dog wardens rights in Ireland

ojgetsoff

Yes i would only go public if God forbid I didnt get Jill back and I was running out of time to save her. Il be banging down my solicitors door Monday morning, Ive been trying to get zabaka back to himself since I got him back, one way or another the council are getting served by Tuesday. this forum really has restored my faith and hopefully justice will be done

CreedonsDogDayc

OP Dog Training Ireland just posted the link to this solicitor firm and said that they are very good for dog related cases, http://www.mcgarrsolicitors.ie/.

Perhaps a phone call to them for their advice might help.

Discodog

I have already PM'd that to the OP.

Magenta

It's things like this that put me off getting a GSD. If the OP's dog was a fluffly little Pomeranian he probably wouldn't have half of this trouble.

ojgetsoff

Solicitor is contacting council now for immediate release of Jill for assessment and regarding the fact the poor condition zabaka was returned to me in especially as he shouldnt have been removed at all. saying prayers now but knowing the council it would be a start if they were even in.

Allgäuerin

Any news? All fingers & paws crossed for u & your GSD!!!!!!!

ojgetsoff

still nothing from council, bringing zabaka back to vet now so it will be morning when I have any news as council not taking my calls or the head is unavailable, usual bloody story

Discodog

The Council would hopefully ignore an application for an injunction & then you would be granted it by default. I would also push for your vet to be allowed to examine the dog, in the Pound, as you will be suing them for vet bills.

The Council may well delay as they might be unsure of how to handle this. You should hand deliver ( & get proof of receipt) a formal demand for the immediate release of the dog written by your solicitor. Make it clear that you reserve the right to take legal action within 24 hours if they do not release the dog. Then go straight to the Court & apply for an urgent injunction.

Magenta: Rather than being put off we should all make a concerted effort to get this ridiculous breed restriction lifted. No informed person could ever dictate that any breed is more dangerous that any other especially GDS's. Someone should legally challenge the Act & demand evidence as why certain breeds are considered dangerous.

ojgetsoff

Ive just got the council to agree to let a vet examine Jill as zabaka is now on antibiotics for next 5 days to try and improve his condition as it hasnt improved following another visit to the vet.
They are stating they still havent recieved my letter from my solicitor so im going to pick up a second copy and deliver it myself.absolute nightmare!! just when you think it cant be any worse it gets worse, if anything happens to Jill sueing will be the least of their worries

andreac

You should make sure everything that is posted to them is registered post so you have proof that it was signed for.

If you hand it in yourself you will need to get written proof or receipt that they received the letter.

Discodog

All correspondence must be addressed to someone senior in the council, delivered by hand & receipted.

Get your Vet to do a report not just on the condition of the dog but also on the conditions that the dog is being kept in. You should already be pursuing the Council for Vet fees & your costs regarding the first dog as it will make then realise that you really mean business.

YOURFACE!

ojgetsoff, I'm so upset reading this thread. I cannot offer any other advice but I would like to let you know that you and Jill are in my thoughts and I really really hope that everything works out and Jill will be home safe and sound. She really is a beautiful girl.

John_Rambo

Terrible story, OP, I don't have any advice except to ignore the "Devil's advocate Do gooders" in the thread. Anyone that knows what's what would realise the dog does not deserve to be destroyed. I hope this works out for you.

Magenta

John_Rambo wrote: »

Terrible story, OP, I don't have any advice except to ignore the "Devil's advocate Do gooders" in the thread. Anyone that knows what's what would realise the dog does not deserve to be destroyed. I hope this works out for you.

We are all entitled to our opinions. I doubt that one person here wants anything bad to happen to the dog.

Graces7

Words fail. Petty Hitler is the phrase comes to mind.

The first dog warden I met in Ireland was also the local refuse collector.

Prayers here and sympathy all the way.

Blogger50

Any news OP?

andreac

John_Rambo wrote: »

Terrible story, OP, I don't have any advice except to ignore the "Devil's advocate Do gooders" in the thread. Anyone that knows what's what would realise the dog does not deserve to be destroyed. I hope this works out for you.

I didnt see anyone doing this in the thread? anyone that posted gave advice on how to get the dog back and all supporting the OP and wishing them well and hoping the dog gets returned to them.

Bearpup

Hi OP,

So upset to read your post. I really hope everything works out ok.

I have a 2 yr old german shepard also, Bonnie. She is such a pet and a total baby. We had the guards down to our house a couple of weeks ago as there had been a complaint from a neighbour who walks by our gate everyday. Bonnie hears someone walking by and runs to the gate and barks, She never gets out (cant get out), literally sits at the gate and has a bit of a bark. Apparently the neighbour complained to the guards about this. It really annoyed me as Bonnie is sitting in our garden.... is there a law about a dog barking (literally once or twice) in their own garden in the middle of the day? anyways.. sorry for the rant... It just annoys me that GShepards are sometimes "generalised" in such a bad way.

I really hope everything goes ok for you and you get your doggie back

CreedonsDogDayc

Carlylong, isn't it so annoying that uneducated people are so judgemental of dogs temperament based on their appearance!!!

I have two tips for you though to avoid any trouble in the future.

One... call to the neighbour and say you didnt realise she was nervous of dogs, would she like to meet your dog, that your dog is very friendly. If she is willing then introduce them on neutral ground (on the footpath 20seconds from your house) and have your neighbour give her treats, then give her a couple of treats and have her call your dog as she approaches, and throw / hand the treat in.

Explain to her that you want the dog to protect your house, thats why she barks, but she cant get out, and if she did she wouldnt bite.


Also, with relation to the guards, Id suggest you set up a camera upstairs and record your dogs reaction to passers by. As you said, she just gives warning barks, so a couple of videos of this stored on your computer will be good evidence incase the worst happens and someone takes your dog.

Morganna

Any news im so sad reading this i really feel for you and hope you get Jill back please let us know

Bearpup

Hey,

Thanks CreedonsDogDayc for the Tips...
It really does annoy because if Bonnie did get out she would literally lick your one to death - how is the neighbour supposed to know that though I suppose. It annoyed me even more because bonnie is in OUR OWN garden...

I got such a shock when the gaurds called down though... makes me very nervous to think that she could be taken away etc for just being a dog -

Exactly what happened to the OP I suppose... I cant understand how they could have taken Jill her dog when the dog DIDN'T ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY HURT OR TOUCH ANYBODY!!!!!!

MAKES ME MAD

GinaH

No update from OP since tuesday ? Is this bad news ??

ppink

carlylong wrote: »

Hey,


I got such a shock when the gaurds called down though... makes me very nervous to think that she could be taken away etc for just being a dog -

Exactly what happened to the OP I suppose...

Did the guards actually say they could take your dog away from barking inside its own garden??

Hardly the same situation as the OP's dog who got out on the road and scared the life out of someone.

CreedonsDogDayc wrote: »

Carlylong, isn't it so annoying that uneducated people are so judgemental of dogs temperament based on their appearance!!!

I have two tips for you though to avoid any trouble in the future.

One... call to the neighbour and say you didnt realise she was nervous of dogs, would she like to meet your dog, that your dog is very friendly. If she is willing then introduce them on neutral ground (on the footpath 20seconds from your house) and have your neighbour give her treats, then give her a couple of treats and have her call your dog as she approaches, and throw / hand the treat in.

Explain to her that you want the dog to protect your house, thats why she barks, but she cant get out, and if she did she wouldnt bite.


Also, with relation to the guards, Id suggest you set up a camera upstairs and record your dogs reaction to passers by. As you said, she just gives warning barks, so a couple of videos of this stored on your computer will be good evidence incase the worst happens and someone takes your dog.

Who are the uneducated people here??
If people are not into dogs that does not mean they are uneducated!

I also think it is not a good idea to "introduce" a person who obviously has a fear of dogs to your GSD in such a manner. WIll this mean tha tthe neighbour has an expectation that the dog will then rememeber her and not bark as she passes?? Our GSD's bark at everyone until they come into the property...........including family members.

How can someone seize a dog if it has not done anything..........is that legal???

Discodog

PAWS animal Res wrote: »

No update from OP since tuesday ? Is this bad news ??

This is a public forum & open to all including dog wardens & Councils. Maybe the OP has decided to keep his plans to himself.

CreedonsDogDayc

ppink wrote: »

Who are the uneducated people here??
If people are not into dogs that does not mean they are uneducated!

The 'uneducated' term was in response to carlys comment "It just annoys me that GShepards are sometimes "generalised" in such a bad way."
What I mean by it is I hate when people who are not educated in canine behaviour judge a dog by how they look. I have friends and family who are (in my opinion) uneducated in relation to dogs, and prejudge dogs by their appearance, and working full time with dogs myself, i wish people would invest some time in studying dogs before they decide "oh, that dogs dangerous, i'm going to cross the road etc.", or at least concede that they aren't experts and approach all breeds with an open mind.

ppink wrote: »

I also think it is not a good idea to "introduce" a person who obviously has a fear of dogs to your GSD in such a manner. WIll this mean tha tthe neighbour has an expectation that the dog will then rememeber her and not bark as she passes??

I think my suggestion was valid and may be beneficial to carlylong. I didnt say that the dog would no longer bark, but by introducing her dog to the neighbour on neutral territory the neighbour will get to meet the dog when it is not protecting its home. chances are the dog will be friendly and will hopefully reassure the neighbour that the dog is not a threat, and just backs to defend its home.

I said in my post to explain to the neighbour that carlylong wants her dog to bark at passers by as its the dogs job. I didnt suggest that the dog would no longer bark at the neighbour, but I merely suggested an exercise that could perhaps reassure the neighbour, and educate the neighbour in why the dog barks.

ppink

CreedonsDogDayc wrote: »

The 'uneducated' term was in response to carlys comment "It just annoys me that GShepards are sometimes "generalised" in such a bad way."
What I mean by it is I hate when people who are not educated in canine behaviour judge a dog by how they look. I have friends and family who are (in my opinion) uneducated in relation to dogs, and prejudge dogs by their appearance, and working full time with dogs myself, i wish people would invest some time in studying dogs before they decide "oh, that dogs dangerous, i'm going to cross the road etc.", or at least concede that they aren't experts and approach all breeds with an open mind.

Ah I see, I read it completely different. I suppose the way I look on it is everybody has different interests.........stamp collecting, rally driving, dogs etc and therefore they are "educated" in different things. I have several family members who think my GSD's are dangerous dogs and the way I look on it is they are just not interested......same way i am not interested in their stamps and think it is a boring hobby. Human nature I think.
Of course then dogs like GSD's are dangerous in the wrong hands.




I think my suggestion was valid and may be beneficial to carlylong. I didnt say that the dog would no longer bark, but by introducing her dog to the neighbour on neutral territory the neighbour will get to meet the dog when it is not protecting its home. chances are the dog will be friendly and will hopefully reassure the neighbour that the dog is not a threat, and just backs to defend its home.

I said in my post to explain to the neighbour that carlylong wants her dog to bark at passers by as its the dogs job. I didnt suggest that the dog would no longer bark at the neighbour, but I merely suggested an exercise that could perhaps reassure the neighbour, and educate the neighbour in why the dog barks.

We have family members who are terrified of dogs. Despite me saying do not scream etc etc it did not work. The fear took over, they screamed, the dog ran to see what was going on with them, they screamed more...................
I think people who have a genuine fear of dogs need specialist help and trying to deal with them yourself could backfire as quick as work. It is not a simple as an explanation. Depends on the level of fear I suppose but I certainly would not be trying this approach with any of my neighbours or scared family members either.

Discodog

Any dog can be dangerous. I remember reading somewhere that UK postmen were more scared of little dogs.

People being scared of dogs is a potentially difficult issue because many dogs will sense the person's fear. It is amazing that so much is taught in school yet children are not shown how to interact with dogs even though they will be doing so for most of their lives.

rockonollie

a letter from a solicitor simply outlining your intent to challenge the ruling should leave them obliged to at least postpone putting the dog to sleep until you and your solicitor have the chance to gather information and take the case to court.

December

Any update OP?