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Potential Storm - Sunday 28th Feb

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    Has paddy1 gone off to France? is that why he hasn't been posting much of late;)

    He must be on the ferry to Brittany :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    The 12Z GFS is a big downgrade of the storm Saturday, with the 2nd jetstreak weaker than previously progged, and the surface centre moving out of the left front quadrant as it nears Portugal, consequently filling and taking a more easterly track through central France and into Germany.

    The 12Z UKMO still has it as before, a potent sub-970hPa low, therefore on a more northerly track, with its centre clipping Galicia and tracking into northern France and Denmark by Monday 12Z.

    With only 18hrs to go before we see the first signs of it forming west of Madeira, there is still some uncertainty with it.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,848 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Poor paddy1 his ferry trip is all in vain so:D

    I think it may well take a deep system to end this pattern of weather we're experiencing. So we could yet see a storm come close to Ireland sometime in March.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    12Z ECMWF is still progressive on this system, keeping it at 969hPa as it reaches the English Channel Sunday morning, and a little to the right of previous runs. If it were to drift to the left, conditions would be marginal for wintry precipitation in the east, but so far there's no real sign of the models correcting track westwards.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    Birth of a storm

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Madeira and Porto Santo TAFs are giving some strong winds early tomorrow, southerly 30 gusting 50 knots. With a wind like that at Madeira airport, where turbulence can be severe, there'll be no flights landing there, that's for sure! Moderate rain and drizzle forecast for the 24 hours, so hopefully not a repeat of last Saturday.


    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]LPMA 260730Z 21004KT 170V240 9999 SCT006 BKN013 17/16 Q1009 RS22002KT 0522004KT 2324006KT[/FONT]

    LPMA 260500Z 2606/2706 VRB05KT 9999 SCT015 BKN030
    TEMPO 2606/2706 4000 RADZ BR SCT008 BKN013
    BECMG 2607/2609 20008KT
    BECMG 2612/2614 20017KT
    BECMG 2622/2624 20025G35KT
    TEMPO 2700/2706 20035G50KT


    Meanwhile, the 00Z GFS has the system back as a potent storm in the English channel again after yesterday's 12Z downgrade, but a lot further east than the UKMO. Still some indecision between the models, so still a small chance that it could track more westerly.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    The Portuguese IM are warning of sustained coastal winds of 60-85kmph (Force9-10), with gusts up to 150kmph (93mph) tomorrow in continental Portugal. :eek:
    Previsão para Sábado, 27 de Fevereiro de 2010

    Céu muito nublado ou encoberto, por vezes com abertas para o final
    da tarde.
    Períodos de chuva por vezes forte, passando gradualmente a regime
    de aguaceiros a partir da tarde.
    Vento forte (35 a 55 km/h) do quadrante sul, soprando
    temporariamente muito forte a excepcionalmente forte (60 a 85 km/h),
    com rajadas da ordem dos 150 km/h no litoral e terras altas e
    rodando para oeste a partir do final da tarde.
    Subida de temperatura.

    ESTADO DO MAR
    Costa Ocidental: Ondas de sudoeste com 3 a 4 metros, aumentando
    temporariamente para 5 a 7 metros.
    Temperatura da água do mar: 13/15ºC
    Costa Sul: Ondas de sudoeste com 2 metros, aumentando
    para 4 a 5 metros.
    Temperatura da água do mar: 16ºC

    Actualizado a 26 de Fevereiro de 2010 às 10:3 UTC


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    ALADIN model
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    This storm is already looking agressive on satellite,and i think it could be deeper than suggested.
    The NAE has it on this path but could eventually skirting closer to south england coasts.



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    Needs to be watch very closely this one,as it contains lots of moisture and poor old maderia is getting no luck lately all down to our prodical son called the jet stream.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Remember the system is developing in an area with very limited observations between 30-60W, both surface and upper air, so initial discrepancies in the different model analyses will have a bearing on the dynamics of its evolution. We saw yesterday with the GFS that a small change in the jetstream positioning and strength led to a very different system come Sunday lunchtime. It won't really be until we get inside the 24hr timeframe tomorrow that we'll be fairly certain what way it's going to go.

    DWD 00Z 300hPa Analysis
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    GFS 00Z 300hPa Analysis
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Deep Easterly


    AEMET's HIRLAM model keeps this feature away from hus baz.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Where or who is hus baz??!! :confused:


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,848 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    He's just expressing disappointment in Tuam vernacular:P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    He's just expressing disappointment in Tuam vernacular:P


    Yeah tuam has a language of its own:D

    Know a few people there and worked for a crowd based there


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Deep Easterly


    He's just expressing disappointment in Tuam vernacular:P

    Wide..


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    Tuam or Chooom? Its very quiet on here this evening. Perhaps everyone has gone to watch the rugby in twickenham?


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,848 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Wide..

    "Shapes";)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭Deep Easterly


    "Shapes";)

    Stall the breeze! his gills is well wide for da spake :eek:

    Have ye Mayoians (:D) broken the sacred code? :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    The first effect are getting into Madeira and Porto Santo now. Note the TAF is giving southerly winds, mean 45, gusting 60 knots, with heavy rain, from midnight to 8am. I'm sure it's going to be a long night for them after what happened last week....:(
    METAR
    [FONT=Monospace,Courier]LPMA 262000Z 22018KT 9999 -RA SCT010 BKN015 FEW016TCU 18/17 Q0999 RS20015KT 0521015KT 2323018KT[/FONT]

    TAF
    LPMA 261700Z 2618/2718 22025KT 8000 SCT010 BKN013
    TEMPO 2618/2708 22030G45KT 4000 -RADZ BR SCT005 BKN010 FEW015CB
    PROB40
    TEMPO 2700/2708 22045G60KT 1500 +RA BR BKN003
    BECMG 2706/2708 26025G35KT 9999 SCT015
    TEMPO 2708/2718 8000 SHRA BKN015 FEW018CB
    BECMG 2710/2712 32020KT


    Meanwhile, look at the TAF for Porto Airport, southerly mean 50, gusting 65 knots, from midday tomorrow! :eek:
    LPPR 261700Z 2618/2718 19015KT 9999 SCT015 BKN030
    TEMPO 2618/2624 8000 -SHRA BKN015 FEW020CB
    BECMG 2622/2624 14010KT 4000 RA SCT006 BKN012
    TEMPO 2700/2712 1500 +RA SCT003 BKN006
    BECMG 2707/2709 18025G35KT 8000 NSW SCT012 BKN020
    PROB40
    TEMPO 2712/2718 19050G65KT 3000 RADZ SCT006 BKN012 SCT018CB


  • Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭Cabra


    Heading to Madeira on Sunday - any thoughts on what we can expect weatherwise?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,682 ✭✭✭Speak Now


    Cabra wrote: »
    Heading to Madeira on Sunday - any thoughts on what we can expect weatherwise?

    Dunno if you're taking the piss or not but the low will have passed through by then. Expect temps around 18-20c this time of year but possibly a bit showery with the current jet stream.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭Cabra


    Definitely not taking the piss - tried to get an alternative destination or a refund, travel agent having none of it - airport open, hotel open for business so have to go - every met site I look at just has more rain forecast and they've had enough of it I think!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Here's the Portuguese Met's official 10 fay forecast for Funchal (the first 3 days are human forecasts - days 4 - 10 are computer generated)

    http://www.meteo.pt/en/cidade10dias.jsp?localID=9


  • Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭Cabra


    Thanks for that - looks like it'll be a quiet week anyway - the loss of life last weekend is bound to have an effect on the atmosphere there


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    The Atlantic storm track aimed for Europe and the Mediterranean basin as a whole has been cranked up lately by factors tied to sea surface temperature over the Atlantic Ocean. Unusual warmth off west Africa has clashed with unusual cold stretched from off eastern North America to western Europe. Add to this still more unusual warmth between Scandinavia and Greenland.



    http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&blog=andrews&pgurl=/mtweb/content/andrews/archives/2010/02/severe_blow_coming_to_western_europe.asp



    If the storm can edge slightly closer to us the east could get a brush of the outer heavy precip and it would likely be wintry.doubtful but you never know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,279 ✭✭✭Su Campu


    Some pretty strong winds in Portugal now as the tightest pressure gradient reaches the coast just north of Lisbon. Cabo Carvoeiro, Cabo Raso and Torres Vedra are showing 10 minute mean speeds of around 50mph, with obviously higher gusts.

    Their 00Z ALADIN Hi-REs model has this one bang on the money, showing the tight gradient in that area. Looks like being off the southeast coast of England tomorrow lunchtime as a potent 963hPa. Could be disruption to airports in London, Brussels, Amsterdam, Paris.

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    Cabo Carvoerio
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    Cabo Raso
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    Torres Vedra
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    Not my analysis.

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    Sat Imagery - WV imagery shows Shapiro-Keyser Model with limited cold front and most activity on Warm front / occlusion process. Developing Cold conveyer is located north of the low centre (note convection elements feeding into this belt) Developing cloud hook looks set to emerge from area around 43N 11W at 15Z. Met 9 Rapid Scan Imagery indicates the development well. Cloud hook will need watching for warming as CSI is released from growing cooling tops into CCB and warming through cloud tip. Sting Jet Forms to SE of this area.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,550 ✭✭✭Min


    So far 15 people dead from this storm in France.

    Thankfully our weather is boring right now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,813 ✭✭✭thomasj


    Min wrote: »
    So far 15 people dead from this storm in France.

    Thankfully our weather is boring right now.

    yep 100% agree, there are times we can get depressing and boring by the weather we get but based on those reports from france and germany i would take the muck we get over storms any day!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,693 ✭✭✭Redsunset


    Min wrote: »
    So far 15 people dead from this storm in France.

    Thankfully our weather is boring right now.


    Now 45 dead


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    I thought we were supposed to be getting some of this, not that I'm complaining its gone south.


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