Waterford's Representatives in the Dáil - Present and Future

Deise Tom

AdMMM wrote: »

David Cullinane is pretty much a spent force.

I can see S.F. putting Brendan Mansfield on the ticket ahead of Cullinane in the next general election.

Deise Tom

jayboi wrote: »

I haven’t heard anything with regards Wilkinson does anyone know if has retired from politics?

Ran for the County Council in the Dungarvan area and was not returned. Might have been a major mistake on his and FF part as he is living and is well known in the Lismore electorate area.

Deise Tom

Trotter wrote: »

I'd love to see some new candidates. Maybe tried and tested business people or just proven to have the smarts to do a good job. Are there any possibilities? Keith Barry impressed me with his passion in the media during his family tragedy, but I don't think he'd want to go for it. Theres got to be others who would be a pleasant surprise to see on a ballot paper.

Keith Barry would be another George Lee.

nkay1985

I believe the multi-quote function was built for these times Deise Tom.

Agree with you on the talk is cheap comment. A year before the last GE it seeemed impossible that people would return another FF government but they did. I really don't think it can happen again; I think it's just gone too far at this stage. But I would not be surprised to see a much closer result than most people are predicting and current polls indicate.

Deise Tom

jayboi wrote: »

I .............have serious reservations about Halligan I just get this feeling when I read any article about him that he wants to go Robin Hood and take form the rich and give to the poor.

He comes across as that sort of person. He comes across to me anyway as a person who if he does not like what he is hearing he does not want to know. I dont know what he was on about on Deise Am in the last few days and when Billy McCarthy was trying to put something to him he gave the impression that he did not want to know what he was been asked. He also reminds me of others that jump ship for personal gain. Up to two years ago he did not want to know about pacts but what did he do after last years local elections.

Deise Tom

nkay1985 wrote: »

Agree with you on the talk is cheap comment. A year before the last GE it seeemed impossible that people would return another FF government but they did. I really don't think it can happen again; I think it's just gone too far at this stage. But I would not be surprised to see a much closer result than most people are predicting and current polls indicate.

I also believe that the Next election will be much closer than most people expect. Fine Gael are going to get in and probablly join up with Labour. But i have a feeling we are heading for a period like we had was in in 1982 when we had a number of general elections in a short space of time.

The country is in a terrible state and FG and Lab might think they can or will get it sorted in a short space of time but once they get in they will find otherwise. They will make all sorts of promises (as will all other parties that contest the election) and when they learn they cant deliever people will get fed up and start calling for an election again and again and again.

What we need is a bit of honesty. No empty promises just one promise should be made, to go in and try and sort things out even if this means some hard decissions having to be made.

jayboi

Deise Tom wrote: »

The country is in a terrible state and FG and Lab might think they can or will get it sorted in a short space of time but once they get in they will find otherwise. They will make all sorts of promises (as will all other parties that contest the election) and when they learn they cant deliver people will get fed up and start calling for an election again and again and again.

What we need is a bit of honesty. No empty promises just one promise should be made, to go in and try and sort things out even if this means some hard decisions having to be made.

That seems to be what generally happens in this country FF screw up someone else comes in normally FG and try and steady the ship, they in turn become disliked for their harsh(realistic policies) and in turn get booted out for FF.

If an election was called tomorrow Waterford would be anyones guess the only certainties would be that O'Shea if he ran the same for Deasy.
After that there are different factors at play like how many candidates would FG run altogether previously they ran 3 candidates which backfired somewhat but a lot has changed I could see FG defiantly running 3 again regardless.
I could see Deasy, Coffey(Boo) and either D'Arcy or Cummins.
I imagine FG are grooming Cummins as a long term candidate for Waterford city and may well run to get the experience as well as get his name out their although I don’t expect him to get in.

There are two seat their for FG if they do it right.

Just a few details for ye on the last general here in 2007
http://www.rte.ie/news/elections2007/Waterford.html
http://www.rte.ie/news/elections2007/results/constit-41.html

Cullen not running will have a tremendous impact on the how the election goes in Waterford.
FF had over 20,000 first preference votes over 3 candidates that’s with a minister, imagine they get half that next time(generous I know) that’s just 10,000 the quota for candidates was 10,000 FF may find themselves struggling with one candidate.

Interestingly enough we have and electorate of 105,000 people in Waterford

Deise Tom

jayboi wrote: »

we have and electorate of 105,000 people in Waterford

How many of that number will bother to go near a polling station.

jayboi

Deise Tom wrote: »

How many of that number will bother to go near a polling station.

Appologies i meant to say population. Well we had a electorate of 73,000 of those 68.7% turned out so thats about 50,000 so it means 1 in every 5 voters had Martin Cullen as first preference.

Deise Tom

jayboi wrote: »

Appologies i meant to say population. Well we had a electorate of 73,000 of those 68.7% turned out so thats about 50,000 so it means 1 in every 5 voters had Martin Cullen as first preference.

Even of the 73,000 how many will turn out to vote next time round.

wfman

if martin cullen doesnt run you could be looking at only 3 city based candidates.brendan kenneally,john halligan and john cummins/jim darcy.

Smiley Burnett

fg will field 2 candidates only!! deasy and coffey. cummins wont get a look in!

ff will stand kenneally and m.j. ryan from the nire valley as the county-based candidate. surprised ye havent mentioned him so far! ff will also try and convince tony browne to stand! GOD HELP US ALL!!!! (wilkinson is finished)

labour will stand oshea only. they would be mad to stand 2. left vote is badly split as it is!

doesnt matter who sinn fein stand. they are going nowhere fast!

halligan will not get elected as he is unknown outside the city and is still regarded as too left wing

dick roche will stand on a "people before profit" platform


deasy, coffey, kenneally and oshea to make it!

jmcc

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

fg will field 2 candidates only!! deasy and coffey. cummins wont get a look in!

What about D'Arcy?

labour will stand oshea only. they would be mad to stand 2. left vote is badly split as it is!

I thought he was meant to be retiring?

Regards...jmcc

jayboi

73,000 turned out in the good times you can be sure that if an election were held in the near future that this number would be higher because then we were in the good times and no one really cared now times are tough and a lot of people who might not of bothered to vote or had motivation to do so will come out to express their anger.

Of course you will get a considerable number of people will be disillusioned with the political process and won’t bother.

Personally i think Brendan Kenneally has some neck running again what has he some for the city of Waterford he has kept his head down and voted with the government on everything. he could have redeemed himself if had leveraged his vote to force the government to do some thing to help the city and to do something for the Waterford Crystal workers you were left with nothing, no pension, no redundancy and no prospect of future employment he’s no better than Bertie. He’s a ‘Yes Man’ simple as his loyalties are to:
Party
Personal Pension, then
People

Deise Tom

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

fg will field 2 candidates only!! deasy and coffey. cummins wont get a look in!

ff will stand kenneally and m.j. ryan from the nire valley as the county-based candidate. surprised ye havent mentioned him so far! ff will also try and convince tony browne to stand! GOD HELP US ALL!!!! (wilkinson is finished)

labour will stand oshea only. they would be mad to stand 2. left vote is badly split as it is!

doesnt matter who sinn fein stand. they are going nowhere fast!

halligan will not get elected as he is unknown outside the city and is still regarded as too left wing

dick roche will stand on a "people before profit" platform


deasy, coffey, kenneally and oshea to make it!

Have heard that Mickey Joe is been primed in the long term for as stint in Leinster House. Also heard that Pat Daly could well be on the ticket next time round.

hardybuck

Deise Tom wrote: »

Have heard that Mickey Joe is been primed in the long term for as stint in Leinster House. Also heard that Pat Daly could well be on the ticket next time round.

I presume this is a joke!?

Smiley Burnett

FIANNA FAIL and martin cullen in particular are currently chasing Dr Mark Rowe, with a view to him standing for FF in next election!!

what a cynical stunt this will be if Dr Rowe takes up the offer!!

nkay1985

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

FIANNA FAIL and martin cullen in particular are currently chasing Dr Mark Rowe, with a view to him standing for FF in next election!!

what a cynical stunt this will be if Dr Rowe takes up the offer!!

I'm not sure why you'd see it as a cynical stunt. Care to elaborate?

Smiley Burnett

if Dr Rowe stands for FF, it means that the govts biggest critic on the issue of university status for WIT, is actually a candidate for the party that has failed miserably to give us a university!!

FF would only be laughing at the electorate who would be expected to believe that Rowe could somehow deliver in oppposition where Cullen failed at cabinet level!!!!

people would hardly be that stupid to vote for Rowe as a FF candidate?????????
or would they????????

merlante

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

if Dr Rowe stands for FF, it means that the govts biggest critic on the issue of university status for WIT, is actually a candidate for the party that has failed miserably to give us a university!!

FF would only be laughing at the electorate who would be expected to believe that Rowe could somehow deliver in oppposition where Cullen failed at cabinet level!!!!

people would hardly be that stupid to vote for Rowe as a FF candidate?????????
or would they????????

The only thing Dr. Rowe is interested in is Dr. Rowe. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ran. Everything he does is aimed at raising his profile. The worst part is that he would not make a very strong TD.

Deise Tom

merlante wrote: »

The only thing Dr. Rowe is interested in is Dr. Rowe. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ran. Everything he does is aimed at raising his profile. The worst part is that he would not make a very strong TD.

Dont think anyone in the county knows anything about him apart from the fact he is involved with the County Senior Hurling team. Do we really want someone that we know nothing about. I doubt it.

hardybuck

The only way I'd vote Fianna Fail is if Dr. Rowe ran, but I'd be voting very much for him rather than the party. This is a really exceptional individual, and he is widely respected on a national level in both the medical and business fields.

Someone mentioned that all hes interested in is himself-well you may remember he wrote a book on Men's Health a couple of years ago which was a huge seller. He donated all the profits to charity. Very selfish indeed.

On a personal level he simply saved one of my family members lives. The person was told in blunt terms by a surgeon in Waterford that they had an inoperable and terminal tumour. We called Mark the same day who spent his weekend making sure that the person was immediately transferred to a specialist in Dublin. What was terminal in Waterford turned out to be a routine procedure in Dublin.

Few people would have had the clout to make something like this happen. He is definitely someone who gets things done, and would be a refreshing change from the old fashioned types that we've found ourselves stuck with.

Trotter

The sad thing about our party whip system is that as good as Mark Rowe might be, when it comes to votes in the Dáil, he'd have no choice but to vote for whats best for FF, not for us. If we have any sense, we'll return at least 1 independent.

merlante

hardybuck wrote: »

The only way I'd vote Fianna Fail is if Dr. Rowe ran, but I'd be voting very much for him rather than the party. This is a really exceptional individual, and he is widely respected on a national level in both the medical and business fields.

Someone mentioned that all hes interested in is himself-well you may remember he wrote a book on Men's Health a couple of years ago which was a huge seller. He donated all the profits to charity. Very selfish indeed.

On a personal level he simply saved one of my family members lives. The person was told in blunt terms by a surgeon in Waterford that they had an inoperable and terminal tumour. We called Mark the same day who spent his weekend making sure that the person was immediately transferred to a specialist in Dublin. What was terminal in Waterford turned out to be a routine procedure in Dublin.

Few people would have had the clout to make something like this happen. He is definitely someone who gets things done, and would be a refreshing change from the old fashioned types that we've found ourselves stuck with.

Well, I've had dealings with the guy, as have others I know, and he seems to be very much into raising his profile. I think the book is a typical example. The university campaign is another. I think he's a bit of spoofer and at the back of it, I'm not entirely convinced he's all that much of a zealot for men's health or a university in Waterford. I'm not saying there's no good in him, but my honest impression of him is a man who wants to be in the limelight. So I suppose politics is a likely place for him... I would have serious doubts about his ability to mix it on a national level, although he'd make a good councillor, or I suppose, a bog standard backbencher.

I appreciate that he helped out your family member, but I am also speaking from first hand experience.

hardybuck

Well, In the last year or so I've see him twice on television, heard him once on The Last Word with Matt Cooper, and another in an interview series carried out by a Dublin University Business School. Thats a pretty good national spread of good publicity-and he is quite articulate. These are areas which our current representatives fall down.

You don't become a doctor or a successful business person by spoofing. To question the motives of a man who campaigns for issues such as mens health and a local University is quite strange, and I wonder about your motives for this.

deisedol

merlante wrote: »

Well, I've had dealings with the guy, as have others I know, and he seems to be very much into raising his profile. I think the book is a typical example. The university campaign is another. I think he's a bit of spoofer and at the back of it, I'm not entirely convinced he's all that much of a zealot for men's health or a university in Waterford. I'm not saying there's no good in him, but my honest impression of him is a man who wants to be in the limelight. So I suppose politics is a likely place for him... I would have serious doubts about his ability to mix it on a national level, although he'd make a good councillor, or I suppose, a bog standard backbencher.

I appreciate that he helped out your family member, but I am also speaking from first hand experience.

This thread is disgusting.
Character assasination based on gossip- you are obviously jealous of rowes achievements. . I also have had dealings with him and i know for a fact he will never go in to politics. I would put money on it. He is highly intelligent, honest and honourable those traits have no place in irish politics. Rowe will never go in to politics-
This thread is not based on any fact just gossip. i think it is base to assasinate a character because of gossip. what next with this thread- pick another well known person .....will it be 'leech to replace cullen' ???

I dont know why anyone would go in to politics for Waterford when people like you are on line slandering whoever or whatever comes in to your heads!

merlante

deisedol wrote: »

This thread is disgusting.
Character assasination based on gossip- you are obviously jealous of rowes achievements. . I also have had dealings with him and i know for a fact he will never go in to politics. I would put money on it. He is highly intelligent, honest and honourable those traits have no place in irish politics. Rowe will never go in to politics-
This thread is not based on any fact just gossip. i think it is base to assasinate a character because of gossip. what next with this thread- pick another well known person .....will it be 'leech to replace cullen' ???

I dont know why anyone would go in to politics for Waterford when people like you are on line slandering whoever or whatever comes in to your heads!

To yourself and hardybuck. I know the man hasn't run for politics (yet) but he is something of a public figure, which is why I am passing comment. I was not the one who introduced him to this thread.

As someone who has campaigned for particular causes myself, you develop a keen eye for people who are hard workers, those who won't let you down rain, hail or shine, and those who are there primarily for the limelight. My impression is that he is involved with these things primarily for the limelight. That is my opinion based on first hand experience. Those people who have been reading my posts for the past 8 years on here and elsewhere will know what value to put on that opinion. I am not passing gossip, such as "I heard this from a man" or "a neighbour said that", I am speaking from first hand experience.

As for slander, last time I checked was legal in the EU to express opinions!

CHARTER OF FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS OF THE EUROPEAN UNION
Article 11
Freedom of expression and information
1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers.

Incidentally, you've given us a few opinions on the man yourself.

And to hardybuck, I have heard him on the radio many times, and I was not overly impressed with him as a media performer. I'd put him in the Brendan Kenneally category, except Brendan is so anonymous and quiet I can't remember the last time I heard him.

deisedol

mERLANTE- your comment 'I know the man hasn't run for politics (yet) but he is something of a public figure, which is why I am passing comment'

Exactly he is NOT a public figure so you have no right to pass comment. QED.

tHIS IS A CLASSIC CASE OF 'local LAD DONE WELL, lets pull him down'

Yossarian_Lives

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

FIANNA FAIL and martin cullen in particular are currently chasing Dr Mark Rowe, with a view to him standing for FF in next election!!

what a cynical stunt this will be if Dr Rowe takes up the offer!!

id say he makes too much money to become a politician also if they did land him in there he would have very little grass roots support as many local candidates found out when they were chosen before other seen as more deserving (nothing against any of the FF local City candidates i think they were some of the better ones out there and were just out at a bad time for thier party)

the results in my opinion will be 2FG 1FF and 1Lab, if the election is in 2 years it will be a tight race between Coffey and which ever 2nd place FF Candidate it is and 2nd place FG, most likly Coffey, who will get it in the end

Sully

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