Fight in Cruises St.

iguana

pappyodaniel wrote: »

Watching (on RTE News) the police presence up in Rossport Mayo pissed me off no end.

The Gardai continually taking verbal abuse and taunts by gangs of hippies and not doing anything about it. They were about as effective as GAA umpires.

There's nothing more satisfying than the sound of a baton off a smug-self-righteous crusty.

There is a huge difference between people exercising their constitutional right of protest and criminals fighting on the streets. If the Gardaí attack protesters they can be and have been prosecuted for their actions as they would be breaking quite a few laws. The people at protests will include campaigners, solicitors and journalists who are far more aware of the law than your average garda, and quite clearly, you.

Equating people who are, rightly or wrongly, standing up for what they believe to be the greater good is so far removed from scumbags making trouble so they can feel like big men is beyond stupid. It's comments like this which are partly responsible for the state of policing in Ireland.

krudler

Firefox11 wrote: »

I totally agree. You see Police Forces in other countries and the is an air of authority you simply don't get from your average Guarda. Maybe its the uniform or more than likely it's their side-arm.

Thats a good point, lets compare:

Irish:





American:


Iranian female police :eek:


Can you imagine some mouthy 12 year old knacker giving grief to one of them? not a chance, but over here the guards are seen with nothing but contempt, we should have a private police force like the Guardia Civil in Spain, those guys dont think anything about busting some heads if needs be. Here at least we have the ERU but can you imagine if someone decided to start shooting up some quiet place in Ireland? the guards would have.....sticks, whereas any criminal can get an Ak-47 or something if they felt like it.

On a side note, why cant our female guards have uniforms that fit? they all have massive baggy shirts and trousers, at least other police forces have specifically tailored uniforms for the women officers and they look a lot more authorotive than our ones do, who look like they've gone to a fancy dress in their dads uniform

zuroph

iguana wrote: »

There is a huge difference between people exercising their constitutional right of protest and criminals fighting on the streets. If the Gardaí attack protesters they can be and have been prosecuted for their actions as they would be breaking quite a few laws. The people at protests will include campaigners, solicitors and journalists who are far more aware of the law than your average garda, and quite clearly, you.

Equating people who are, rightly or wrongly, standing up for what they believe to be the greater good is so far removed from scumbags making trouble so they can feel like big men is beyond stupid. It's comments like this which are partly responsible for the state of policing in Ireland.

that one who rolled the car at the barrier, or the one who heckled about the garda crushed by a joyrider are scumbags though.

source

krudler wrote: »

Thats a good point, lets compare:

Irish:





American:


Iranian female police :eek:


Can you imagine some mouthy 12 year old knacker giving grief to one of them? not a chance, but over here the guards are seen with nothing but contempt, we should have a private police force like the Guardia Civil in Spain, those guys dont think anything about busting some heads if needs be. Here at least we have the ERU but can you imagine if someone decided to start shooting up some quiet place in Ireland? the guards would have.....sticks, whereas any criminal can get an Ak-47 or something if they felt like it.

On a side note, why cant our female guards have uniforms that fit? they all have massive baggy shirts and trousers, at least other police forces have specifically tailored uniforms for the women officers and they look a lot more authorotive than our ones do, who look like they've gone to a fancy dress in their dads uniform

Those NYPD uniforms are ESU which is the NYPD equivalent of our ERU/RSU.

Actual NYPD uniform: (not too far off the Garda uniform apart from the gun)


Garda RSU: (don't know many gougers willing to mess with them)

krudler

Exactly, cos they have guns and a cool uniform that kinda makes them look like Team America

RonMexico

This is how Spanish Police deal with junkie scumbags who terrorise innocent people.:D

iguana

zuroph wrote: »

that one who rolled the car at the barrier, or the one who heckled about the garda crushed by a joyrider are scumbags though.

There is no doubt that protests can attract scum of all sorts too. I've certainly met people involved in campaigns who are involved for all the wrong reasons, iykwim. But that just means the Gardaí need to take even more care in their response. If they go in and start bashing heads they are breaking the law.

krudler wrote: »

Exactly, cos they have guns and a cool uniform that kinda makes them look like Team America

Your images were pretty subjective though. You chose a picture of non-standard American police, pictures of similar units in the Gardaí don't look that different.

krudler

meanwhile in Ireland

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krudler wrote: »

meanwhile in Ireland

The reason you see scenes like this is because Ireland has gone so PC that Gardai can't be seen to be too aggressive, if a Garda is aggressive in the way he deals with a suspect then you can be sure there will be complaints and the possibility of the case being thrown out of court, better to get the conviction. Also when Gardai arrest people they're brought into court where the judge lets them back out. These people have no fear of reprisals through the justice system. Because they feel there are no consequences they tend to act as they please.

zuroph

iguana wrote: »

There is no doubt that protests can attract scum of all sorts too.

That woman was local though wasnt she?

dr.fuzzenstein

Well, just like everything the Polish can do it cheaper, better, faster and more effective:

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dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, just like everything the Polish can do it cheaper, better, faster and more effective:

Saying that is all well and good, but if that was to happen here, there would be public outcry from the bleeding heart liberals and tribunals being set up to beat the band.

Raiser

Peaceful protests are, or at least should be, about Civil liberties, right and wrong and People standing up for Justice and their beliefs.

People throwing missiles and debris at the Police in my opinion usually care more about appearing to be Social neo-Warriors, the length and quality of their dreadlocks and how classically revolutionary they look in front of their Mates before they all go back to camp and share 2 litre bottles of Cider around a campfire until 4am because nobody has work in the morning as a career choice......

- In all fairness a crack in the face from a baton is probably therapeutic to anyone stupid enough to pester, bait and provoke another Citizen as they try and get on with their job just cause you heard down the Pub it was in opposition to some crappy, inflated, distorted or nonsensical ideal.....

The Shell scenario was a little troubling though in fairness - Irish Cops collecting overtime payments approaching the States average industrial wage to allow Global Petrochemical Entities to exploit our failure to exploit our own natural resources while feeding the State, Police and Public what ever lies and tall tales they thought were passable for that particular mornings newspapers.

Finally - Do People really want our Gardaí out getting hyper aggressive on People in the heat of the moment, in an instant, on instinct, in a reactionary, predatory way?????

- Yeah, that notion is certainly the fruit of balanced, well reasoned thought........

Tango Alpha 51

krudler wrote: »

This was on a Saturday night as well, why not get a coffee and park on O'Connell st somewhere and drink it? plenty of people who work in offices take coffee breaks while still sitting at their desk, same thing.
Look at the amount of fights and arguments that would be reduced, as well as the standard drunken messing that goes out in the Supermacs area of O'Connell st if a car or wagon was assigned to either just do laps of the street for the hour when nightclubs kick out or just park up somewhere and remain visible. but no, unless theres a massive fight the guards are nowhere to be seen on weekend nights

What a load of ****e. The reason ourselves & the guards have breaks down at the station & not up in O'Connell street is that unlike office workers, if we park up publicy, then we usually get idiots/drunks etc annoying us whilst we try & have a break.

concussion

buzzman wrote: »

if we park up publicy, then we usually get idiots/drunks etc annoying us whilst we try & have a break.

Standby for some smart-arse to say that those idiots/drunks could be trying to report a crime :rolleyes:

dr.fuzzenstein

krudler

buzzman wrote: »

What a load of ****e. The reason ourselves & the guards have breaks down at the station & not up in O'Connell street is that unlike office workers, if we park up publicy, then we usually get idiots/drunks etc annoying us whilst we try & have a break.

Boo-hoo, guards are public servants, its their job to be available to people,doesnt matter if its someone asking for directions or reporting that they just saw someone kill 12 pople on Cruises St, if you're a guard and dont like the public you're in the wrong line of work.

concussion

He did say 'annoying them' not 'looking for assistance in some manner'.



Gardaí go back to Station for break - there's no-one to cover them
Gardaí sit in a car eating their lunch on the street - 'look at those fat lazy bastards'
Gardaí sit in their cars eating lunch at a petrol station - see above.

They just can't win apparantly.

flutered

concussion wrote: »

He did say 'annoying them' not 'looking for assistance in some manner'.



Gardaí go back to Station for break - there's no-one to cover them
Gardaí sit in a car eating their lunch on the street - 'look at those fat lazy bastards'
Gardaí sit in their cars eating lunch at a petrol station - see above.

They just can't win apparantly.

if joe soap and john citizen start a fued they end up in jail, if the knackers start a fued the super neogiates with them to end it, and they wonder of the publics perception of them.

Tango Alpha 51

krudler wrote: »

Boo-hoo, guards are public servants, its their job to be available to people,doesnt matter if its someone asking for directions or reporting that they just saw someone kill 12 pople on Cruises St, if you're a guard and dont like the public you're in the wrong line of work.

So just because ags / paramedics are public servants, their supposed to be available to people at all times. We're not robots & do require breaks/food etc. Grow up!!!

PeteSanchez

Was out in the crescent at the weekend. Parked up near Heatons. Saw a fella getting out of a car drinking a can. He was the driver. Looked like Bud. He literally fell out of the car. I waited till he was gone in, and rang the cops. I had checked in the mean time to be sure it was lager. Sure enough an open can of Bud in the cup holder.
Gave them the reg number and said what i had seen. So i waited parked outside heatons.
They arrived a few minutes later, found his car and looked inside. Then they drive out to the exit across from the Library, and waited there. For him i assume.
they waited about 15 minutes. Got bored, and took off. Sure enough less than a minute later out he comes, falls into his car and off he goes.

Well done lads. Well done.

Tango Alpha 51

What would you rather they do. Sit outside & wait for him all day ??????. Do you actually know how many cars on available to patrol Limerick on a daily basis?. You'd be surprised.

Raiser

PeteSanchez wrote: »

Was out in the crescent at the weekend. Parked up near Heatons. Saw a fella getting out of a car drinking a can. He was the driver. Looked like Bud. He literally fell out of the car. I waited till he was gone in, and rang the cops. I had checked in the mean time to be sure it was lager. Sure enough an open can of Bud in the cup holder.
Gave them the reg number and said what i had seen. So i waited parked outside heatons.
They arrived a few minutes later, found his car and looked inside. Then they drive out to the exit across from the Library, and waited there. For him i assume.
they waited about 15 minutes. Got bored, and took off. Sure enough less than a minute later out he comes, falls into his car and off he goes.

Well done lads. Well done.

buzzman wrote: »

What would you rather they do. Sit outside & wait for him all day ??????. Do you actually know how many cars on available to patrol Limerick on a daily basis?. You'd be surprised.

That's not good enough, there's enough People killed, maimed and disfigured in this Country by drunk Drivers without leaving the easy arrests off scott free for no good reason???

- No, no I wouldn't be surprised.

concussion

How do you know there was no good reason for them to leave? You have no way of knowing if they had an another call to attend. Fair play to Pete for calling them and hanging around but you can't expect the Gardaí to stay there until the shopping centre closed.

Tango Alpha 51

Roxboro alot of the time only has 1 car available for work. Henry St might have 4, Mayorstone might have 2. Not a hell of a lot of vehicles to cover the size of the area. And Im only talking about patrol cars here. It's like when people drive past the ambulance headquarters in Dooradoyle & think that since there is up to 15ambulances parked in the grounds, that their all on duty!!

Raiser,
I do agree with you up to a point that it's not good enough that a drunk driver got away scott free, but where do you draw the line at the number of gardai working a shift on a daily basis.

Kess73

buzzman wrote: »

What would you rather they do. Sit outside & wait for him all day ??????. Do you actually know how many cars on available to patrol Limerick on a daily basis?. You'd be surprised.

What could they do? One of them could go inside and get centre management to page the owner of the car with the reg over the centre intercom system. Would have been better than wasting their time sitting there for 15 minutes in the hope the owner came out.

Tango Alpha 51

Have you ever seen anyone go back to their car when paged on that system. We were on a call down there one day, got blocked in by a car. Gaurds were there as well. Got security to put an announcement over the pa system. No one came back. Even when they test the fire alarm system asking people to evacuate the S/C, no one pays any heed !!.

concussion

Good idea but it wouldn't achieve anything except a charge for being drunk (if he was over the limit) in a public place. They didn't observe him driving while over the legal limit and it would come down to his word against Petes. If found to be over the limit after coming back out he could say he drank a few cans inside the shopping centre.

The only way to charge him with drink driving would be to observe him driving the car (although I believe people have been charged while parked with the engine running) before stopping and testing him.

They have his details, no doubt they will call him and tell him that he had been observed drinking in a car and that there was an open container of alcohol. It's the most that can be done without mounting a sting operation for someone who may well be under the limit when they return, at the expense of ignoring other calls.

Kess73

buzzman wrote: »

Roxboro alot of the time only has 1 car available for work. Henry St might have 4, Mayorstone might have 2. Not a hell of a lot of vehicles to cover the size of the area. And Im only talking about patrol cars here. It's like when people drive past the ambulance headquarters in Dooradoyle & think that since there is up to 15ambulances parked in the grounds, that their all on duty!!

Raiser,
I do agree with you up to a point that it's not good enough that a drunk driver got away scott free, but where do you draw the line at the number of gardai working a shift on a daily basis.

The thing is that some of the local gardai give the hard working ones a very bad name.

Where my mother lives, they have been having a lot of trouble with anti social behaviour. House and car windows being smashed on a regular basis, kids throwing rocks at houses and standing their ground when the house owner opens the door etc.

The gardai were called on numerous occasions, especially when the guys who broke windows were still standing there. No Gardai would arrive. Then the next day they had one turning up to look at the damage, and his advice was not to call the Gardai and to just let the insurance cover it.

The same scum get to pass the houses everyday, get to throw what they like when they like, and the only help a pensioner can get is a wannabe cop telling her to use her house insurance.

From what I can see the younger generation of Gardai are pretty much a waste of uniform, when compared to some of the older ones around.

And complaining to the Garda Ombudsman is a complete waste of time, all that seems to do is draw friends of that Garda onto you with loads of checks on your car to make sure you have insurance and the like.


Funny how there is always a Garda car on duty to pick up the Ban Gardai renting nearby to me in Dooradoyle when they are heading out to a club and to drop them home at night.

Raiser

Limerick - Where the odds of being arrested for burglary, theft, assault, arson, rape, murder, drink driving, public order offences, drug dealing are practically nil.

- Drive for more than a week or two without your tax in date or over the speed limit and you're history.....

I spent some time in Germany and saw a City about the size of Dublin Policed excellently.

Regular Patrols means more than the actual walkabout - it means Scumbags aren't comfortable owning the streets like they are now around Limerick.

Theres another thread on here detailing how time and time again People called 999 without having the Gardaí show up at all?

- Thats indefensible.......