Two years for steroids

nij

Punishment IRL wrote: »

I've two private gyms, one in town, one in swords. I would'nt have any users near the place. Anyone showing signs or side effects are tested.

I assume those are soccer-mom-on-treadmill gyms. I personally prefer gyms run by people who don't stick their noses into people's private lives. I mean, WTF harm are steroid users doing to your business? They come to lift weights. That is all.

digme

nij wrote: »

I assume those are soccer-mom-on-treadmill gyms. I personally prefer gyms run by people who don't stick their noses into people's private lives. I mean, WTF harm are steroid users doing to your business? They come to lift weights. That is all.

and sell drugs.

PeakOutput

ya-ba-da-ba-doo wrote: »

Not really. Doesn't give the honest athletes a chance.

in his example though there is nothing dishonest about usig steroids as they arent against the rules

in a sport were they are against the rules of course its dishonest but no1 is arguing that people should cheat or at least i hope not

PeakOutput

nij wrote: »

I assume those are soccer-mom-on-treadmill gyms. I personally prefer gyms run by people who don't stick their noses into people's private lives. I mean, WTF harm are steroid users doing to your business? They come to lift weights. That is all.

ehhh come on dont be ridicolous he cant knowingly allow illegal activity take place on his premises and if he finds out and allows it to continue his tolerance will attract more users to the gym because they know he dosnt care and when eventually all this illegal activity is discovered by whoever it is cares about these things his business is ****ed

ilovelamp2000

nij wrote: »

I assume those are soccer-mom-on-treadmill gyms. I personally prefer gyms run by people who don't stick their noses into people's private lives. I mean, WTF harm are steroid users doing to your business? They come to lift weights. That is all.

Section 19 of the Misuse of Drugs Act:

19.—(1) A person who is the occupier or is in control or is concerned in the management of any land, vehicle or vessel and who knowingly permits or suffers any of the following to take place on the land, vehicle or vessel, namely—
[GA]

( a ) the cultivation contrary to section 17 of this Act of opium poppy or any plant of the genus Cannabis,
[GA]

( b ) the preparation of opium for smoking,
[GA]

( c ) the preparation of cannabis for smoking,
[GA]

( d ) the smoking of cannabis, cannabis resin or prepared opium,
[GA]

( e ) the manufacture, production or preparation of a controlled drug in contravention of regulations made under section 5 of this Act,
[GA]

( f ) the importation or exportation of a controlled drug in contravention of such regulations,
[GA]

( g ) the sale, supply or distribution of a controlled drug in contravention of such regulations,
[GA]

( h ) any attempt so to contravene such regulations, or
[GA]

( i ) the possession of a controlled drug in contravention of section 3 of this Act,

So he's saving himself from prosecution.

d'Oracle

PeakOutput wrote: »

ehhh come on dont be ridicolous he cant knowingly allow illegal activity take place on his premises and if he finds out and allows it to continue his tolerance will attract more users to the gym because they know he dosnt care and when eventually all this illegal activity is discovered by whoever it is cares about these things his business is ****ed

Using them is not illegal.

ilovelamp2000

d'Oracle wrote: »

Using them is not illegal.

If you've got a prescription.

d'Oracle

I don't think the Misuse of Drugs act comes in here.
I don't think Annabolic steroids are a "controlled drug" in the definintion set down in that act.

If someone knows a few names of them, maybe they might check them against this list:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1977/en/act/pub/0012/gen_1.html#gen_1

On further inspection, a couple of AAS which I picked up from an article both showed up on the list of "Medicinal products Subject to prescription control" S.I. No. 540/2003
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/si/0540.html

Proving that the Misuse of Drugs act is not in play here.

rubadub

Barry.Oglesby wrote: »

Codeine is one of the most addictive substances on earth but I don't see people posting about the evils of Solpadeine.

I have posted about solpadeine in other threads, many doctors are supposed to want it off the market. I have not seen the study/report but one poster in another thread said the codeine was at such low levels it offered negligible pain relief effect and that its main purpose was to cause addiction. There are many people horsing down solpadeine everyday with no idea it contains an addictive opiate.

davyjose wrote: »

But drugs such as codeine, which can be obtained over the counter, is used to treat many common illnesses. Steroids aren't.

I would say one of, if not the main use of solpadeine is to provide relief to the most widely abused recreational drug out there -alcohol. If a drug has a high potential for abuse e.g. it is non addictive, or has little comedown effect then it is likely to be banned. So the legal alternative to MDMA was BZP which had horrendous comedown effects, this was a self regulating sort of drug, users could not do it every night, it was still since banned. Solpadeine and similar pain killers aid easy alcohol abuse, at christmas you will notice an increase in ads for the likes of andrews antacid which are directly marketed at alcohol abusers (e.g. you see a lad waking up amongst messy pizza boxes with a wicked headache). Nobody bats an eyelid, hangovers & alcohol abuse are laughed off, headshops are vilified.

davyjose wrote: »

And because this abuse serves a purpose, i.e getting "big" or fitter, it's deemed acceptable by many, simply because it's not recreational abuse. It's still abuse, and more, in most cases, it's cheating.

So is your definition of abuse any use without a specific medical complaint to begin with? So if one glass of wine is medicinal, 2 glasses with dinner is abuse. It is "cheating" because it is banned, some might still not see it as abuse if they are not competing in sports, like they would not see creatine as abuse if it was banned in professional sports tomorrow. I remember one documentary asking if golfers like Tiger Woods should have been allowed to get laser eye surgery, as it could be argued as being cheating in the same way, or having an unfair unnatural advantage. No doubt top athletes can afford drugs that might not be banned yet, it is sort of similar to the headshops selling drugs which are so new they are not regulated, the athletes know its wrong, but legally it is OK.

Rosco1982 wrote: »

The Judge is under no obligation to consider the nature of steroids. All she needs to know is that it's a controlled substance, end of story.

Yes, and that it why it is a disgrace that she would make comment like

Judge Katherine Delahunt told Bernard Foy (38) and Anna Nawroka (27), who have a child together, that the court "takes a very serious view of devastating effects drugs can have on people"

I remember when the OJ Simpson trial happened they had to go to great lengths to find people without preconceived notions/bias. She seems to be brimming with them.

The detective explained that the IMB suspected these drugs, mainly anabolic steroids but also insulin and Viagra

Think of the horror inflicted on those devastated families, the big muskles, the rock hard horns....

arybvtcw0eolkf

d'Oracle wrote: »

BS.

What blanket statement did I make?
None.

My bad, you didn't make any blacket statements and I withdraw my remarks.

PeakOutput

d'Oracle wrote: »

Using them is not illegal.

were do you think people will buy and sell steroids? i would say they do it threw contacts made at, and sell them in, the gym

arybvtcw0eolkf

nij wrote: »

I assume those are soccer-mom-on-treadmill gyms. I personally prefer gyms run by people who don't stick their noses into people's private lives. I mean, WTF harm are steroid users doing to your business? They come to lift weights. That is all.

In fairness to the guy (and I'm playing devils advocate here) he might be running a boxing (for example) gym or other such place where anabolic steroid use by his members might bring the place into disrepute.

If I was running a gym/club where testing was compulsive I wouldn't want me member's juicing either.

If on the other hand I was running just a general fitness gym, well then whatever my members done outside of the premises wuold be absolutely none of my business.

Barry.Oglesby

PeakOutput wrote: »

were do you think people will buy and sell steroids? i would say they do it threw contacts made at, and sell them in, the gym

And then comes.......

ROID RAGE!

RUN FROM THE ROID RAGERS!

_JOE_

One point i would like to highlight from reading over this thread concerns the assumptions made about the experience of Judge Katherine Delahunt.

Unless there are legally trained professionals on this board who in their own experience can comment otherwise, i don't think it's fair to comment on her "experience" with such matters.

Judge Katherine Delahunt is a very experienced judge, and merely highlighting a one line quote from the Herald in my opinion does not give anyone a license to attack the credibility of a judge...

digme

WalterMitty wrote: »

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/exsoldier-jailed-over-8364144k-steroids-racket-2070836.html

Had to laugh at the judge in the above case. You'd think the guy was selling heroin to kids. Another example of ignorance of steroids, supplements etc.

Have to laugh at the above poster in this case.You'd think the guy was selling steroids to people. Another example of ignorance of law, statutes etc.

The woman's job is to uphold laws.The law states x tough ****.

You want her to feel
em·pa·thy
Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives. See Synonyms at pity.

blah blah blah,he's doing a course now your honour, please don't send him to prsion, all he did was drive over someone one while drunk,he's attending AA meetings and got a new job etc, oh, did i mention he has a daughter?
pure and utter tripe

d'Oracle

digme wrote: »

Have to laugh at the above poster in this case.You'd think the guy was selling steroids to people. Another example of ignorance of law, statutes etc.

The woman's job is to uphold laws.The law states x tough ****.

You want her to feel
em·pa·thy
Identification with and understanding of another's situation, feelings, and motives. See Synonyms at pity.

blah blah blah,he's doing a course now your honour, please don't send him to prsion, all he did was drive over someone one while drunk,he's attending AA meetings and got a new job etc, oh, did i mention he has a daughter?
pure and utter tripe

Eh?

--amadeus--

*sigh*

Well someone has to remind everyone about the basic facts...

This guy was caught after the Irish Medicines Board, whose role is to regulate medical products, investigated him and he was convicted of the sale and supply of various drugs, mainly steroids but also viagra and insulin.

All three are legislatively controlled products that have the potential to cause serious health issues if abused - in fact for a diabetic self medicating with counterfeit insulin could quite literally be lethal.

So dos anyone really think that a man with close on €200k of controlled substances which he admits to holding for sale or supply should have been released without a custodial sentence? And does anyone have a context for the "takes a very serious view of devastating effects drugs can have on people" quote? Or are steroids so safe that they could never have "devastating" effects?

Barry.Oglesby

Just FYI, I doubt the insulin was for the diabetic market.

There's a lot of horseyite on both sides of this argument. Some people seem to think that because steroids are relatively benign, that someone should be allowed to deal them willy nilly, and others seem to think that if they were legalised that we'd all be getting mugged by muscular men looking for a fix.

Only the facts remain; a man was caught in possession of a controlled substance in great store. He was quite leniantly punished (trading in medical goods without a license carries something like a maximum sentence of 40 years and €50k if I remember correctly). Steroids are not akin to dope but are illegal nonetheless.

arybvtcw0eolkf

--amadeus-- wrote: »

This guy was caught after the Irish Medicines Board, whose role is to regulate medical products, investigated him and he was convicted of the sale and supply of various drugs, mainly steroids but also viagra and insulin.

He's lucky he didn't get a stiffer sentence so!.

Barry.Oglesby

They had to deal with him firmly.

Barry.Oglesby

They come down hard on things like this.

Barry.Oglesby

Can't think of another dick joke.

stefoy

This Was My Da He Should Have Never Of Goten Two YEARS When He Was Caught In 2004 He Stoped Selling Them And The Only People He Was Selling To Was Bodybuilders Like Himself He Was Totally Harmless To The Public And Shouldent Be In Jail . The Judge Is A Fu**ing Sl*t !!!!!!