Stoke City V Arsenal Match Thread. Live SS1

Ordinary man · 28-02-2010 3:23pm

Did any of you Arsenal supporters follow the team when they were breaking records for red cards recieved? Ye were happy for Viera to put in tackles like that ever week but when it happens against your team there's outrage. Wenger never saw anything either so get your double standards right. I have symphathy for Ramsey but there is no law(yet) that opponents can't tackle arsenal players:mad:

Minstrel27 · 28-02-2010 3:26pm

Ordinary man wrote: »

Did any of you Arsenal supporters follow the team when they were breaking records for red cards recieved? Ye were happy for Viera to put in tackles like that ever week but when it happens against your team there's outrage. Wenger never saw anything either so get your double standards right. I have symphathy for Ramsey but there is no law(yet) that opponents can't tackle arsenal players:mad:

FFS. This thread is never going to go back on topic.

adox · 28-02-2010 3:33pm

SDTimeout wrote: »

Dear rest of preimer league.

I am sorry, i really am that arsenal play the best football in the league.
-SD

I think you mean most attractive football.
If you played the best football you wouldn't be trophyless for the last 4 seasons.

FUNKY LOVER · 28-02-2010 3:39pm

this is shawcross last season,anything familiar?nice guy my ****en hole.

FUNKY LOVER · 28-02-2010 3:41pm

http://i48.tinypic.com/2hno10x.jp
not forgetting this too....

ragg · 28-02-2010 3:49pm

About the incident yesterday - Didn't really catch it properly yesterday - was chatting in the pub and missed it in detail. i knew it was a bad tackle but having seen it properly today im actually horrified.

horrific tackle, horrific injury on a promising young player

SDTimeout · 28-02-2010 4:02pm

Lad's it's always been the other players fault. I mean it was THEIR foot stuck in the ground!! :rolleyes:

FUNKY LOVER · 28-02-2010 4:05pm

have you even looked at the pic and link i left??your missing the point,noone is saying he done it on purpose,but surely after breaking jeffers ankle in the past and nearly ades last season one has to ask should he be flying in with tackles if he cant time them properly??

what happend yesterday was bound to happen with such a history of clumsy challenges.

Galvasean · 28-02-2010 4:09pm

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

this is shawcross last season,anything familiar?nice guy my ****en hole.

It's also worth pointing out that Adebayor is not actually on the pitch in that picture. Not even on the pitch.

FUNKY LOVER · 28-02-2010 4:12pm

im sick of people who know nothing about football comung on this thread and voicing their opinions,oh hes a nice guy etc without knowing anything about his past,its just like the english and the english media,why dont they just follow england this summer??

Frisbee · 28-02-2010 5:44pm

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Yup, think the coincidence comment is being misinterpreted. He isn't saying these tackles were malicious, but the attitude teams have towards Arsenal is irresponsible, makes injuries more likely and lo and behold, Arsenal have a 3rd player with his leg broken in less than 4 years.

Spot on.

Mr Alan wrote: »

Do you think Shawcross should have a lengthier ban imposed?

Absolutely not.

Iago wrote: »

Which brings me to the second point, protecting yourself in a 50/50. As anyone who has ever played football at any type of competitive level will tell you, going into a 50/50 or even 60/40 in your favour with anything other than full commitment will more often than not lead to you getting injured, and in some cases very badly injured. So you go in fully commited and aiming to avoid injury yourself, not that it always works out that way.

This is a very good point. Anyone who has played football competitively has it drilled into them at a very young age that backing out of a 50/50 will most likely leave you ending up injured as all the force is going against you. If you both go in full blooded your reducing the amount of force being applied to wherever your hit. It's the same in nearly every sport.

I play hockey too and just back from a match there. First half there was a ball running away from the two of us, we both went in fully committed. I ended up getting hit in the neck, but because i put myself as close to him as I could I didn't get hit at full whack, whereas if I had have backed off slightly he would have got full momentum into his swing and probably knocked me the f**k out.

Backing out of a challenge in any sport is a sure fire way to get yourself hurt.

gosplan · 28-02-2010 5:55pm

Ordinary man wrote: »

Did any of you Arsenal supporters follow the team when they were breaking records for red cards recieved? Ye were happy for Viera to put in tackles like that ever week but when it happens against your team there's outrage. Wenger never saw anything either so get your double standards right. I have symphathy for Ramsey but there is no law(yet) that opponents can't tackle arsenal players:mad:

Lol.

You're right. I loved every red card Paddy got.

Get my double standards right? Can you explain what that means? I'm genuinely curious.

gosplan · 28-02-2010 6:01pm

Galvasean wrote: »

It's also worth pointing out that Adebayor is not actually on the pitch in that picture. Not even on the pitch.

Like i said, there's a fine line between commitment and recklessness.

m@cc@ · 28-02-2010 8:59pm

This thread has descended into indignant farce at this stage.

magma69 · 28-02-2010 9:11pm

FUNKY LOVER wrote: »

this is shawcross last season,anything familiar?nice guy my ****en hole.

Are you serious? I could find a similar picture of any defender in the premiership. That includes Arsenal players. If all players could tackle perfectly everytime there wouldn't be any fouls. It is a contact sport, get over it. I can't believe so many people are getting Wengeritis victim mentality. It is pathetic.

magma69 · 28-02-2010 9:31pm

Fuzzy_Dunlop · 28-02-2010 9:36pm

magma69 wrote: »

Only the Gallas one looks particularly bad there? (And maybe the Carragher one though its hard to tell how far his leg is from Lampard)

magma69 · 28-02-2010 9:40pm

playa3 wrote: »

Only the Gallas one looks particularly bad there? (And maybe the Carragher one though its hard to tell how far his leg is from Lampard)

They are all late tackles which could have caused injury. It is part of the game. The fact some of those are worse than others is irrelevant and besides the point. All defenders make late tackles. Nobody is perfect.

Galvasean · 28-02-2010 9:49pm

magma69 wrote: »

Are you serious? I could find a similar picture of any defender in the premiership. That includes Arsenal players. If all players could tackle perfectly everytime there wouldn't be any fouls. It is a contact sport, get over it. I can't believe so many people are getting Wengeritis victim mentality. It is pathetic.

How many of these defenders will you find pictures of with them making a crap tackle like that on a player that isn't on the football pitch (as is the case in Shawcross on Adebayor)?

Mr Alan · 28-02-2010 9:53pm

are people really trying to use that picture as prove of anything? oh good god

magma69 · 28-02-2010 9:58pm

Galvasean wrote: »

How many of these defenders will you find pictures of with them making a crap tackle like that on a player that isn't on the football pitch (as is the case in Shawcross on Adebayor)?

Oh will you come off it ffs. Just because Adeboyor happened to be by the line when Shawcross went in makes zero difference. You really are clutching at straws here. :rolleyes:. All of them were bad tackles simple as. They happen all the time. You haven't a leg to stand on. (Pardon the pun

)

magma69 · 28-02-2010 9:59pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

are people really trying to use that picture as prove of anything? oh good god

Sad isn't it. :rolleyes:

Galvasean · 28-02-2010 11:54pm

magma69 wrote: »

Oh will you come off it ffs. Just because Adeboyor happened to be by the line when Shawcross went in makes zero difference. You really are clutching at straws here. :rolleyes:. All of them were bad tackles simple as. They happen all the time. You haven't a leg to stand on. (Pardon the pun )

Unless I'm mistaken the Adebayor picture was used to highlight that Shawcross has a history of making particularly crap tackles. Tackling a guy from behind like that when he's not on the pitch is just plain ridiculous. Now, I'm not one of the mindset that Shawcross deliberately tries to do players in. I just think that he has a history of recklessness, which in itself is very dangerous. While pretty much every defender in history has had his fair share of crap tackles, there aren't too many that have taken out a guy who wasn't on the field like that. Not to mention the fact that he is responsible for two broken legs. It shows that his style of play is the type which can (and unfortunately does) lead to serious injury. He needs to reign himself in a little bit or he'll get more red cards.

jank · 01-03-2010 3:30am

m@cc@ wrote: »

He lost my attention after 'Duh, you are a ****ing moron and you should shut up.' Juvenile reasoning and almost harps back to the 'they're all against us' mentality of Arsenal of old. Placing part of the blame of Ramsey's injury in Sky Sports is just epic. They don't perpetuate a 'myth' that Arsenal 'don't like it up them', Arsenal do that. The lesser teams have had success against Arsenal when they play physical, that's been proven.

Well if you dont want to read something then dont give an opinoin about it. This isnt a Joe Duffy phone in.

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