HD 4870

Lu Tze

Howdy all,

I was in PC world today for a wander and i came across this for a ridiculously low price so without thinking i bought it.

But i have no idea whether my PSU will be suitable as it is a Dell Inspiron 530 and can't seem to find any concrete info on PSU in the manual.

So can i use this graphics card in my computer?

If not, what price can i get selling it on (unused, with a receipt from today)

PogMoThoin

What price? PcWorld aren't renowned for their bargain prices?
What psu have You? 4870 are fairly power hungry and need 2x 6pin pcie power connectors. 450W plus I reckon
Is there room,? the 4870 is fairly big, I think nearly 9 inches, will the case take a full size card?

Solitaire

I doubt there's a hope in hell of keeping it stable in a Inspiron 530. Those things eat electricity (130-150W under load) and spew out tons of heat in return, and the 530 only has a 300W PSU.

massy086

ye what price did you pay

Lu Tze

Solitaire wrote: »

I doubt there's a hope in hell of keeping it stable in a Inspiron 530. Those things eat electricity (130-150W under load) and spew out tons of heat in return, and the 530 only has a 300W PSU.

Shite, not much of a bargain then seeing as i can't use it

ye what price did you pay

What price? PcWorld aren't renowned for their bargain prices?

Got it for €49.97

Edit: Apologies for delay in replying, match started and got distracted!

zodac

The 4870 has 2 6-pins right? I'm sorry, but there's no chance of getting that working with your PSU.

Try returning it if it isn't opened?

Solitaire

Lu Tze wrote: »

Got it for €49.97

You sure you didn't pick up a HD4670?!

Hell, even those are €90+ in PCWorld lately! :eek:

Lu Tze

Solitaire wrote: »

You sure you didn't pick up a HD4670?!

Hell, even those are €90+ in PCWorld lately! :eek:

Yeah, i did a double take myself! it had clearance written on the barcode thingy on the shelf though and just as proof...:eek:

Solitaire

:eek:

The only things that were in the clearance sale in Navan were dodgy old iPod covers and a big surge protector that was reduced all of, oh, €5

dreamers75

uhh give you 60 for it and postage

Solitaire

^ And it begins... :rolleyes::D

dreamers75

Solitaire wrote: »

^ And it begins... :rolleyes::D

dammit are there bargain alerts bouncy rules to this thread too ?


peats still dont have those in!!!! :mad:

Lu Tze

Solitaire wrote: »

:eek:

The only things that were in the clearance sale in Navan were dodgy old iPod covers and a big surge protector that was reduced all of, oh, €5

It was the only thing i saw on clearance, just couldn't leave it behind me at that price, even though i have no need for it now

Any idea how much i would get for it?

Was half thinking about getting a new psu to use it, but have a 4670 and don't think there would be much if any difference when using a 1366x768 hd ready tv as a monitor

Solitaire

dreamers75 wrote: »

dammit are there bargain alerts bouncy rules to this thread too ?

Hmm, I didn't add any rule to BA demanding that posters remain bouncing for the duration but if you really want to...

Lu Tze wrote: »

Was half thinking about getting a new psu to use it, but have a 4670 and don't think there would be much if any difference when using a 1366x768 hd ready tv as a monitor

Hmm... it depends on the rest of your setup but you'd need at least a CX400 to run it, and that's assuming you have a low-ish-power rig and have a Molex>PCIe adaptor handy Crysis would probably like it But most games would only get a slight boost at 720p+

dreamers75

Lu Tze wrote: »

It was the only thing i saw on clearance, just couldn't leave it behind me at that price, even though i have no need for it now

Any idea how much i would get for it?

Was half thinking about getting a new psu to use it, but have a 4670 and don't think there would be much if any difference when using a 1366x768 hd ready tv as a monitor

uhhh 60 and postage


tbh getting a PSU for a dell that works and power it more is a hassle but in the case of a 4870 its worth it. the single greatest graphics EVER!!!


Btw evil moderator back in the days before the stupid adverts.ie people like me would leech parts of the upgraders here, seriously most of pcs were builts from buying parts on here. The stupid adverts.ie killed that There was a group of us we had no issue being called leeches

Lu Tze

dreamers75 wrote: »

uhhh 60 and postage


tbh getting a PSU for a dell that works and power it more is a hassle but in the case of a 4870 its worth it. the single greatest graphics EVER!!!


Btw evil moderator back in the days before the stupid adverts.ie people like me would leech parts of the upgraders here, seriously most of pcs were builts from buying parts on here. The stupid adverts.ie killed that There was a group of us we had noto issue being called leeches

I'm guessing i can't sell it to you here then!?

dreamers75

Lu Tze wrote: »

I'm guessing i can't sell it to you here then!?

prolly not we both get banned or somfin

i got my brothera psu to run a 4870 in a dell dinmension 740, theres a company who specialise in PSUs for upgrading dells. cant think of the name atm

im sure someone here knows the name

Lu Tze

Solitaire wrote: »

Hmm... it depends on the rest of your setup but you'd need at least a CX400 to run it, and that's assuming you have a low-ish-power rig and have a Molex>PCIe adaptor handy Crysis would probably like it But most games would only get a slight boost at 720p+

Probably going to have to leave the country in a few months time to look for work, so i don't think there is any point in spending anything upgrading!

Effluo

You could get at least 100 for it on adverts

Or sell it on ebay for 120 delivered

dreamers75

Effluo wrote: »

You could get at least 100 for it on adverts

Or sell it on ebay for 120 delivered

or 60 and postage?

Solitaire

*gives him The Look*

Stay back, leech!

Lu Tze

dreamers75 wrote: »

tbh getting a PSU for a dell that works and power it more is a hassle but in the case of a 4870 its worth it. the single greatest graphics EVER!!!

Right, beginning to rethink here and am considering getting a PSU if i can get one for cheap.

Anybody have any opinions as to the suitability of these below, whether they would suit my needs?

http://adverts.ie/182115

or the one listed here

http://adverts.ie/173010

Solitaire

What other kit do you have in that machine?

Both those PSUs would do, but they're both pretty mediocre, ageing units. The TruePower is cheaper but still overpriced. Did I tell you that they violently explode and kill attached hardware? Avoid v1/v2.0 TruePowers!

The OCZ is fair but €50 for it second-hand is ludicrous - I sometimes see them cheaper new! :eek:

Lu Tze

Solitaire wrote: »

What other kit do you have in that machine?

Nothing much, it is all fairly standard, an E6550, 2 gig of ram, dvd drive, 1 hard drive...oh and a HD4670

Solitaire wrote: »

Both those PSUs would do, but they're both pretty mediocre, ageing units. The TruePower is cheaper but still overpriced. Did I tell you that they violently explode

ANy idea where best to source a cheap one, which isn't liable to leave me like Fr. Bigley!

Edit: This appears to have two PCI-E connectors, but is only 430w. Any body have any experience with this brand/model (Seasonic)?

http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=495773

54kroc

Lu Tze wrote: »

Any body have any experience with this brand/model (Seasonic)?

Seasonic is a very good brand, Google a few of their psu's and read the reviews,They always do well.
My brother is running a 4870 with a 400w psu and has never had a bit of bother, So I'd say 430 should be fine.
I don't think you can go far wrong for that money and you can collect for free, Happy days.

Solitaire

Nope, it only has one 6pin. Similar spec to Corsair CX400 (right down to 30A on the 12V rail) but better stability and efficiency. Its a possibility although I'm a little more comfortable putting high-TDP GPUs on PSUs with over 35A on the 12V rail.

54kroc

Solitaire wrote: »

Nope, it only has one 6pin.

Are you sure I thought it has one 6 pin pci-e and one 6/8 pin pci-e.
Have a look here and here or do I have the wrong psu?

Solitaire

Nope, different sources are contradicting each other. Most review sites say it has one 6pin, but Komplett says it has one 6pin and one 8pin. I checked Seasonic and they claim it has two 6pin and no 8pin. And yes, it was the S12 II 430GB in each case. Confused? I sure am!

Still, if you can't find a better deal go for it. Odds are it'll have enough connections and while 30A is a bit tight you only have a basic rig with a 65W CPU so it should be fairly efficient.

54kroc

Did you look at the seasonic link in my post? It says it has one of each,but either way does it matter as there are two molex to pci-e cables in the box with his gpu.
I have used these in other peoples pc's and everything seemed fine.

Here's a good review of the psu.

Solitaire

That's one of the sources that claims it only has the one 6pin!

I'd take Seasonic's word over theirs. Then again since the review there could have been a minor revision that shoehorned in another PCIe cable of course!

Lu Tze

Thanks for all your input guys, it i s appreciated!

It always helps to be informed! I'll do a bit more looking at this myself before i decide anything. Just to add to the confusion around the seasonic though, on kompletts webiste is this...
Power Output Connectors Details
1 x power 24 pin ATX with detachable 4 pin section
1 x power 8 pin +12V
9 x 4 PIN internal power
6 x 15 pin Serial ATA power
2 x 4 PIN mini-power connector
1 x 6 pin PCI Express power
1 x 8 pin PCI Express power

If only this wasn't my first time ever looking at Power Supplies:o

Solitaire

Don't sweat it The CX400 is a regular pick here and it's not as good as the Seasonic and can be absolutely certain of not having a second PCIe connector! The S12 II 430GB is a good PSU and the best pick unless you can find an unbelievable eleventh-hour deal out there!

Effluo

I'm just thinking that maybe the op shouldn't bother using the 4870 at all!

He has a 4670 and that's a pretty capable gpu at lower resolutions,

Are you finding it difficult to play some games or something?

Nollog

Lu Tze wrote: »

1 x 6 pin PCI Express power
1 x 8 pin PCI Express power

Sometimes that means 1 x 6 pin PCI Express power, with 1 x 6-to-8 Pin Adapter.

54kroc

Nollog wrote: »

Sometimes that means 1 x 6 pin PCI Express power, with 1 x 6-to-8 Pin Adapter.

I think someone should buy one to find out.
I think it has 1 6pin and 1 8pin that you can split two pins off.

Solitaire

Did I just hear Lu Tze volunteer?? :P

Deano12345

cork45 wrote: »

I think someone should buy one to find out.
I think it has 1 6pin and 1 8pin that you can split two pins off.

On Seasonics site,it lists 1x6Pin and an 8Pin (For motherboard power,not the PCI-E 8Pin)

I think it may be possible that Komplett mixed the 8 Pin up in their description,although I doubt this

Lu Tze

Solitaire wrote: »

Did I just hear Lu Tze volunteer?? :P

Ready for Duty Sergeant Major, Sir!

I'll probably get it alright. I'll let ye know how it goes!

54kroc

Deano12345 wrote: »

On Seasonics site,it lists 1x6Pin and an 8Pin (For motherboard power,not the PCI-E 8Pin)

I think it may be possible that Komplett mixed the 8 Pin up in their description,although I doubt this

On the site http://www.seasonic.com/pdf/datasheet/NEW/Retail/S12II%20Bronze.pdf
it say's it has one of each.

Deano12345

cork45 wrote: »

On the site http://www.seasonic.com/pdf/datasheet/NEW/Retail/S12II%20Bronze.pdf
it say's it has one of each.

This is odd,because it says here

http://www.seasonicusa.com/S12II.htm

2x6Pins but no 8pin

Agh,I dunno :mad::o

Lu Tze

Right, i ordered it, it is relatively cheap anyway. I'll let ye know how many connections it has, and whether or not i can install it without frying anything!

Cheers for the help!

54kroc

Deano12345 wrote: »

This is odd,because it says here

http://www.seasonicusa.com/S12II.htm

2x6Pins but no 8pin

Agh,I dunno :mad::o

Ah Jesus,Dam you Seasonic......

Good luck with the psu Lu Tze.

Solitaire

Now you know the problem I had with that thing! :P

In any case surely Lu Tze can tell us the truth of the matter in a few days time

dreamers75

Lu Tze wrote: »

Right, beginning to rethink here and am considering getting a PSU if i can get one for cheap.

i blame Solitaire

Seriosuly only certain type PSUs work in Dells, fairly sure most normal ones dont.

Altho Dell say they dont use proprietary motherboards anymore, they really do.

Solitaire

That comment is only several years too late :P

Dell have been using standard ATX PSUs for years. ATX mobos, not so long

And of course Dell use proprietary OEM mobos in thier systems, but so long as they conform to ATX (not flippin' BTX!!) specifications that's fine.

54kroc

How long have they being using ATX mobos?

dreamers75

Solitaire wrote: »

That comment is only several years too late :P

Dell have been using standard ATX PSUs for years. ATX mobos, not so long

And of course Dell use proprietary OEM mobos in thier systems, but so long as they conform to ATX (not flippin' BTX!!) specifications that's fine.

bro has an Optiplex 740 that wouldnt accept anything other than one of a website that i cant find anymore:(

Normal Atx dont work in them (i tried 3 ) Could have just been the optiplex but Dell really dont what you to upgrade for obvious reason. And the 740 is a recentish model.


hey if it doesnt work out im a winner here but before you buy anything make sure it works in a dell.

530 maybe a winner

http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19325366.aspx

Solitaire

Dell switched the business-oriented Opteron line back to proprietary PSUs a while back for some retarded reason. Not sure if the wiring is different, its just they're not the same dimensions as ATX units. I was really talking about the consumer-oriented Inspiron line that most home users have.

54kroc

Well op did you get the psu?

Lu Tze

Haven't collected it yet! Its waiting out at kompletts depot for me! Will be collecting it tomorrow, now just scanning adverts for a monitor... ideally on the way to blanchardstown

Lu Tze

Solitaire wrote: »

Now you know the problem I had with that thing! :P

In any case surely Lu Tze can tell us the truth of the matter in a few days time

cork45 wrote: »

Well op did you get the psu?

I am sure ye have been on hte edge of yer seats... it has 1 6 pin PCI-E connector.

Unfortunately though i think i am going to have to return it. Powered everything up fine but there is a fierce noise off of it (i attached sample, that was just me powering on and off, strange ticking noise), like the PS fan is catching something.

i'll see tomorrow if there is something noticeable when i look at t in better light

Edit: Yeah discovered why the file wasn't working, copying and pasting into to word gives and image, not the actual file:o

Apologies to the 3 people who looked at it! Its working now!