Everton vs. Man Utd, Today 12:45, SS1

Spiritoftheseventies

deisedevil wrote: »

Nah, I won't thanks. Pool fan wishing Chelsea well in a match thread for Everton v United. wtf?

Wonder why that is :rolleyes:

ROCKMAN

Think Fergies interview was just the same as any honest Utd Fan on here ,taking nothing away from Everton they deserved everything they got , but simply Utd's performance and effort today just cannot be defended .

CHD

You know what is funny?

Fergie hopes Chelsea get battered then they go and get battered at Goodison


lol AMIRITE?


Also Moyes needs a top job.

deisedevil

CHD wrote: »

You know what is funny?

Fergie hopes Chelsea get battered then they go and get battered at Goodison


lol AMIRITE?


Also Moyes needs a top job.

Not funny at all. Cmon, do better!

Third_Echelon

Fantastic performance from Everton today. Thoroughly deserved the win. Missing two of our talisman in Felliani and Cahill, the midfield put in a very good performance. Osman played really well. He can be labeled as 'lightweight' at times, but he hassled and harried united players at every chance he could. Running and tracking down the ball. He did a lot of the donkey work today...

Arteta took over the felliani role, holding in midfield. Still looks a bit off the pace, but his passing was excellent. Baines, Pienaar, Donavan, Heitinga all had great performances. Just shows what we can actually do with a bit of consistency in the side..

4th isn't looking all that out of reach now... We have a good a chance as any..

Spiritoftheseventies

CHD wrote: »

You know what is funny?

Fergie hopes Chelsea get battered then they go and get battered at Goodison


lol AMIRITE?


Also Moyes needs a top job.

The champions league seems to be the holy grail for Roman. and Chelsea manager on record as saying its the trophy he wants to win as well.

m@cc@

CHD wrote: »

You know what is funny?

Fergie hopes Chelsea get battered then they go and get battered at Goodison


lol AMIRITE?


Also Moyes needs a top job.

Ahem, funny? Really?

x in the city

CHD wrote: »

You know what is funny?

Fergie hopes Chelsea get battered then they go and get battered at Goodison


lol AMIRITE?


Also Moyes needs a top job.

He is in a 'top' job...:rolleyes:

You think if he was in Charge of Chelsea he would win a title...

expecting to win every game at a canter and knowing a defeat would leave you vunerable and 2 defeats on the trop a likely sacking might not suit the man.

Mr Alan

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Fantastic performance from Everton today. Thoroughly deserved the win. Missing two of our talisman in Felliani and Cahill, the midfield put in a very good performance. Osman played really well. He can be labeled as 'lightweight' at times, but he hassled and harried united players at every chance he could. Running and tracking down the ball. He did a lot of the donkey work today...

Arteta took over the felliani role, holding in midfield. Still looks a bit off the pace, but his passing was excellent. Baines, Pienaar, Donavan, Heitinga all had great performances. Just shows what we can actually do with a bit of consistency in the side..

4th isn't looking all that out of reach now... We have a good a chance as any..

Aren't you like 8 points off Liverpool and City? And potentially Villa? Not happening tbh.

Soldie

Shocking performance from Utd.

CHD

x in the city wrote: »

He is in a 'top' job...:rolleyes:

You think if he was in Charge of Chelsea he would win a title...

expecting to win every game at a canter and knowing a defeat would leave you vunerable and 2 defeats on the trop a likely sacking might not suit the man.

He is gone when he is offered a top job. He is not in one now, he is doing one now.

m@cc@ wrote: »

Ahem, funny? Really?

Bad cough? Funny? Hilarious actually.

Spiritoftheseventies wrote: »

The champions league seems to be the holy grail for Roman. and Chelsea manager on record as saying its the trophy he wants to win as well.

Yeah, not going to bother with the league at all is he.

deisedevil wrote: »

Not funny at all. Cmon, do better!

It is funny Do what better?

m@cc@

Mr Alan wrote: »

Aren't you like 8 points off Liverpool and City? And potentially Villa? Not happening tbh.

6 off Liverpool, 7 off City with City having a game in hand. A place in the Europa League more likely for the Merseyside clubs.

CHD wrote: »

It is funny Do what better?

Leagues won and CLs by Chelsea in the past 3 years. Tee hee hee.

Third_Echelon

Third_Echelon wrote: »

Fantastic performance from Everton today. Thoroughly deserved the win. Missing two of our talisman in Felliani and Cahill, the midfield put in a very good performance. Osman played really well. He can be labeled as 'lightweight' at times, but he hassled and harried united players at every chance he could. Running and tracking down the ball. He did a lot of the donkey work today...

Arteta took over the felliani role, holding in midfield. Still looks a bit off the pace, but his passing was excellent. Baines, Pienaar, Donavan, Heitinga all had great performances. Just shows what we can actually do with a bit of consistency in the side..

4th isn't looking all that out of reach now... We have a good a chance as any..

Everton have left it too late to take 4th.

Lets get realistic here.

CHD

m@cc@ wrote: »

6 off Liverpool, 7 off City with City having a game in hand. A place in the Europa League more likely for the Merseyside clubs.



Leagues won and CLs by Chelsea in the past 3 years. Tee hee hee.

What? Oh.... your annoyed because you got beat 3-1 by Everton. It is ok buddy.

m@cc@

CHD wrote: »

What? Oh.... your annoyed because you got beat 3-1 by Everton. It is ok buddy.

I know, defeat don't come often enough.

m@cc@

m@cc@ wrote: »

I know, defeat don't come often enough.

That's the sixth of the season tbf.

Mikeyt086

Everton were excellent today, defended well and generally outworked United. WHY DID VALENCIA COME OFF??? Carrick for Scholes is what i thought would happen Carrick was a passenger yet again.

Wes Brown and Johnny Evans as a patnership is a total nightmare. I just dont think Wes is up to playing CB anymore, DEFINATELY not without either Rio or Vidic.

But the reality is, Wayne didnt play well today, therefor we didnt play well. Its bloody annoying having nobody else who is willing to take the game by the scruff of the neck.

CHD

m@cc@ wrote: »

I know, defeat don't come often enough.

Kinda does this year for you lot.

Mr Alan

tis funny how people criticize Liverpool for being a two man team. when in reality, united are utterly dependant on one player.

Spiritoftheseventies

Mr Alan wrote: »

Aren't you like 8 points off Liverpool and City? And potentially Villa? Not happening tbh.

I agree. Bookies have it as a two horse race for fourth spot according to yesterday. Spurs have drifted out in the betting so would not think Everton would be in the running. That said they are a very competitive team.

SlickRic

Mr Alan wrote: »

tis funny how people criticize Liverpool for being a two man team. when in reality, united are utterly dependant on one player.

God help them if that one player tails off at all.

Boggles

Mr Alan wrote: »

tis funny how people criticize Liverpool for being a two man team. when in reality, united are utterly dependant on one player.

Horseshít.

Weren't you on here a few months ago saying Rooney wasn't much better than Kuyt?

Tune change extreme.

Paul Tergat

Boggles wrote: »

Horseshít.

Weren't you on here a few months ago saying Rooney wasn't much better than Kuyt?

Tune change extreme.

Last season it was all we are too reliant on Ronaldo.

Bad result and bad performance but as usual people go overboard.

x in the city

the whole idea is to get 1 up on the bookies

Nurnberg were about 8s to score the next goal vs Munich....

anyone get in.?

CHD

Mr Alan wrote: »

tis funny how people criticize Liverpool for being a two man team. when in reality, united are utterly dependant on one player.

I have made this point a few times and people laugh. Such silly people.

Mr Alan

i made a detailed post about my thoughts on Rooney in the thread about him boggles. have a read, he has upped his game big time this season, and finally turned into the player i thought he was going to years ago.

CHD

x in the city wrote: »

the whole idea is to get 1 up on the bookies

Nurnberg were about 8s to score the next goal vs Munich....

anyone get in.?

wat

Third_Echelon

Mr Alan wrote: »

Aren't you like 8 points off Liverpool and City? And potentially Villa? Not happening tbh.

1 Chelsea 27 40 61
2 Man Utd 27 39 57
3 Arsenal 27 32 55
4 Man City 25 15 45
5 Liverpool 26 16 44
6 Tottenham 26 19 43
7 Aston Villa 25 13 42
8 Everton 26 1 38

herbieflowers

Mr Alan wrote: »

tis funny how people criticize Liverpool for being a two man team. when in reality, united are utterly dependant on one player.

I agree with this, but "utterly dependent" is just bad English. It is a team game after all - Rooney's not in goal now, is he?

Tbh, I think this kind of comment is thrown around to disparage other teams (last few seasons it was Ronaldo...), when many teams have a player who, when they don't play / play well, has a detrimental effect on the team's performance.

It's myopic to view one player's presence in the side / performance as wholly affecting that team's performance.

SlickRic

p_larkin99 wrote: »

Last season it was all we are too reliant on Ronaldo.

Bad result and bad performance but as usual people go overboard.

people still recognised Rooney's importance.

it's not a bad thing to be reliant on your best player/s; it's not something anyone supporting any team should be ashamed of.

adox

Mr Alan wrote: »

tis funny how people criticize Liverpool for being a two man team. when in reality, united are utterly dependant on one player.

Hardly a fair comparison. There's a huge gulf between what United have left and what Liverpool have left.

Paul Tergat

Third_Echelon wrote: »

1 Chelsea 27 40 61
2 Man Utd 27 39 57
3 Arsenal 27 32 55
4 Man City 25 15 45
5 Liverpool 26 16 44
6 Tottenham 26 19 43
7 Aston Villa 25 13 42
8 Everton 26 1 38

Oh have Chelsea and Arsenal already won? Must have been early KO's too

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

tis funny how people criticize Liverpool for being a two man team. when in reality, united are utterly dependant on one player.

He's the main man alright but Valancia/Fletcher and Evra are all quality.

The rest of that team out today though was very ordinary.

It is fair to say that if Rooney went 5/6 games without scoring united would struggle big time.

Paul Tergat

SlickRic wrote: »

people still recognised Rooney's importance.

it's not a bad thing to be reliant on your best player/s; it's not something anyone supporting any team should be ashamed of.

Any team relies on its better players, its why they're there.

My point was that last season a lot of people were saying we're a one man team and its all about Ronaldo. He leaves and now its one man team with Rooney. Annoying really.

Spiritoftheseventies

SlickRic wrote: »

people still recognised Rooney's importance.

it's not a bad thing to be reliant on your best player/s; it's not something anyone supporting any team should be ashamed of.

Felt Milan gave him way too much space last Thursday. Like i said before key for me was way United's head dropped after Everton's goal with Everton finishing the stronger of the two.

Boggles

To say United are "utterly dependant" on one player is moronic in the extreme. The ignorance of such a statement cannot be put into words TBH.

SlickRic

Boggles wrote: »

To say any team is "utterly dependant" on one player is moronic in the extreme. The ignorance of such a statement cannot be put into words TBH.

fyp.

Spiritoftheseventies

Boggles wrote: »

To say United are "utterly dependant" on one player is moronic in the extreme. The ignorance of such a statement cannot be put into words TBH.

Either way they were missing something today.

CHD

Boggles wrote: »

To say United are "utterly dependant" on one player is moronic in the extreme. The ignorance of such a statement cannot be put into words TBH.

Where would United be without Rooney this year? Miles behind.

Certainly not moronic, the word you are after is accurate.

Mr Alan

valencia isn't 'quality', he's a good player, but nowhere near as good as evra/fletcher. I think its fair to say the likes of Johnson/Mascherano would equally disprove the whole two man team thing at Liverpool too. Just trying to point out how annoying it is to have that as a criticism constantly thrown at Liverpool when its more true of United.

Mr Alan

boggles, they are dependant on Rooney. Nothing wrong wit that though-he is their player afterall.

CHD

CHD wrote: »

Where would United be without Rooney this year? Miles behind.

Certainly not moronic, the word you are after is accurate.

Chelsea without Drogba this season would be a different outfit.

Pool without Torres - we can see how they have suffered.

Every team has a main man, and most will suffer without him.

Boggles

CHD wrote: »

Where would United be without Rooney this year? Miles behind.

How do you know that?

SlickRic

CHD wrote: »

Where would United be without Rooney this year? Miles behind.

Certainly not moronic, the word you are after is accurate.

and Chelsea without Drogba?

all of this is can be attributed to all teams.

no team is 'utterly dependent' on anyone.

great players make a huge difference, but that does not mean the team does not function without them.

jesus_thats_gre

United have traditionally always had an extremely good first 11 that was complemented by a very good squad.

At the moment, they have a very good first team that is complemented by a good squad. They are lacking top class talent in the first team, have too much over hyped average players in the squad and are too dependent on the likes of Giggs and Scholes.

They need to spend some money in the summer. They will need to spend a **** load unless a few investments come good soon. Will be interesting to see what they have available.

All the top teams have a top class striker that they are dependent on. Most also have a top class midfielder that they are dependent on.. Unfortunately for United, they are the only ones without a top class midfielder.

CHD

Lads did you see Chelsea in January? Unbeaten.

Next!

Mr Alan

rarnes-exactly, however, it only seems to be against Liverpool where it used as an extreme criticism.

PHB

Mr Alan wrote: »

seriously, what the **** is up wit ferguson? he seems to be accepting lately that they're not good enough when they lose games-something he has NEVER done, has he run out of excuses or desire or is he mellowing in his old age?

Actually, he used to often do it. Throughout his career he has alternated between:
- Accepting defeat and blaming the team
- Blaming it on the ref, the wind, the colour of the jerseys, whatever

It just depends on what mentality he is trying to get in the team. Sometimes he wants to build an us against them, something he wants them to realise their mistakes and step up.

adox

Mr Alan wrote: »

valencia isn't 'quality', he's a good player, but nowhere near as good as evra/fletcher. I think its fair to say the likes of Johnson/Mascherano would equally disprove the whole two man team thing at Liverpool too. Just trying to point out how annoying it is to have that as a criticism constantly thrown at Liverpool when its more true of United.

So you are saying United are more reliant on Rooney than Liverpool are on Gerrard and torres? you can't in all seriousness think that?

CHD

CHD wrote: »

Lads did you see Chelsea in January? Unbeaten.

Next!

Childish post tbh