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Zeitgeist Movie
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21-02-2010 8:53pm#1
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i thought that too. but ive seen other ones aswell where the guy that made the docs met a fella that has been tracking the bilderberg group for 15years and they go out and protest at the hotel where the worlds most powerful are meeting. i think there trying to make it known to the world so people will realise wot the bilderberg group are up to. Like they want to have one world bank and currency etc to control the worlds money and stuff like that! im a fan. but people are entitled to there own say so whatever ya reckon lemme know xoxo
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I've watched it. A mate is convinced its all true. In my humble its a crock. The religious first part is so full of holes it's future as a colander is assured.
"Wow maaaan, the son of god is like the sun of god". Yea ya moron, in english. pity it doesnt work in hebrew, aramaic, latin or greek. The stuff about Horus is completely wrong too. Jesus wasnt born on dec 25th that was a later tradition. None of the other gods was born of a virgin either. Bugger all connection with the Jesus myth/story. It was a fashionable connection in the 70's but completely debunked then. Only to be trotted out for the naive and illinformed of the next generation. When they have a fast scrolling list of jesus like gods, slow it down or stop it. Its worth the laugh
TBH having viewed it, I am firmly of the opinion its the work of a moron, or the work of someone extracting the urine out of the uneducated and gullible. I strongly suspect the latter.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Nice find. Unfortunately I don't think many people will read this as it actually involves reading rather than watching the youtube project of someone who just discovered video editing.
The is a good site. The Guy who writes it doesn't just disregard an entire movie if it has a lot of errors, as some skeptics do, but looks at each claim individually and is very thorough.
Zietgiest was one of the first CT videos that got me into the whole CT malarkey a couple of years ago. It's thanks to sites such as conspiracyscience.com that I have a much more balanced view of the world today.
Galway Girl, don't get too hung up on videos like zeitgeist. It's very easy and very exciting to believe that a couple of hundred people control the entire planet (think about that) but, unfortunately, the fact is, that life is a lot more boring, subtle and complex than videos like zeitgeist would have you believe.
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You appear to be taking the opinion of conspiracyscience.com as the last word on these subjects.
Yeah, CTist are fond of things that appear to be happening.Perhaps the world is a far more dull and mundane place than popular conspiracies suggest, perhaps it's even more weird and wonderful than anyone is capable of imagining right now.
Yeah, I admit boring was the wrong word to use there. I suppose meant it in the way that someone who likes Rambo might find, There Will Be Blood, boring.I understand that people want to disect CT's using accepted logic and doing so usually results in the same old "it's not even remotely possible" conclusion.
Lol, yeah that can happen when you apply good ol' logic.If you want to subscribe to that then thats your business. I think that if you're taking either side literally and entrenching yourself along with a particular viewpoint your only serving to restrict what your mind is/will be open to.
You're right, if I like debunking myths then that is my business. And if people want to ignore simple facts that's their business.Without definitive answers your left with opinions, its really up to each person what their opinions on these subjects should be. In short, there's not really any right or wrong in conspiracy research, insamuch as opinion is the main catalyst behind the formation of idioms within this sphere of research.
No, just no, if you want to ignore definitive answers you're left with your opinions. There are plenty of definitive answers out there. Stop looking for the ones you want to find.
Why does conspiracy ''research'' fall beyond the boundaries of other forms of research? In all other forms of research things are either right or wrong. A fact is a fact, not an opinion. Research and opinion are two entirely different things! If you replaced the word ''research'' with the word discussion I would agree with you. And just because you talk in a scientific manner doesn't mean you're being scientific.
The result can be seen in the amount of people with conspiracy research who constantly argue over the petty details of each others theories and end up throwing insults at each other, they can put you in mind of the People's front of Judea and the Judean peoples front, "Splitters".
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Yeah, CTist are fond of things that appear to be happening.
You need to cool off a bit.
Yeah, I admit boring was the wrong word to use there. I suppose meant it in the way that someone who likes Rambo might find, There Will Be Blood, boring.
Lol, yeah that can happen when you apply good ol' logic.
You're right, if I like debunking myths then that is my business. And if people want to ignore simple facts that's their business.
No, just no, if you want to ignore definitive answers you're left with your opinions. There are plenty of definitive answers out there. Stop looking for the ones you want to find.
Why does conspiracy ''research'' fall beyond the boundaries of other forms of research? In all other forms of research things are either right or wrong. A fact is a fact, not an opinion. Research and opinion are two entirely different things! If you replaced the word ''research'' with the word discussion I would agree with you. And just because you talk in a scientific manner doesn't mean you're being scientific.
''I'm a very naughty boy!''
The point I was making is that with or without factual evidence conspiracy theories remain as do those who believe them. So you just have to accept that we live in a world where these things exist, regardless of lack of "good ol logic" being applied to them. The opinions of each individual tend to define their own reality, even if that doesn't reflect the consensus that most people are happy with for whatever reason. I can see exactly what you're saying, I'm not some head in the sand "CTer" as you'd put it, you dont know the first thing about me. You took what you wanted from my previous post and saw it a justification for a smarmy reply filled with thinly veiled insults and pointless attacks on me and the beliefs you think I have.
As for you're other comments about labelling me as a "CTer" and "someone who likes Rambo"(It's a new one I must admit). I'm a bit confused as to how you can make such assumptions about me when all you know about me is based on a few comments I've made on an internet forum. Surely logic would suggest to you that saying such things is grossly ignorant and insulting and only serves to paint you in a bad light. Just because I talk in a scientific manner doesn't mean I'm being scientific? What the hell does that mean? I dont recall claiming to talk in any manner scientific or otherwise.
Just because you talk to people in the manner of a person who has a superiority complex doesn't mean you have one, although all the evidence points towards it.
I'm reading over you post again now and I have to say there are many things I'd dearly love to say in response to your unprovoked little petty minded vitriolic rant against me, but you're not worth the infraction/ban I might recieve for doing so. Do you think it's acceptable to speak to people in such a manner simply because their opinions differ to yours?
If you've got a problem with people discussing conspiracies as oppossed to proving and disproving them I would suggest you should head over to the Skeptics forum, here's the link http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?forumid=422
I'm all for open and frank discussion, but I don't see why I should have to put up with being treated like some sort of idiot by you or anybody else.
If you're not going to give me any basic respect I'm not going to give it to you.Glazers Out!
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I'd just like to say, I got the Rambo reference
and yeah this is about Zeitgeist, I think it was a docco that was aimed at mass media penetration from the offset, it made people stop and think and question things, lke loose change or a lot of the other ones, and then ya see some like the ascent of money or Aaron Russo's filum and it makes people want to know more, even teh 'Moon Hoax' ones have made me think twice about the whole thing, and there are some interestin points raised by these movies, if what the Skeptics say is true and it was all a ploy ala [insert appropriate media hoax* and a big 4chan lulzfest, then it had IMO the unintended result of affecting a lot of people to question the world they take for granted.0 -
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Yeah, CTist are fond of things that appear to be happening.
In case you don't know the world you see in front of you , doesn't exist outside the frequency spectrum.
Maybe youre boring ,the world however isn't.Yeah, I admit boring was the wrong word to use there. I suppose meant it in the way that someone who likes Rambo might find, There Will Be Blood, boring.Lol, yeah that can happen when you apply good ol' logic.
Logic is just a device to keep people from thinking outside the box.Which is dangerous for the powers.
Logic devices in electronics are devices that just posses 2 states ,on or off.They are simple and easy to programme.
How exactly are you debunking myths? unless you aren't a scientist,politician, physicist ,You're right, if I like debunking myths then that is my business. And if people want to ignore simple facts that's their business.
Thats a double edged sword.No, just no, if you want to ignore definitive answers you're left with your opinions. There are plenty of definitive answers out there. Stop looking for the ones you want to find.
Why does conspiracy ''research'' fall beyond the boundaries of other forms of research? In all other forms of research things are either right or wrong. A fact is a fact, not an opinion. Research and opinion are two entirely different things! If you replaced the word ''research'' with the word discussion I would agree with you. And just because you talk in a scientific manner doesn't mean you're being scientific.
More like arrogant. Its a nice trait to be able to look at someone else's point of view without being critical.''I'm a very naughty boy!''0 -
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Spose I was kinda smarmy there. I tend to let this forum bring out the worst in me. Apologies if I offended anyone. The Rambo comment wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. In my defense though, it was hardly ''unprovoked'' plus, I thought the last comment would let people know I wasn't really taking myself seriously. :pac:
However, I think it was my rudeness and smarmyness that was tackled rather than the main point I was making.
There is far too much merit given to peoples opinions. If I thought the world was flat I would be wrong. Just because it's my opinion doesn't mean it should be respected automatically. It doesn't matter if that's ''nice'' or not. Being of the opinion that something happened doesn't make it so.
For example; Mustard tastes good, that's my opinion. I like mustard, that's a fact. Can you see the difference?
Again, why does conspiracy ''research'' fall beyond the boundaries of other forms of research? Of course conspiracies happen and the rich and powerful will always try, by nefarious means, to stay rich and powerful. This is the way it is and all ways will be. But to abandon logic and reason in the fight against this is to seriously handicap yourself. They are powerful tools, which is why ''they'' use them.
Zeitgeist was considered by many (myself included) to be a documentary when it was nothing of the kind. Nothing was referenced properly and many statements hailed as ''facts'' where merely opinions or just plain lies. If people are making claims like those in Zeitgeist it is all the more important to rigorously apply logic and accountability for such controversial claims. All too often the boundaries between fact and opinion are blurred, to the point where the two are reversed. EDIT: (imo )
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Spose I was kinda smarmy there. I tend to let this forum bring out the worst in me. Apologies if I offended anyone. The Rambo comment wasn't aimed at anyone in particular. In my defense though, it was hardly ''unprovoked'' plus, I thought the last comment would let people know I wasn't really taking myself seriously. :pac:
However, I think it was my rudeness and smarmyness that was tackled rather than the main point I was making.
There is far too much merit given to peoples opinions. If I thought the world was flat I would be wrong. Just because it's my opinion doesn't mean it should be respected automatically. It doesn't matter if that's ''nice'' or not. Being of the opinion that something happened doesn't make it so.
For example; Mustard tastes good, that's my opinion. I like mustard, that's a fact. Can you see the difference?
Again, why does conspiracy ''research'' fall beyond the boundaries of other forms of research? Of course conspiracies happen and the rich and powerful will always try, by nefarious means, to stay rich and powerful. This is the way it is and all ways will be. But to abandon logic and reason in the fight against this is to seriously handicap yourself. They are powerful tools, which is why ''they'' use them.
Zeitgeist was considered by many (myself included) to be a documentary when it was nothing of the kind. Nothing was referenced properly and many statements hailed as ''facts'' where merely opinions or just plain lies. If people are making claims like those in Zeitgeist it is all the more important to rigorously apply logic and accountability for such controversial claims. All too often the boundaries between fact and opinion are blurred, to the point where the two are reversed. EDIT: (imo )
Why is conspiracy research and theory exempt from the rules of other forms research and theory?
Again you're excelling in missing the point.
Opinions are the be all and end all in CT research because so much of the topics are improbable or improvable.
You cant prove that reptilians run the earth, you also cant disprove it conclusively.
Your rudeness and smarmyness was unwarranted, you didnt even consider what I had said, you saw red and went mad. I tackled that issue because i felt you were out of line, I also tackled the topic, something you have obviously failed to realise.
If you want to be "right" about everything thats your problem. Even if a CT can be disproved certain people will hang onto it. Look at religion, no evidence to support those fairy stories in yet they're woven into humanity's psyche tighter than anything. To understand the irrantional belief in CT's you have to understand the irrational nature of the human being. In essensce we each live in our own reality. I'm not interested in discussing debunking CT's, it's a dead topic, go to the skeptic's forum for that. CT's are like anything, belief is paramount, opinion however irrational is the driving force even if it makes the believer "wrong". You should be trying to understand why people believe these things, you can point out the innacuracies and perhaps you might enlighten some people, but you have no right to insist upon others falling in line with your beliefs. If that brings out the worst in you then you need to learn to respect others and empathise with them and their values. You cant shove your beliefs down peoples necks even if those people are wrong in their beliefs.
I'm not taking a side, be it CTer or skeptic, it is possible to be neutral, so please do hesitate to abuse me next time you take offence to something completely inoffensive.Glazers Out!
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Again you're excelling in missing the point.
Opinions are the be all and end all in CT research because so much of the topics are improbable or improvable.
You cant prove that reptilians run the earth, you also cant disprove it conclusively.
Yeah, but why does CT ''research'' fall beyond the boundaries if other forms of research? Scientists make outrageous claims all the time but they still have to show the links between their opinion and the facts. We're not talking about the existence of god here, we're talking about whether an event occurred or not. It's not philosophy. It's basic detective work. And also it's been proven that lizards don't rule the world. Statements like that make me sad, not to mention smarmy and rude.
Seriously though, why does CT research fall beyond the boundaries of other forms of research? Zeitgeist is the perfect example, it doesn't deserve to be called research.
May be this should get it's own thread. I would put it up but I can see myself becoming smarmy and rude again.0 -
Yeah, but why does CT ''research'' fall beyond the boundaries if other forms of research? Scientists make outrageous claims all the time but they still have to show the links between their opinion and the facts. We're not talking about the existence of god here, we're talking about whether an event occurred or not. It's not philosophy. It's basic detective work. And also it's been proven that lizards don't rule the world. Statements like that make me sad, not to mention smarmy and rude.
Seriously though, why does CT research fall beyond the boundaries of other forms of research? Zeitgeist is the perfect example, it doesn't deserve to be called research.
May be this should get it's own thread. I would put it up but I can see myself becoming smarmy and rude again.
Take the New World Order as an example if you will. Supposedly a small group of people run the wrold in every concievable way and have it in for the rest of us.
A small number of people do run the world, they're called rich people. Do they want to devastate the world population? Certain individuals say they do and have evidence to prove it. Popular opinion says that it isn't possible. Neither side is conclusive. On one side you have popular opinion saying one thing, on the other you have alternative opinion saying that popular opinion is wrong. Not all CT's are about events, by which I assume you mean the likes of 9-11 etc...
As for the lizard people, there's about as much proof to suggest they don't exist as their is to say they do; sweet FA. If that's conclusive and scientific I must have missed something. I think what you mean to say is that popular opinion says that reptilians don't exist.
I'm not hung up on the reptilian debate, I'm just using it as an example, although it is a fascinating subject in itself when you actually look at the historical context as oppossed to simply making a rushed judegment based on what is considered normal.
What I would suggest you should do is stop caring what people think about far out wacky conspiracy theories if it really bothers you that much.
I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can believe in any religious dogma but it's something I just have to accept. I cant bully my friends into agreeing with me just because their religious beliefs defy all logical reasoning. I just accept people for what they are. You can suggest to people that they change their beliefs to a more enlightened set of beliefs but if they don't want to it's not something you can force. You have to respect other peoples right to free will and therefore their right to have strange opinions. It would be a very dull and boring world if we all agreed with each other, it's also true that the world isn't improved any great deal by people forcing each other to share beliefs.Glazers Out!
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