12.1m in VAT, PAYE and National Insurance, though the club are disputing a sum of £7.1m in VAT.

    Portsmouth had been given a seven-day adjournment to compile the statement of affairs, which was drawn up by the accountants Vantis. The club hope Endeavor's inclusion in the document will help convince the court that they are solvent and can continue as a going concern, rather than having to enter administration or being wound up.

    The club's chances of avoiding these two eventualities could further be strengthened if they can advance negotiations with Cattermole before the 1 March hearing and provide material evidence of this for the court. There is said to be a second potential buyer, whose interest may also have been included in the SOA.

    Cattermole's claim that Portsmouth could be free of their financial problems within a year may depend on him being able to reach agreements with the club's creditors. Sacha Gaydamak, the former owner who sold to Sulaiman al-Fahim last August, is owed around £30.5m, while Chainrai is due at least £17m.

    In a separate development yesterday Portsmouth's desperation to avoid administration was further illustrated when they asked the Premier League to consider allowing them to sell players as soon as possible, outside the normal biannual transfer windows. A club spokesman said: "I can confirm we have put in a request to the Premier League to sell players outside the transfer window. It is something we are exploring."

    While the governing body is considering the request, it will first have to ask the Football Association and Fifa for permission to allow it. It is thought Fifa may not be minded to grant permission due to the number of clubs around the world that also have financial problems. The world governing body would be concerned that it may set a precedent .

    Fahim, meanwhile, has been advised by his legal team to resign as a director and Portsmouth's non-executive *chairman to avoid any potential case against him, should the club have legal difficulties.

    A source close to the businessman also told the Guardian that the 32-year-old has began an action against a journalist for the National, a United Arab Emirates newspaper which two days ago published the claim that an arrest warrant had been issued for Fahim regarding a £1.4m debt.

    The source claimed: "Sulaiman's lawyers are asking him to resign as a director and chairman due to the lack of financial information he has received. They also feel the club is being run while insolvent.

    "They want him to resign to avoid any potential legal case against him as a director, especially as Sulaiman has not attended one board meeting since he sold 90% of his shares to Ali al-Faraj [in October]."

    With regard to the legal proceedings against the journalist the source added: "Sulaiman has today begun the action."

    Portsmouth declined to comment on Cattermole's interest or Fahim's potential resignation. There is, though, a view on the south coast that as owner for 43 days Fahim may bear some responsibility for the club's current situation.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/19/portsmouth-ownership-victor-cattermole


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,466 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Niemi (or even James) would be a good signing for Arsenal, better than what they have on show at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭MementoMori


    Niemi (or even James) would be a good signing for Arsenal, better than what they have on show at the moment.

    Both of them are available on free in the summer, so Portsmouth would be unlikely to get that much money but yeah in terms of cover until the summer might be worth considering for Arsenal and at least would save some wages.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭everdead.ie


    Both of them are available on free in the summer, so Portsmouth would be unlikely to get that much money but yeah in terms of cover until the summer might be worth considering for Arsenal and at least would save some wages.
    James is on huge wages tho isn't he


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,957 ✭✭✭The Volt


    Prince Boateng is solid potential. Belhadj looks useful too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,386 ✭✭✭d22ontour


    Would allowing them to sell players not set a precedent for other clubs to do so who are in the same financial climate ? As much as i wouldn't like to see any club go under regardless of country or league, i think this should be allowed to play out and what happens happens.Premier League didn't have a problem with Portsmouth changing hands over and over when it was plain to see none of the owners had anything in mind to actually benefit the club.We all thought what happened to Leeds was bad, wait till it happens to a lower leveled club.Legally Portsmouth will go down with astonishing debt to earnings which were supposed to be outlawed ?We will see the death of a club due to horrendous mismanagement which was endorsed by the FA/Premier League.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,646 ✭✭✭cooker3


    I simply don't understand how this could be let happen. As terribly run as Leeds were at least they had a reasonable chance of champions league football and getting by. There was no chance for Portsmouth to increase revenue. They were never going to qualify for the champions league. Any new stadium would be an even bigger strain on resources in the short and medium term. How can the accountants just let the club be run at a loss with no possible way of reversing it. It's incredible really.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    premier league teams live in a fantasy world though it seems

    the bubble has to pop eventually


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    Kev_ps3 wrote: »
    What happins when a team goes bust? Does it cease to exist altogether or does it go to the conference or what?
    Columbia wrote: »
    Bye Pompey.

    Good luck to AFC Portsmouth in the Blue Square.

    The Blue Square is the highest rung in non-league football, you can't just parachute in there willy nilly. You've got to work your way up. Unlike football in this country, there's a structure of progression in English football from the top right down to the very bottom.

    cooker3 wrote: »
    As terribly run as Leeds were at least they had a reasonable chance of champions league football and getting by.

    Not really. Shels would have been saved if they beat Deportivo and they would done an awful lot more than "have gotten by." Still doesn't make it right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭MementoMori


    Premier League says no.

    Interesting that what the financial expert is saying in the piece below was pretty much exactly what the financial expert on Sky said last week.

    Looks very bleak.
    Premier League to reject Portsmouth's transfer plea

    The Premier League is expected to reject Portsmouth's request for permission to sell players outside the transfer window, BBC Sport understands.

    Fifa, who sets transfer rules, has indicated it would look favourably on Pompey, who have debts of about £60m.

    But the Premier League board feels it should not favour Portsmouth over other clubs who are battling relegation.

    Pompey are due in court on 1 March to contest a winding-up order which could see them go into administration.

    Should that happen, the club which is rooted to the bottom of the Premier League, will automatically lose nine points and almost certainly be relegated.

    But if their transfer request was granted, helping them stave off administration, it would also aid their bid to stay in the Premier League, which is likely to infuriate their fellow strugglers.

    Fifa confirmed on Thursday that it received correspondence from the Football Association relating to Portsmouth's financial situation.

    Pompey face the threat of administration or liquidation and BBC sports news correspondent Gordon Farquhar believes world football's governing body will support their plea.

    "The argument put to Fifa would say it's the integrity of the competition at stake here - if Portsmouth go under all their points would be cancelled and the league table would be falsely affected," said Farquhar.

    "For the integrity of the sporting competition, it's better if the club can be kept afloat, at least to play out their fixtures until the end of the season."

    In line with the rest of Europe, there are two transfer windows a year in England, running from 1 January to 31 January and from 1 June to 31 August.

    Portsmouth sold three players in that window but their financial position has since worsened and they are desperate to raise extra capital by offloading more players.

    Burnley manager Brian Laws claimed it would be "ridiculous" to allow Pompey to sell players outside the transfer window.

    The Clarets are one off the bottom of the table, seven points better off than Pompey, and Laws said: "Whilst we have every sympathy with a football club that has difficulties, the only ones they should be looking at are themselves.

    The level of debt associated with this case will mean it is unlikely a suitable or willing benefactor will be found - Portsmouth therefore face the very real threat of liquidation

    Financial expert Simon Wilson
    "They got themselves into it, (they should) get themselves out of it. I would hate to think the Premier League would allow them such a ridiculous thing beyond the transfer window.

    "Allowing them to get a player out of the door, get some finances in, and then he goes and scores a goal against us that could be the goal that takes us down - that's ridiculous.

    "I would think 100% of the Premier League would be saying the same, so I don't think they would get much support from the clubs."

    Pompey have not identified any specific players for sale but reports suggest Algeria international Nadir Belhadj, midfielder Kevin Prince-Boateng and young defender Marc Wilson could be made available.

    Portsmouth have already had four owners this season and are understood to be in negotiations with two buyers who are interested in taking them over.

    They survived a winding-up order last week but were forced to deliver a detailed statement of their finances to both the High Court and Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs on Wednesday.

    And they face another winding up petition from HMRC over an unpaid £11.7m tax bill on 1 March.

    Hong Kong-based businessman Balram Chainrai became the club's fourth owner of the season in early February when he secured 90% of the club's shares after previous owner Ali Al Faraj defaulted on loan payments due to Chainrai.

    Portsmouth are eight points from safety in the top flight and their players have been paid late on four occasions this season.

    The club are also involved in a separate dispute with former owner Sacha Gaydamak over whether they have missed a deadline in paying a £9m chunk of the £28m they owe to him.

    The Premier League recently withheld £2m of transfer payments and a £7m slice of television revenue to divert to Chelsea and Watford for the signings of Glen Johnson and Tommy Smith respectively.

    The Fratton Park outfit are also being sued by former defender Sol Campbell for £1.7m for unpaid image rights.

    Meanwhile, a financial expert Simon Wilson says Portsmouth face a very real threat of extinction because of their financial problems and he believes administration is an unlikely option.

    "Arguably, the level of debt associated with this case will mean that it is unlikely that a suitable or willing benefactor will be found," said Wilson, a partner with restructuring experts Zolfo Cooper.

    "Portsmouth therefore face the very real threat of liquidation because it is increasingly unlikely that an administration order will be sought or granted.

    "In this eventuality, the players' contracts are no longer assets of the club and it would lose its membership of the Premier League.

    "The role of the liquidator would be to realise whatever free and available assets still remain.

    "The value of these assets would be nominal. While the unsecured creditors, including HMRC, would likely see no return from such a process, it is not in their interests to continue to support a business that is simply not viable and has no financial substance.

    "To continue to underwrite the club would most likely result in greater losses at a later date. This would be an unprecedented case in the realms of the Premier League and would throw light on the fact that clubs can no longer rely on 'white knights' to rescue them from financial ruin.

    "Many football clubs have allowed their levels of debt to grow to immense proportions. These debts cannot be serviced and investors simply don't have the appetite or ability to take on such poor business propositions."

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/8522283.stm


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,494 ✭✭✭Columbia


    The Blue Square is the highest rung in non-league football, you can't just parachute in there willy nilly. You've got to work your way up. Unlike football in this country, there's a structure of progression in English football from the top right down to the very bottom.

    Ah yeah, you're right. I thought the Blue Square league comprised the next couple of levels below the Conference and Conference North & South, I see now that this isn't the case.

    They wouldn't go all the way to the bottom of the ladder though, AFC Wimbledon went in at level 10 according to Wikipedia, at the Combined Counties League division one, I imagine a hypothetical AFC Portsmouth would end up at similar (South West Peninsula League division one, perhaps).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭MementoMori


    More details on the state of play.

    Cant see them seeing the season out.
    Portsmouth on brink of insolvency with £22m needed to finish season
    • Portsmouth face bankruptcy unless funds are found
    • Balram Chainrai could acquire ground freehold and charge rent
    Jamie Jackson guardian.co.uk, Saturday 20 February 2010 Article history

    The full extent of Portsmouth's dire *financial position can be revealed today after the Guardian has learned that the club are set to be declared insolvent unless they can demonstrate to the high court on 1 March that they can bring in a cash *injection in excess of £20m.

    A total of £22m is required for Portsmouth to continue as a going *concern until the end of season, otherwise they will fold. However, this depends on the Premier League's bottom-placed team *finishing 17th as all the club's forecasts have been based on avoiding relegation. If the club finish 20th then around £26m will be required to keep Portsmouth afloat. Even if Portsmouth were to enter administration, a total of around £14m would be required.

    In a move that will anger fans, sources also claimed that the owner, Balram Chainrai, will be sold the freehold of Fratton Park to pay off £10m of the £17m the Hong Kong businessman is owed. He would then lease it back to the club for a minimum of 15 years for a rent of more than £1m for the first year, before the rate rises.

    Portpin, Chainrai's holding company, will also consider sourcing finance should administration be entered. This offers the firmest evidence yet that Portsmouth are preparing for such an eventuality.

    The stricken south coast club are due to return to the High Court on 1 March to hear the winding-up petition served before Christmas by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs.

    The statement of affairs, prepared by the accountancy firm Vantis, was received by the court on Wednesday and it is currently being examined by HMRC and its lawyers, in addition to the judge who will adjudicate the case.

    On 1 March the statement of affairs will be heard in public for the first time. The winding-up petition concerns an unpaid bill for £12.1m in PAYE, VAT and National Insurance, though the club is disputing £7.1m in VAT.

    Portsmouth will hope to emerge from the hearing having been allowed to *continue as a going concern. But this eventuality is unlikely unless sufficient *monies are raised by Peter Storrie, the chief executive, to meet the demands of HMRC, *convince the court that Portsmouth have regained solvency, and are further able to meet future financial commitments.

    The Guardian revealed yesterday that a Hong Kong-based investment company, Endeavor Plan, has informed Storrie of a potential interest in becoming the club's fifth owner this season. A South *African consortium is also understood to be *considering making a move, although neither approach has so far resulted in a concrete offer.

    The club are so concerned about their cash-flow position that this week they asked the Premier League to allow them to sell some of their players to raise much needed funds.

    Although Fifa was believed to be prepared to back the proposal, the Premier League look likely to block it.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/20/portsmouth-high-court


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,153 ✭✭✭everdead.ie


    Peter Storrie has blown wide open the inside story of where the money has gone at Portsmouth, with Soccernet able to reveal that £131 million has been paid to the players in wages over the past three years.
    peterstorrie20100210_275x155.jpgGettyImages
    Storrie is trying to find a buyer


    Chainrai: Pompey will not die
    South African consortium interested
    Portsmouth owner takes Fratton Park
    Portsmouth nine days from going bust

    The under siege Pompey chief executive is angry that insinuations are flying around that the club's cash has been misappropriated in some way.
    Soccernet can now reveal that the players have taken the biggest chunk of the money, the banks have recalled £40 million of loans and the rest has gone in transfer fees.
    All the figures have been declared to the courts and to the potential South African buyers, with a deal anticipated in the next 48 hours to try to save the club from oblivion.
    Storrie gave a frank and revealing interview in the light of veiled allegations that something untoward has occurred at Fratton Park, with fans demanding to know there the money has gone and TV coverage over the weekend raising questions of what has happened to the money generated by a club that won the FA Cup two years ago.
    Storrie said: "If you want to know where the money has gone, look at the accounts. It's no secret, we've had the report submitted to the courts, and we have presented these accountants to prospective new owners. It's there for all to see.
    "The bulk of the money has gone to the players in wages. The cost of the players' wages this year is £37 million. Last season, when it was running at its height, it was £52 million, and the year before it was £42 million. The vast majority of the money over the last two to three years has gone on players' wages, and also on their transfer fees.
    "It's all very well for Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson to look perplexed about where the money has gone by showing a chart of the players we've bought and looking at that £75 million and adding that to £70 million of debt and asking 'where's the £150 million gone?'
    "In that period we bought £50 million-plus worth of players and paid out their salaries. The list showed one player sold for £18 million, but they never took off the £4 million sell-on fee to Arsenal or the fact that we paid £4 million for him, so in reality we were paid £10 million not the £18 million shown, and that is just one example.
    "It is all so misleading and it leads to one thing: animosity from the supporters who keep asking us where the money has gone. So, it's time they were told. It's gone on the players' wages, on their transfer fees and the bank recalling their loans. That is why we have been forced to keep on selling players over the last 15 months - to keep this club alive."
    Portsmouth's highest earner is David James, who is paid £50,000 a week. Apart from the England goalkeeper few players earn a similar salary as so many of the big earners have now been sold off. John Utaka has been widely reported as earning £80,000 a week, but Storrie made a point of telling Soccernet last week that the real figure is about a third of that. He does, however, boost his earnings with bonus payments.
    Storrie also poses an interesting question for all those clubs currently running on much larger debts than Portsmouth, with his club having been declared insolvent by their own accountants' report to the courts.
    Storrie says: "Yes, we have enormous debts. But don't some other Premier League clubs? Aren't their debts much bigger, in some cases, than ours? The biggest debts are to owners, and they are not calling in their loans.
    "When you look at Chelsea, for example, their owner Roman Abramovich wrote off all their massive debts, wrote it all off, and that says it all."
    The TV analysts over the weekend also posed the question of why South Africans, or anyone else for that matter, would want to take over a club in such financial turmoil. Storrie has a simple answer to that: "I am fed up with everyone highlighting the debts without ever bothering to look at the assets of this football club.
    "The assets of this club are its players, their value in the transfer market, and there are some players whom we would value very highly. There is then the potential for 100,000 square foot of supermarket. You can imagine what that would be worth."
    It has long been suspected that Portsmouth has attracted so many investors because of the lucrative real estate. For now the big battle is over the survival of the very club itself, rather than the potential further down the line to build a new stadium, cash in on the supermarket and realise the huge profits.
    For now it's a tightening of belts, as Storrie added: "We are continuing to cut our overheads dramatically and that means the wage bill. There will be a lot more players out of contract at the end of the season and that will be our opportunity to cut the wage bill to make it more realistic to operate within a 20,000 stadium, until such time that we can move on.
    "In the past the owners have funded the difference between the income from our limited stadium and the huge wage bill, but once that stopped, when Sasha [Gaydamak] sold, is when the trouble started."
    D-day is March 1 and time is running out as Storrie said: "It's going to be a hectic few days. I am heavily in discussions and not been off the phone all day today again. The next couple of days could prove crucial, its going to be a very busy next 48 hours."
    As a detailed accountants' report has been lodged with the courts, due diligence for a new owner can be shortened, and the lawyers are trying to fast-track the fourth takeover of the season. The South African consortium, spearheaded by a sports-orientated investor, has lodged proof of finances with the lawyers and will, on Monday, lodge those proof of funds with the banks.
    Storrie concluded: "Yes, I am hopeful. the club has no price, but the new owners will take over the debts and will be going into this aware of all the financial facts. They will have to come to some kind of arrangement with the Revenue, it will be up to them to reach agreement with the Revenue."
    If that fails on Monday, March 1, then Portsmouth's best option to stay alive would be administration and the faintest of hope Avram Grant has of staying in the Premier League will disappear.
    The argument is growing that with chances of survival on the pitch almost over, administration is the sensible solution. The Premier League will want to avoid that scenario, but are rapidly running out of options to save them.
    Thats a huge wage bill I'm surprised it's still that high tho. I would have thought with the amount of players who left it would of dropped even more so at the moment there paying roughly 712,000 a week in wages


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,910 ✭✭✭✭whatawaster


    Thats a huge wage bill I'm surprised it's still that high tho. I would have thought with the amount of players who left it would of dropped even more so at the moment there paying roughly 712,000 a week in wages

    And they cannot possibly be earning more than a third of that through gate receipts. crazy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,930 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It's funny to see the TV pundits make the same mistake as fans, and only use transfer fees, when ongoing wages are usually the higher cost of any player.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭therecklessone


    The cost of the players' wages this year is £37 million. Last season, when it was running at its height, it was £52 million, and the year before it was £42 million. The vast majority of the money over the last two to three years has gone on players' wages, and also on their transfer fees.

    "It's all very well for Gary Lineker, Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson to look perplexed about where the money has gone by showing a chart of the players we've bought and looking at that £75 million and adding that to £70 million of debt and asking 'where's the £150 million gone?'

    "In that period we bought £50 million-plus worth of players and paid out their salaries. The list showed one player sold for £18 million, but they never took off the £4 million sell-on fee to Arsenal or the fact that we paid £4 million for him, so in reality we were paid £10 million not the £18 million shown, and that is just one example.

    Who signed the cheques and approved the salaries? The tooth fairy?
    John Utaka has been widely reported as earning £80,000 a week, but Storrie made a point of telling Soccernet last week that the real figure is about a third of that. He does, however, boost his earnings with bonus payments.

    Must have been on a splinters in arse bonus then.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    The thing is, Sasha had big plans for the club. He had designs for a new stadium drawn up by the same architects that designed the Allianz arena and the birds nest in Beijing. This must have cost him a fortune and he wouldn't have done it unless there was some real long term plans in place.

    A successful premiership team was core to these plans, so it wasn't unreasonable that he attracted big name players and spent big on them. OK, we had a big wage bill, but that was the only way Pompey had of getting people like Diarra, Defoe and Campbell.

    No one queried the level of debt, because it was all owed to Sasha, it wasn't until he lost interest that it all started going wrong. If Abramovich has jumped ship five years ago, where would Chelsea be today?

    Stupid idea about selling players outside the TW though, that was never going to get approved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,793 ✭✭✭✭JPA


    Fratton Fred, what is thought of Peter Storrie in Portsmouth?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    JPA wrote: »
    Fratton Fred, what is thought of Peter Storrie in Portsmouth?

    Divided opinions tbh. He has worked very hard for the club, but he was the one signing the cheques.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 367 ✭✭sneakyST


    Columbia wrote: »
    They wouldn't go all the way to the bottom of the ladder though, AFC Wimbledon went in at level 10 according to Wikipedia, at the Combined Counties League division one, I imagine a hypothetical AFC Portsmouth would end up at similar (South West Peninsula League division one, perhaps).

    If they went in at 10 it would be the Wessex League Columbia. South West is Cornwall, Devon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Al Falahim has resigned

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/22/portsmouth-sulaiman-al-fahim

    so as not to be liable for any legal action i guess


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    I'll have to change my sig now.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    to the "Judaen People's Front"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭MementoMori


    Kinda clear what Fahim thinks about the club's chances of survival/attracting an investor if he is willing to simply give 10% of the club away.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Kinda clear what Fahim thinks about the club's chances of survival/attracting an investor if he is willing to simply give 10% of the club away.

    he has actually been talking about it a lot and the PST have met with him on several occasions so he may actually be doing something fairly genuine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭MementoMori


    Call me cynical but I would be suspicious of Fahim's motives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,492 ✭✭✭MementoMori


    More bad news - one of the two interested purchasers drops out.
    Portsmouth stare into the abyss as Victor Cattermole deal recedes
    • New Zealander will not buy club before court hearing
    • Fahim resigns from board as survival options narrow
    Jamie Jackson guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 23 February 2010

    Portsmouth began the most critical seven days of their 112-year history by suffering a heavy blow to their hopes of surviving when Victor Cattermole, one of the *parties interested in buying the club, ruled out taking over before Monday's winding‑up petition.

    Cattermole's company, Endeavor Plan, was named by Portsmouth as one of two prospective buyers in the statement of affairs demanded by the high court. *Speaking from New Zealand Cattermole told the Guardian: "In an ideal world we would like to purchase the club before Monday, but we will not be rushed. The unfortunate thing is putting anything together in business takes time. Most processes like this cannot be rushed."

    Cattermole said he does retain an interest in buying Portsmouth, even if he may have to wait until the outcome of *Monday's hearing. Had he the finance to take over? "Yes, we believe we do," Cattermole said. "It's a complex process – that's part of the due diligence process."

    In a letter to Peter Storrie sent last week Cattermole informed Portsmouth's chief executive that he would require 30 days' due diligence. He is examining *paperwork, regarding a potential *takeover. He said: "We've actually been going through information daily. I am speaking with Balu *[Balram Chainrai, the owner]."

    Portsmouth are about £60m in debt and require at least £22m to continue as a going concern until the end of the season. This predicament, plus the fractured internal politics of the club, would appear to make purchasing Portsmouth a distinctly unattractive proposition. But Cattermole insists he wishes to buy. He said: "Every proposition can be viewed in many different ways. You might see a whole load of debts and problems; when you analyse where [the club] stands and when you start to break it down into small portions I see opportunities – you have to look at the positive side."

    Cattermole said that were he to buy he would adopt a different approach from the current regime: "We would plan to go forward with a different strategy over a five-year period. *Moving to playing somewhere else, building another stadium is one option.

    "Everyone agrees the stadium is too small," he said of Fratton Park's 20,688 capacity. "As a result it seems quite expensive to support the club. I'd rather see more fans supporting the club, able to watch the team at home for a lower price for a ticket."

    A South African consortium is the other stated interested party. But Cattermole is unconcerned regarding any potential rival and refused to say whether he believed the South African consortium is further ahead in negotiations. "I haven't thought about it. If they come through or anyone else come through and we miss out that's just life."

    Chainrai was in talks yesterday and last night that were expected to continue today. A spokesperson for Chainrai said: "Mr Chainrai and Mr Kushnir [his business partner] are doing all they can to reach a conclusion that will secure the long-term future of Portsmouth Football Club."

    Chainrai has stated that if a new buyer or investor cannot be found then he will step in to save the club himself.

    Portsmouth's stability suffered a further blow yesterday when Sulaiman *al-Fahim, who owns 10% of the club, resigned from the board and as *non-executive *chairman. He said: "This is a community club and should be owned by the fans and supporters. They should be involved and have full transparency in their club. The supporters should have a say in it. And the club should be managed with financial transparency."

    Fahim plans to give his 10% share to the Pompey Supporters Trust, so that the club's fans can influence Portsmouth's future. But the move has caused disquiet on the south coast, as it is understood that the South African consortium wish to *purchase the full 100%.

    A trust spokesman said: "We have only heard from Sulaiman through the media and are surprised as only last week he was saying he wanted to buy the club again."

    Portsmouth were also due to pay a monthly PAYE and National Insurance bill of £1.8m yesterday. It was unclear if these monies had been paid but if the club failed to meet the commitment it would only weaken Portsmouth's case at the high court when it fights for survival because the original petition was brought by HM Revenue and Customs for a PAYE, national insurance and VAT bill of £12.1m.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/23/portsmouth-victor-cattermole-takeover-bid


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Portsmouth are being called back into court by the inland revenue who are questioning the validity of them going into administration. They may not be out of the woods yet re: the winding up order.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    yeah heard that earlier

    i hope they survive it


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