Parts of your MA you don't like

Niall Keane

Chinese instructors only teaching forms and conditioning.

And after 4 years of hard training, I couldn't fight worth a w*nk.

No sparring, no distance training, no fighting stratagies.

I also feel that Chinese instructors dont trust their students.

My ex instructor once told me that he wouldn't teach his best and most gifted student how to properly use his art because he didn't want this student to be above his station.

-Snip-

If the Chinese continue to teach in this way, Kung Fu will become diluted.

If it hasn't already become so.

Suey71

My Tai Chi Chuan Gung Fu Instructor told me as I now tell my students:
"I'm not going to teach you to be as good as me, I'll teach you everything I know, and you'll have your own ideas too, so you should be better"

But then again the style I practice (named Practical Tai Chi chuan by Hong Kong journalists) has achieved titles on many different wrestling and full contact platforms. We test ourselves! For this reason I love what I do, and really hate the charlatans who play at being Kung Fu Masters as you described. They degrade sincere efforts!

Have a look through previous threads on this forum, and see the number of times I’ve been cross-examined re. If what I practice is tai chi chuan or “simply” Judo and Muay Thai? So we're at a stage where people generally dont believe that good Kung Fu is Kung Fu, it must be something else? I got so bored and tired of educating the misinformed, and of grannies ringing me up to cure their arthritis, that I actually renamed what I do Wudang Sanshou instead of Wudang Tai Chi Chuan. To have called it “Wudang Kung Fu” would have invited the wushu performance dancers into the mix.

Some have criticised me for this change of name, but those people have a different phone number to me , perhaps I’m acting in accordance with nature and all? Rejuvenation I guess?

Wait 100 years and watch how BJJ will be taught online, become a childcare operation, and true masters will need to know the “original Gracie Breathing techniques”. Someone will then re- name the real stuff Latin Soft Wrestling. LOL So I guess I agree with you I really hate the charlatans who have profited by degrading the Chinese Arts.

Although for a fighter, there's nothing like the responsibility to prove their effectiveness to inspire serious training! Maybe that's the secret!

Wild Geese Judo

Doug Cartel wrote: »

At the risk of turning this into a judo rules thread, I think that what annoys me most about the rule change is that I can see the need to do something about people doing those stupid, no hope, attacks to the legs just to stall out the match. I just wish they hadn't handled it this way.

Also I find the we do judo, not any of that dirty SAMBO or wrestling stuff crowd a bit tiresome, but that's really just a question of taste.

I was at an Irish Judo Association Coaching Congress recently and there was a guest speaker from France who explained the thinking behind the judo rules quite reasonably in my opinion. When judo was first introduced to the Olympics it was the only Eastern Martial art. Nowadays we have other Arts and Sports campaigning vigourously to be included and the International Judo Community are worried that as other sports are included pressure will come on some of the older sports to be dropped. If to the untrained eye Judo is just wrestling in white and blue suits then judo is in real danger of being dropped. Wrestling is one of the oldest Olympic activities and compared to wrestling Judo is just a blow-in. There are many forums now where all combat styles can be mixed in; but the Judo community are very proud of their Olympic Status and believe membership would suffer if judo was dropped. So their reaction may seem extreme but to me it is reasonable.
Most judoka are not snobbish about wrestling; quite the opposite, especially in Ireland where judo is usually confused with Karate.
Anyone who thinks that sport shouldn't dumb down just for the ignorant TV viewer may like to be reminded that TV is not only responsible for the blue judogi (suit) in judo but also for making the ping pong ball larger and the matches shorter.
BTW Doug a little bird tells me you have commented on Wild Geese Judo Club; is this true?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Wild Geese Judo wrote: »

I was at an Irish Judo Association Coaching Congress recently and there was a guest speaker from France who explained the thinking behind the judo rules quite reasonably in my opinion. When judo was first introduced to the Olympics it was the only Eastern Martial art. Nowadays we have other Arts and Sports campaigning vigourously to be included and the International Judo Community are worried that as other sports are included pressure will come on some of the older sports to be dropped. If to the untrained eye Judo is just wrestling in white and blue suits then judo is in real danger of being dropped. Wrestling is one of the oldest Olympic activities and compared to wrestling Judo is just a blow-in. There are many forums now where all combat styles can be mixed in; but the Judo community are very proud of their Olympic Status and believe membership would suffer if judo was dropped. So their reaction may seem extreme but to me it is reasonable.
Most judoka are not snobbish about wrestling; quite the opposite, especially in Ireland where judo is usually confused with Karate.
Anyone who thinks that sport shouldn't dumb down just for the ignorant TV viewer may like to be reminded that TV is not only responsible for the blue judogi (suit) in judo but also for making the ping pong ball larger and the matches shorter.
BTW Doug a little bird tells me you have commented on Wild Geese Judo Club; is this true?

Welcome aboard.

Judo on boards.ie has just taken a massive leap forward :cool:

Doug Cartel

Hi Donal.

Wild Geese Judo wrote: »

When judo was first introduced to the Olympics it was the only Eastern Martial art. Nowadays we have other Arts and Sports campaigning vigourously to be included and the International Judo Community are worried that as other sports are included pressure will come on some of the older sports to be dropped.

Yeah I know how important the Olympic recognition is, and I know how quick the IOC can be to just drop stuff. I just feel that the Olympics are a double edged sword, if you have to change too much to keep them happy then you could end up with something that's called "judo", but isn't the same thing at all. I don't mind change, but I don't like changing for the wrong reasons.

I also worry that by making a short term decision to differentiate judo from some version of wrestling with a jacket, it becomes seen as "that throwing sport with all the weird rules". Too many rules and the viewers switch off -> viewers switch off and judo gets dropped. I think the current rule changes are temporary though, what I hope is that when the trial period is over, they look back at how it's gone and come up with something a bit smoother.

I also think my opinion will change when I get a better feel for how the refs are calling things.

Most judoka are not snobbish about wrestling; quite the opposite, especially in Ireland where judo is usually confused with Karate.

No, most are not snobbish at all. I doesn't happen very often, but when somebody's response to a legitimate, but unorthodox technique is to complain about the spirit of judo, instead of learning to defend it, I find it annoying.

BTW Doug a little bird tells me you have commented on Wild Geese Judo Club; is this true?

Have I said something to incriminate myself?

Wild Geese Judo

Dear Doug, Your comments are valid and I always thought one of the strengths of judo as a sport was that almost anything went, once it was within the fairly basic rules. I also think you are right about the sport sorting itself out over time; players will evolve and common sense will hopefully prevail. I find it irritating when players in a practice session play at being referee; unless health and safety are the issue I think the session should continue; the player can then be told at the end as part of his education that a referee would probably penalise such and such in a competition.
As regards incriminating yourself, you haven't given your identity away but I think in your greeting to me you've blown my own cover! Perhaps you can send me a private message and give me your real name if the rumours are true that you have trained with me.
Keep the Faith.
Wild Geese Judo (Donal!!!??)

arybvtcw0eolkf

Wild Geese Judo wrote: »

I find it irritating when players in a practice session play at being referee; unless health and safety are the issue I think the session should continue; the player can then be told at the end as part of his education that a referee would probably penalise such and such in a competition.

Thats something I've been guilty of myself, and something I'll bear in mind in future.

Dermighty

Sid_Justice wrote: »

BJJ - internet experts. Gracie lineage fags. Expense. Lack of organisational cohesion. Belt system doesn't impress people (colour belt heavy). Heel hooks.

What do you mean?

Sid_Justice

Dermighty wrote: »

What do you mean?

a purple belt in BJJ is a fine achievment that usually requires years of training a few times weekly. but it's not a black belt. nor is it the last step before blackbelt.

just a tongue in cheek reference to people asking you what belt you are and then telling them you're on the first one (blue), which is, like being a yellow belt in judo/tkd.

Dermighty

Sid_Justice wrote: »

a purple belt in BJJ is a fine achievment that usually requires years of training a few times weekly. but it's not a black belt. nor is it the last step before blackbelt.

just a tongue in cheek reference to people asking you what belt you are and then telling them you're on the first one (blue), which is, like being a yellow belt in judo/tkd.

I totally agree.

I was actually genuinely asking what you meant, rather than a sort of sword to throat "Explain thyself!" situation.

I think belt systems are important in things like BJJ, to denote the level you should be fighting at (rather than the respect you command) and who you should be rolling with etc.

Personally, I don't have any interest in belts.

I Found Nemo

I hate the fact that I really wanna learn Krav Maga and the only place that teaches it is in Dublin and I live like a hundred miles away!

I do ITF Taekwon Do and I love it so much but in some real life situations I don't think it's very practical. Also the politics in TKD annoy me sometimes. Thats it though

arybvtcw0eolkf

People sandbagging on their green & blue belts.

And people who can't tie their belts -

EnjoyChoke

"Professors"
The guy who insists on telling you how your choking/armbaring/pinning them incorrectly, as your choking/armbaring or pinning them.

Rolling is "quiet time" talk to me after!

00MARTZ00

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

"Professors"
The guy who insists on telling you how your choking/armbaring/pinning them incorrectly, as your choking/armbaring or pinning them.

Rolling is "quiet time" talk to me after!

i have to say im guilty of that. although saying that i dont tell them its incorrect more like advising them to turn/twist or move a certain way and i think that it works better for the opponent to know when he has the lock on properly. just my opinion though.

arybvtcw0eolkf

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

"Professors"
The guy who insists on telling you how your choking/armbaring/pinning them incorrectly, as your choking/armbaring or pinning them.

Rolling is "quiet time" talk to me after!

We get 'em in Judo too.

Usually just before they're thrown they'll interupt you with some pearls of wisedom.

Or on the ground they'll be doing something mad (usually beginners) and it goes like this;

Me "Erm, WTF are you trying to do"..

Them "I seen this on the internet, it works"...

Me "Ok, carry on then".... It rarely works!.

nobbo

Hate the fact theres no judo club within an hour of where I live anymore, September cant come fast enough..

Barry.Oglesby

EnjoyChoke wrote: »

"Professors"
The guy who insists on telling you how your choking/armbaring/pinning them incorrectly, as your choking/armbaring or pinning them.

Rolling is "quiet time" talk to me after!

heard a cracker the other day. One of our lads is getting an anaconda on someone and is about to roll him. The lad says "very good, now roll me!" The guy rolls him and taps him. The other lad stands up and says "nice one. That doesn't count though cos I told you how to finish".

Oh how I laughed.

Dermighty

I Found Nemo wrote: »

I hate the fact that I really wanna learn Krav Maga and the only place that teaches it is in Dublin and I live like a hundred miles away!

I do ITF Taekwon Do and I love it so much but in some real life situations I don't think it's very practical. Also the politics in TKD annoy me sometimes. Thats it though

A possible alternative:

KFM Cork

KFM Thurles

I Found Nemo

Thanks very much, I actually really like the look of that.:)

I really loved the grading processes and stuff like that in Taekwondo, but now I just wanna focus on more self defence knowledge without the idea of grading from now on. Thank you again:)