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Would I be wrong in saying this is the only place the show is being advertised, too? So the only place this is being advertised is being wound up by the promoter?
It looks that way doesnt it?.. I dunno im very confused by Alan tbh he wants a to be a sucessful promoter but wont accept cash payments and abuses anyone who speaks even slightly negatively about his show.0 -
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Hmm, disappointed here. Was excited when I started reading the topic from page one, but grew worried as the topic continued....
Maybe it's because I'm spoiled a little. I mean, the AWR shows were 40 ish quid and I got to meat Bret Hart (!) for that, even if it was an extra fiver for the picture. I was really tempted to go to this; I go to college just down the road from it so getting there would be no hassle. BUt everyone I've talked to about it today said I'd be mad to just fork out that much money so far in advance for something like this. There's a few things worry me, mostly the dodging of the reason you can't take money on the door. I fully accept your decision to do so, but the fact you're dodging the reasons why you've chosen, other than some vague comments about personal choice, limited entry and "tax", makes me feel like this is an episode of Joe Duffy waiting to happen.
Even as a hardcore fan, as the presumably target market member (older guys who'd have watched some of these people; I can't imagine any kids are going to be begging their parents to go at the moment), I simply can't justify that much money for something which I have no reason to trust.
I know some people are giving out about "moaners" and "skeptics". But for that much money, you've got to be skeptical
I'd say I'd go along on the day and pay at the door once I've got confirmation people are inside and everything is ok, but then you're saying we can't even do that.....0 -
if i can put your mind at ease i know alan very well he's a good friend of mine i can assure you deposits have been paid everything is booked and alan will see this through even if it cost's him thousands at the end of it he's very acomplished at what he does with sport promotions he's a very trustworthy chap and a genuine wrestling fan who'll be as excited about this as any fan which i'm sure if you spoke to him on the phone you'd be satisfied with his commitment to this event, wayneTeamshadowclan wrote: »Hmm, disappointed here. Was excited when I started reading the topic from page one, but grew worried as the topic continued....
Maybe it's because I'm spoiled a little. I mean, the AWR shows were 40 ish quid and I got to meat Bret Hart (!) for that, even if it was an extra fiver for the picture. I was really tempted to go to this; I go to college just down the road from it so getting there would be no hassle. BUt everyone I've talked to about it today said I'd be mad to just fork out that much money so far in advance for something like this. There's a few things worry me, mostly the dodging of the reason you can't take money on the door. I fully accept your decision to do so, but the fact you're dodging the reasons why you've chosen, other than some vague comments about personal choice, limited entry and "tax", makes me feel like this is an episode of Joe Duffy waiting to happen.
Even as a hardcore fan, as the presumably target market member (older guys who'd have watched some of these people; I can't imagine any kids are going to be begging their parents to go at the moment), I simply can't justify that much money for something which I have no reason to trust.
I know some people are giving out about "moaners" and "skeptics". But for that much money, you've got to be skeptical
I'd say I'd go along on the day and pay at the door once I've got confirmation people are inside and everything is ok, but then you're saying we can't even do that.....0 -
Teamshadowclan wrote: »Hmm, disappointed here. Was excited when I started reading the topic from page one, but grew worried as the topic continued....
Maybe it's because I'm spoiled a little. I mean, the AWR shows were 40 ish quid and I got to meat Bret Hart (!) for that, even if it was an extra fiver for the picture. I was really tempted to go to this; I go to college just down the road from it so getting there would be no hassle. BUt everyone I've talked to about it today said I'd be mad to just fork out that much money so far in advance for something like this. There's a few things worry me, mostly the dodging of the reason you can't take money on the door. I fully accept your decision to do so, but the fact you're dodging the reasons why you've chosen, other than some vague comments about personal choice, limited entry and "tax", makes me feel like this is an episode of Joe Duffy waiting to happen.
Even as a hardcore fan, as the presumably target market member (older guys who'd have watched some of these people; I can't imagine any kids are going to be begging their parents to go at the moment), I simply can't justify that much money for something which I have no reason to trust.
I know some people are giving out about "moaners" and "skeptics". But for that much money, you've got to be skeptical
I'd say I'd go along on the day and pay at the door once I've got confirmation people are inside and everything is ok, but then you're saying we can't even do that.....
If you think someone is going to do a runner with your cash, something such as the DiBiasi video should put your mind at ease.0 -
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Would love to meet Foley and Dibiase but the price is way too steep for my wallet.
Hope those who go get their moneys worth
Maybe Alan can give a few tickets free to the wrestling forum here, then have some kind of competition to let us recession hit fans enjoy the nostalgia too
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I ended up thinking about this topic a lot last night in bed after I had posted my last comment (Yeah, I’m like that <_<). One thing I hope is that people realise that I’m not trying to be negative on purpose. I actually would love to see this do really well, cause I believe that the wrestling market is one which is untapped in Ireland; one which holds huge potential and one I’d love to see developed. My negativity does not come from wanting to see this project fail. Rather, it comes from the fact I want to protect myself from disappointment. Maybe if I outline my thoughts, Alan can answer them and ease my fears.
For one, I worry about Alan himself. No offence intended but the fact you are posting on this board so much shows that it is far more than the 1% of your market that you imply. I would imagine that you wouldn’t pump this much time and effort into answering questions unless you felt it was a very important market. I don’t think you’d give out a number for us to call you unless you wanted us to go desperately. I don’t think you’d (presumably) ask a friend to come here and sing your praises as a person and as a promoter unless you REALLY wanted the people here to not only like you but like your product. If there was bigger markets, I’d imagine you’d be focusing on them rather than us.
Besides, I can only presume we are the target market, and by we, I mean older guys. Kids are going to have no interest in this. Maybe to see Foley, but they aren’t going to be begging parents that much. Family tickets might work if they were cheaper, and if some father wanted to give his kid a chance to meet some of the father’s heroes... but realistically, the only people going to want to meet Dibiase, Virgil and HTM are older guys, who would be the main users of this board. Or have you got a target audience in mind that’s different?
Furthermore, this thing of “I’ll take everyone’s calls” worries me as well. I highly doubt most promoters would take calls personally for ticket bookings and anyone who wanted to discuss the show. It shows that this is, at the moment, a one man operation; one guy organising a few wrestlers to come to Ireland and talk to people. That does worry me. I doubt if I rang up most people promoting events charging this much in other instances that I’d get straight on to them. I doubt most promoters would be giving out their phone numbers online, especially to people who have been so critical of his venture. And my problem then is that as a one man operation, I have little reason to trust him with my money.
Then there are some of the comments he’s made....
• Talking about how Foley will be there since he’s now contracted to appear – I am sure that AWR and others had more than a verbal agreement with Foley when they started splashing his face all over advertisements and websites. I am sure that others were 100% confident he would honour his agreements before he balked at them. Until he is in the hotel though, or at least the country, there is no such thing as a 100% guarantee that he will be here. Obviously, if you and him have a deal, then push that and advertise that. But realise people have concerns there that are justified. I say this as someone who paid money to see him in AWR and then had him cancel (luckily we got Bret Hart instead which was even better....)
• You implied that this event should do well since 500 people went to a similar one in Manchester. As someone pointed out, Ireland’s population is only a fraction of it, so you’ve got to presume only a fraction will attend this one. Which leads to the question; you’ve talked about limited numbers, and obviously you have come to some estimation of how many people will attend when working out your price. How many people are you expecting? How many people are we talking about when you say “limited numbers”? Presumably if it’s limited, you know that limit. Mind sharing it? (If anything, this could justify the price for some people; give us how many people you’re expecting, how much it’s costing you and we can see if the price is fair and justifiable...)
• And while I know the decision to not take money at the door is a personal one, your failure to produce a decent, solid reason worries me; so far, you’ve listed tax reasons, personal reasons, and to cater for the limited numbers as reasons, all of which give different worries to me.... I have a feeling that it could simply be that most of the wrestlers are expecting to be paid before the event and thus you need to encourage everyone to pay in advance. But if this is the reason, why not be honest about it? Why dodge the question and be vague? You’ve made the decision for a reason. Give us the reason. It’s obviously one of the major worries people have, so if you really want to get people in, you’ve got to explain your decision here. By being vague and avoiding the question, all you do is drive worries home...
I think my biggest concern is the fact this strikes me as something of an armature production at the moment. It feels as if I could organise this in the exact same way if I wanted to
If I come across as sceptical or negative to an offensive point, I do apologise. But the nature of the internet is that you’ve got to take every post with a large pinch of salt and presume there’s some story we’re not getting. Yeah, as I said, the Dibiase video does allay some fears. I'm presuming that some fee has already been paid for him to do that. It is not so much I worry about a scam; more inexperience or some other things going horribly wrong. Hopefully you realise I only ask these questions because I hope the answers might make me happier about the show and more willing to go.0 -
Teamshadowclan wrote: »I ended up thinking about this topic a lot last night in bed after I had posted my last comment (Yeah, I’m like that <_<). One thing I hope is that people realise that I’m not trying to be negative on purpose. I actually would love to see this do really well, cause I believe that the wrestling market is one which is untapped in Ireland; one which holds huge potential and one I’d love to see developed. My negativity does not come from wanting to see this project fail. Rather, it comes from the fact I want to protect myself from disappointment. Maybe if I outline my thoughts, Alan can answer them and ease my fears.
For one, I worry about Alan himself. No offence intended but the fact you are posting on this board so much shows that it is far more than the 1% of your market that you imply. I would imagine that you wouldn’t pump this much time and effort into answering questions unless you felt it was a very important market. I don’t think you’d give out a number for us to call you unless you wanted us to go desperately. I don’t think you’d (presumably) ask a friend to come here and sing your praises as a person and as a promoter unless you REALLY wanted the people here to not only like you but like your product. If there was bigger markets, I’d imagine you’d be focusing on them rather than us.
Besides, I can only presume we are the target market, and by we, I mean older guys. Kids are going to have no interest in this. Maybe to see Foley, but they aren’t going to be begging parents that much. Family tickets might work if they were cheaper, and if some father wanted to give his kid a chance to meet some of the father’s heroes... but realistically, the only people going to want to meet Dibiase, Virgil and HTM are older guys, who would be the main users of this board. Or have you got a target audience in mind that’s different?
Furthermore, this thing of “I’ll take everyone’s calls” worries me as well. I highly doubt most promoters would take calls personally for ticket bookings and anyone who wanted to discuss the show. It shows that this is, at the moment, a one man operation; one guy organising a few wrestlers to come to Ireland and talk to people. That does worry me. I doubt if I rang up most people promoting events charging this much in other instances that I’d get straight on to them. I doubt most promoters would be giving out their phone numbers online, especially to people who have been so critical of his venture. And my problem then is that as a one man operation, I have little reason to trust him with my money.
Then there are some of the comments he’s made....
• Talking about how Foley will be there since he’s now contracted to appear – I am sure that AWR and others had more than a verbal agreement with Foley when they started splashing his face all over advertisements and websites. I am sure that others were 100% confident he would honour his agreements before he balked at them. Until he is in the hotel though, or at least the country, there is no such thing as a 100% guarantee that he will be here. Obviously, if you and him have a deal, then push that and advertise that. But realise people have concerns there that are justified. I say this as someone who paid money to see him in AWR and then had him cancel (luckily we got Bret Hart instead which was even better....)
• You implied that this event should do well since 500 people went to a similar one in Manchester. As someone pointed out, Ireland’s population is only a fraction of it, so you’ve got to presume only a fraction will attend this one. Which leads to the question; you’ve talked about limited numbers, and obviously you have come to some estimation of how many people will attend when working out your price. How many people are you expecting? How many people are we talking about when you say “limited numbers”? Presumably if it’s limited, you know that limit. Mind sharing it? (If anything, this could justify the price for some people; give us how many people you’re expecting, how much it’s costing you and we can see if the price is fair and justifiable...)
• And while I know the decision to not take money at the door is a personal one, your failure to produce a decent, solid reason worries me; so far, you’ve listed tax reasons, personal reasons, and to cater for the limited numbers as reasons, all of which give different worries to me.... I have a feeling that it could simply be that most of the wrestlers are expecting to be paid before the event and thus you need to encourage everyone to pay in advance. But if this is the reason, why not be honest about it? Why dodge the question and be vague? You’ve made the decision for a reason. Give us the reason. It’s obviously one of the major worries people have, so if you really want to get people in, you’ve got to explain your decision here. By being vague and avoiding the question, all you do is drive worries home...
I think my biggest concern is the fact this strikes me as something of an armature production at the moment. It feels as if I could organise this in the exact same way if I wanted to
If I come across as sceptical or negative to an offensive point, I do apologise. But the nature of the internet is that you’ve got to take every post with a large pinch of salt and presume there’s some story we’re not getting. Yeah, as I said, the Dibiase video does allay some fears. I'm presuming that some fee has already been paid for him to do that. It is not so much I worry about a scam; more inexperience or some other things going horribly wrong. Hopefully you realise I only ask these questions because I hope the answers might make me happier about the show and more willing to go.
Fantastic post man, i dont think you come across sceptical, as your trepidation is completely justified in my honest opinion, and i think ANY event like this, that charges this amount of money and in particular a wrestling one that could very well have a card subject to change particularly as you said with someone like Mick Foley involved who not only no showed AWR but IWW too in the past so his track record with Irish apperances isnt exactly great tbh.
I also completely agee with you about the promoter using boards to get the majority of his customers as his "national advertising" is more likely the 1% whereas Irelands biggest wrestling forum and its potential of word of mouth is the 99% of his fanbase in reality..0 -
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Teamshadowclan wrote: »I ended up thinking about this topic a lot last night in bed after I had posted my last comment (Yeah, I’m like that <_<). One thing I hope is that people realise that I’m not trying to be negative on purpose. I actually would love to see this do really well, cause I believe that the wrestling market is one which is untapped in Ireland; one which holds huge potential and one I’d love to see developed. My negativity does not come from wanting to see this project fail. Rather, it comes from the fact I want to protect myself from disappointment. Maybe if I outline my thoughts, Alan can answer them and ease my fears.
For one, I worry about Alan himself. No offence intended but the fact you are posting on this board so much shows that it is far more than the 1% of your market that you imply. I would imagine that you wouldn’t pump this much time and effort into answering questions unless you felt it was a very important market. I don’t think you’d give out a number for us to call you unless you wanted us to go desperately. I don’t think you’d (presumably) ask a friend to come here and sing your praises as a person and as a promoter unless you REALLY wanted the people here to not only like you but like your product. If there was bigger markets, I’d imagine you’d be focusing on them rather than us.
Besides, I can only presume we are the target market, and by we, I mean older guys. Kids are going to have no interest in this. Maybe to see Foley, but they aren’t going to be begging parents that much. Family tickets might work if they were cheaper, and if some father wanted to give his kid a chance to meet some of the father’s heroes... but realistically, the only people going to want to meet Dibiase, Virgil and HTM are older guys, who would be the main users of this board. Or have you got a target audience in mind that’s different?
Furthermore, this thing of “I’ll take everyone’s calls” worries me as well. I highly doubt most promoters would take calls personally for ticket bookings and anyone who wanted to discuss the show. It shows that this is, at the moment, a one man operation; one guy organising a few wrestlers to come to Ireland and talk to people. That does worry me. I doubt if I rang up most people promoting events charging this much in other instances that I’d get straight on to them. I doubt most promoters would be giving out their phone numbers online, especially to people who have been so critical of his venture. And my problem then is that as a one man operation, I have little reason to trust him with my money.
Then there are some of the comments he’s made....
• Talking about how Foley will be there since he’s now contracted to appear – I am sure that AWR and others had more than a verbal agreement with Foley when they started splashing his face all over advertisements and websites. I am sure that others were 100% confident he would honour his agreements before he balked at them. Until he is in the hotel though, or at least the country, there is no such thing as a 100% guarantee that he will be here. Obviously, if you and him have a deal, then push that and advertise that. But realise people have concerns there that are justified. I say this as someone who paid money to see him in AWR and then had him cancel (luckily we got Bret Hart instead which was even better....)
• You implied that this event should do well since 500 people went to a similar one in Manchester. As someone pointed out, Ireland’s population is only a fraction of it, so you’ve got to presume only a fraction will attend this one. Which leads to the question; you’ve talked about limited numbers, and obviously you have come to some estimation of how many people will attend when working out your price. How many people are you expecting? How many people are we talking about when you say “limited numbers”? Presumably if it’s limited, you know that limit. Mind sharing it? (If anything, this could justify the price for some people; give us how many people you’re expecting, how much it’s costing you and we can see if the price is fair and justifiable...)
• And while I know the decision to not take money at the door is a personal one, your failure to produce a decent, solid reason worries me; so far, you’ve listed tax reasons, personal reasons, and to cater for the limited numbers as reasons, all of which give different worries to me.... I have a feeling that it could simply be that most of the wrestlers are expecting to be paid before the event and thus you need to encourage everyone to pay in advance. But if this is the reason, why not be honest about it? Why dodge the question and be vague? You’ve made the decision for a reason. Give us the reason. It’s obviously one of the major worries people have, so if you really want to get people in, you’ve got to explain your decision here. By being vague and avoiding the question, all you do is drive worries home...
I think my biggest concern is the fact this strikes me as something of an armature production at the moment. It feels as if I could organise this in the exact same way if I wanted to
If I come across as sceptical or negative to an offensive point, I do apologise. But the nature of the internet is that you’ve got to take every post with a large pinch of salt and presume there’s some story we’re not getting. Yeah, as I said, the Dibiase video does allay some fears. I'm presuming that some fee has already been paid for him to do that. It is not so much I worry about a scam; more inexperience or some other things going horribly wrong. Hopefully you realise I only ask these questions because I hope the answers might make me happier about the show and more willing to go.
This is a tremendous post and is a far more eloquent summation of my thoughts on this whole thing than I could ever hope to produce.
I look forward to Alan's replies to your concerns.0 -
Teamshadowclan wrote: »Hmm, disappointed here. Was excited when I started reading the topic from page one, but grew worried as the topic continued....
Maybe it's because I'm spoiled a little. I mean, the AWR shows were 40 ish quid and I got to meat Bret Hart (!) for that, even if it was an extra fiver for the picture. I was really tempted to go to this; I go to college just down the road from it so getting there would be no hassle. BUt everyone I've talked to about it today said I'd be mad to just fork out that much money so far in advance for something like this. There's a few things worry me, mostly the dodging of the reason you can't take money on the door. I fully accept your decision to do so, but the fact you're dodging the reasons why you've chosen, other than some vague comments about personal choice, limited entry and "tax", makes me feel like this is an episode of Joe Duffy waiting to happen.
Even as a hardcore fan, as the presumably target market member (older guys who'd have watched some of these people; I can't imagine any kids are going to be begging their parents to go at the moment), I simply can't justify that much money for something which I have no reason to trust.
I know some people are giving out about "moaners" and "skeptics". But for that much money, you've got to be skeptical
I'd say I'd go along on the day and pay at the door once I've got confirmation people are inside and everything is ok, but then you're saying we can't even do that.....
I am not interested in taking money on the door. I need to pay in advance for lunches, posters and other bits and pieces for each person and when you need concrete numbers in advance for hotels and wrestlers I am not going down the road of cash on the door.0 -
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