Stoke City V Arsenal Match Thread. Live SS1

Minstrel27

paul150 wrote: »

For people who want to see a replay of the tackle. Warning that it is horrible Link

Some people should get the mansize tissues out.

OPENROAD

Mr Alan wrote: »

I must have missed the post where you said you were wrong to accuse a young player of deliberatly breaking another players leg

Did I use those words?Please show me where I said that.

I called for an extra ban, which I said in the heat of the moment after seeing a very highly promising player being stretchered off and who quite possibly won't be the same player again.


Cut me some slack.

PHB

3 points off the top. Big win for Arsenal.

Hank Scorpio

arsenal looking united

ErinGoBrath

Stoke fans have turned my stomach with their booing. And what about the 'You're f**ked and you know you are' chant when Ramsey went off?

recylingbin

Fair play to the Arse. Good 3 points given the circumstances.

IT'S ON!!!!

DazMarz

ErinGoBrath wrote: »

Stoke fans have turned my stomach with their booing. And what about the 'You're f**ked and you know you are' chant when Ramsey went off?

I'm all for a bit of needling chanting at opposition fans/players... but that was disgusting and absolutely sickening. The poor kid is only 19 and he was showing huge promise as a player. With any luck, it won't be a career-threatening one and he'll be back like Eduardo.

While Stoke fans disgusted me, I do feel sorry for Shawcross too; it was an honest mistake/attmempt to get the ball and he looked utterly devastated walking off the pitch.

Mr Alan

i really hope Wenger acts responsibly in his post match interview.

ErinGoBrath

DazMarz wrote: »

While Stoke fans disgusted me, I do feel sorry for Shawcross too; it was an honest mistake/attmempt to get the ball and he looked utterly devastated walking off the pitch.

Yeah completely agree there, hope he doesn't suffer too much as a result of it.

SlickRic

ErinGoBrath wrote: »

Stoke fans have turned my stomach with their booing. And what about the 'You're f**ked and you know you are' chant when Ramsey went off?

if that's true, which i've no doubt it is as you wouldn't have any reason to lie...Stoke should have to polay behind closed doors for a couple of games.

ridiculous chant, and has no place in society, let alone a football stadium.

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Mr Alan wrote: »

i really hope Wenger acts responsibly in his post match interview.

So do I, but in the heat of the moment,who knows, you do know that passions run high in football?

ErinGoBrath

Also watch when he's been put into the ambulance. Two lads at the top of the screen giving him the fingers and shouting abuse at him. Charming...

amacachi

SantryRed wrote: »

Were they not booing the red card?

ErinGoBrath wrote: »

Stoke fans have turned my stomach with their booing. And what about the 'You're f**ked and you know you are' chant when Ramsey went off?

There ya go. They're a total disgrace, and if the Arsenal fans did anything like that I'd say the same.

Mr Alan

OPENROAD wrote: »

So do I, but in the heat of the moment,who knows, you do know that passions run high in football?

Don't see Arsenal fans using that as an excuse for a tiny minority of stoke fans. The vast vast majority of stoke fans gave him a standing ovation being brought off.

amacachi

Mr Alan wrote: »

Don't see Arsenal fans using that as an excuse for a tiny minority of stoke fans. The vast vast majority of stoke fans gave him a standing ovation being brought off.

An excuse for what? "They're in shock that someone got his leg broke, so who can blame them for disgusting chants."?

Degag

No matter which teams were involved there would be the usual few "fans" acting like pure scum, so it's unfair to tarnish the stoke fans.

In fact their not acting like scum, they are scum.

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Mr Alan wrote: »

Don't see Arsenal fans using that as an excuse for a tiny minority of stoke fans. The vast vast majority of stoke fans gave him a standing ovation being brought off.

And I would agree with you to an extent personally I would never behave like that at a game no matter how pumped up I was at a game.

Don't see why you were having a go at me about Shawcross, as I said it was said in the heat of the moment, I even deleted the call for an extra ban before it was pointed out to me.

Mr Alan

as in passion runs high in football and i'm sure the stoke fans weren't aware of the severity of the injury.

amacachi

Mr Alan wrote: »

as in passion runs high in football and i'm sure the stoke fans weren't aware of the severity of the injury.

"You're ****ed and you know you are."? OK.

recylingbin

Those scumbag Stoke fans. How dare they support their club so vociferously?
The very cheek of them.

A Primal Nut

amacachi wrote: »

There ya go. They're a total disgrace, and if the Arsenal fans did anything like that I'd say the same.

The vast majority were applauding him as he went off - that was what was audible. Every team has a few assholes in the crowd but they were drowed out.

paul150

Glen whelan has to be commended for the way he acted during the incident

Dozen Wicked Words

Unpleasant chant but one of the few grounds with any atmosphere left. Certainly more than the top 3 grounds. Football fans are obnoxious in the heat of the moment.

Mr Alan

wengers comments were not on. i hope the card is rescinded and there is action taken against cesc and arsene.

Degag

recylingbin wrote: »

Those scumbag Stoke fans. How dare they support their club so vociferously?
The very cheek of them.

What some of them were doing though was not supporting their club.... more like shaming it.

A Primal Nut

Don't understand how people can say it wasn't a penalty. Handball doesn't need to be intentional to give a penalty, anymore than a tackle where the player doesn't get the ball. He had his arms out and the ball was going in a promising direction which his arm put a stop do. Definite penalty, intentional or not.

Mad_Max

From BBC Sport

More from Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger: "I am not very happy with the tackle. We know what to expect from other teams but we have now lost three players in five years to horrendous tackles. I refuse to believe it's coincidence when you're hit as many times as we are. We know teams want to be physical against Arsenal - this is the result. When you see how Aaron got injured today in the way that he did, it is not acceptable. I don't accept that. We could see the team was shocked, but we go until the end because we are strong mentally and united. We will do it for Ramsey as well because he deserves it. From a mathematical side of the game it was a good day for us. But we cannot really enjoy it."

I've only seen it in the link posted few pages back but it didn't look really malicious or deliberate. Did I see it wrong or is Wenger just being wenger again

OPENROAD

Mr Alan wrote: »

wengers comments were not on. i hope the card is rescinded and there is action taken against cesc and arsene.

I'm not sure if you are being serious or joking?

OPENROAD

Mad_Max wrote: »

From BBC Sport



I've only seen it in the link posted few pages back but it didn't look really malicious or deliberate. Did I see it wrong or is Wenger just being wenger again

Why do opposition fans always come out with this when there own managers would react in the exact same way.

ErinGoBrath

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Don't understand how people can say it wasn't a penalty. Handball doesn't need to be intentional to give a penalty, anymore than a tackle where the player doesn't get the ball. He had his arms out and the ball was going in a promising direction which is arm put a stop do. Definite penalty, intentional or not.

Found this bizarre too. I've loads of respect for Andy Gray's take on football however this was a strange one for him to disagree with.

Mr Alan

100% serious.

Royale with Cheese

Mad_Max wrote: »

From BBC Sport



I've only seen it in the link posted few pages back but it didn't look really malicious or deliberate. Did I see it wrong or is Wenger just being wenger again

I don't see what's so wrong with what he said. He said he's not happy with the tackle, he didn't say anything about it being intentional/malicious etc. He then said he doesn't think it's a coincidence that a lot of teams set out to play physical against Arsenal, and the fact they've suffered 3 very bad injuries in the past 5 years as a result of tackles in games. He's entitled to that opinion.

ErinGoBrath

Mr Alan wrote: »

as in passion runs high in football and i'm sure the stoke fans weren't aware of the severity of the injury.

He was transferred directly from the pitch into an ambulance on an oxygen supply. Doesn't take a doctor to work out it's quite severe.

SlickRic

recylingbin wrote: »

Those scumbag Stoke fans. How dare they support their club so vociferously?
The very cheek of them.

there surely has to be a line.

the same when 'Pool fans chanted at Alan Smith.

the same is the case here.

a shred of human decency has to remain. the players are human beings. when they break a leg it's f*cking serious and no laughing matter.

i'm all for passion, but passion does not naturally spill into yobbism (ha, check that out for a word!).

A Primal Nut

Mr Alan wrote: »

100% serious.

For complaining that Stoke are overly physical? How can you punish someone for that?

tony1kenobi

Mr Alan wrote: »

100% serious.

100% ARSE.

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SlickRic wrote: »

there surely has to be a line.

the same when 'Pool fans chanted at Alan Smith.

the same is the case here.

a shred of human decency has to remain. the players are human beings. when they break a leg it's f*cking serious and no laughing matter.

i'm all for passion, but passion does not naturally spill into yobbism (ha, check that out for a word!).

Spot on, very well said

Royale with Cheese

Mr Alan wrote: »

100% serious.

Where's the thumbs down button?

No player sets out to break another pros leg so Wenger got it wrong in that interview yet again

magma69

OPENROAD wrote: »

Why do opposition fans always come out with this when there own managers would react in the exact same way.

Still does not make it acceptable. It is silly and I'll condemn my own manager for the same thing. Wenger is the king of it. He is the most sour loser of them all. His selective vision and memory is laughable. Managers need to learn to suck it up instead of playing the blame game.

That "no coincidence" comment is ridiculous.

Dozen Wicked Words

rarnes1 wrote: »

No player sets out to break another pros leg so Wenger got it wrong in that interview yet again

Roy Keane apart obviously.

recylingbin

Mad_Max wrote: »

From BBC Sport



I've only seen it in the link posted few pages back but it didn't look really malicious or deliberate. Did I see it wrong or is Wenger just being wenger again

Wenger needs to pull his horns in. It was an accident. A 1 in 100 thousand thing. Arguably, Fabregas's challenge on Whelan near the end was worse.

dreamers75

So do other teams managers to get stuck into Arsenal in their team talks


disgraceful if true.

ErinGoBrath

recylingbin wrote: »

Arguably, Fabregas's challenge on Whelan near the end was worse.

Clearly not but you're entitled to your opinion.

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magma69 wrote: »

Still does not make it acceptable. It is silly and I'll condemn my own manager for the same thing. Wenger is the king of it. He is the most sour loser of them all. His selective vision and memory is laughable. Managers need to learn to suck it up instead of playing the blame game.

That "no coincidence" comment is ridiculous.

I never see people doing it though.

I think people are taken in by the media reaction to Wenger.

Always seems to me when other managers come out and stay stuff it is ignored or it is understandable.

Prisoner6409

They may not set out to break legs but some do set out to be over physical and broken legs ect can be a result of this. It's no conincedence that its Arsenal that have had 2 players in the last 3 years end up with broken legs.

A Primal Nut

rarnes1 wrote: »

No player sets out to break another pros leg so Wenger got it wrong in that interview yet again

He said they were overly physical and hence, dangerous - he never said anything about intent.

recylingbin

SlickRic wrote: »

there surely has to be a line.

the same when 'Pool fans chanted at Alan Smith.

the same is the case here.

a shred of human decency has to remain. the players are human beings. when they break a leg it's f*cking serious and no laughing matter.

i'm all for passion, but passion does not naturally spill into yobbism (ha, check that out for a word!).

No doubt. But Stoke fans had just seen their player sent off for what looked an innocuous challenge. I'm sure they didn't know how bad it was.

recylingbin

ErinGoBrath wrote: »

Clearly not but you're entitled to your opinion.

I knew I should have tagged 'in intent' onto the end of that.

Watch it again and tell me there wasn't spite in Fabregas's challenge.

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recylingbin wrote: »

No doubt. But Stoke fans had just seen their player sent off for what looked an innocuous challenge. I'm sure they didn't know how bad it was.

Have to say I disagree and having being in that situation at matches many times, I always appluad the player off when I see a stretcher.