jeering in the s.u. common room?

dragonheart

ULstudent wrote: »

2. Throw yourself into the 'scene' so to speak - whatever your secne is. Check here http://www.clubsandsocs.ul.ie/frontend.php?p=clubssocs

its a list of ULs clubs and soc. pop along to one that interests you. Members are friendly and you will make new friends. It's the easiest way to do so. Dont go through the next 3 years without doing so. I know the idea can be intimidating but after that initial meetin, you will be glad you went. Trust me

heya thanks but the one only thing i would be apprehensive about is IF it is these soc people are doing the bullying/slagging/whatever, as has been suggested, would approaching their group not just make it a whole lot worse?? the last thing i want is to be covered in spitballs by them like i saw happen to one girl, who just pretended it wasnt happening!!:(

danlen

dragonheart wrote: »

would approaching their group not just make it a whole lot worse?? the last thing i want is to be covered in spitballs by them like i saw happen to one girl, who just pretended it wasnt happening!!:(

this whole thread is a joke, right?

dragonheart

danlen wrote: »

this whole thread is a joke, right?

Ya danlen, good to see you find it funny{sarcastic}. its not too funny tho for people on the recieving end.

Raving

Hi Dragonheart,

I'm also one of the members of the "Gsoc and Anime Soc" group mentioned above. Firstly I would like to assume that it is not our group who has being bullying you but rather the group at the other side of the common room. Both groups tend to use laptops and I will admit as a fact that there is a couple in that group that tend to eat each others faces off. I do believe that if you feel you are being bullied people do report it but if you could I would like you to explain fully, like where the group was sitting in the common room and such.

As for the food throwing incident I'm not sure but I do believe that I was actually there that day and I can saftly say if it is the time I believe it was that it was, in fact, the other group of people as we also had food thrown at us by them (if I remember correctly it was a bit of a roll thrown in my hair! X-x). I'm sorry that you have been disuaded from using the common room and that you have had such a bad experience of it. As to reporting this group I would advice it but once again please do actuall describe it in full rather than vaguely. Our 'group' in the common room is known amung some of the su staff and I would hate for them to be wrongly accused of anything. Once again our own group would be quite happy to meet you if it would help sort out this whole thing. The last thing we would do would be to scare you off.

I am the current president for the Anime and Manga Society and if it was one of our members who did this to you I apologise with all of our heart. We are often reffered to in our group as the nerd circle and many of us (if not all) have been bullied before in our lives. This is why I do not believe it was our group. However once again if it was our group I would like to apologise to you on behalf of us.

dragonheart

Raving wrote: »

Hi Dragonheart,

I would like you to explain fully, like where the group was sitting in the common room and such.

As for the food throwing incident I'm not sure but I do believe that I was actually there that day QUOTE]

the group in particular usually sit on the left half of the room if i was to enter by the main entrance. the day i got "lunch served" as they called it,was last thursday by about 3 guys...one particularly hairy. the time i nearly had my pants pulled down was nearly a week ago by a much smaller,greasy lookin guy. any idea?

Raving

If they were sitting at the left half of the room when you go through the normal doors and not the fire exit I can guarantee this was not our group. We always (and I mean always XD) sit near the fire exit door and the pool room.

I think I may know of the people you're talking about but I believe this may have been the second "lunching" they had done. It seems they may have made a habit of it then. I've had it happen to me once before but I don't think it was the same day it happened to you. As for the hairy guy, blond coloured hair?

Jikashi

dragonheart wrote: »

the group in particular usually sit on the left half of the room if i was to enter by the main entrance.

from that i can tell you that it is in fact NOT our group made up primarily of Gsoc and Anime Soc members.

the group you refer to are indeed quite loud and annoying. But if you go ahead and report them, please make sure that the SU crew know you are not referring to us, as they know us (because of regularity, not notoriety) and i don't want them getting the wrong end of the stick and getting the wrong group in trouble with the building.

as for any consequence to reporting them, i can vouch for the sabbat officers' discretion. you'll be fine on that score

sceptre

It wouldn't be the g-soc. Put that out of your heads. I haven't been in the common room in quite a long time for various reasons but if they didn't take up a bit of space you'd hardly notice the g-soc/anime crowd. Friendly and non-idiotic. As it happens I know some of them and would probably be known by more of them but I know them because they're non-idiotic and mostly friendly. Assuming I'm less sickly, more bouncy and back out to UL soon, I will most likely be eating lunch again in the common room, despite the TV noise with different channels from different directions, as it's a convenient spot for it.

Half the people in the room tend to have laptops on the go, so put bluntly it could be any of them. A small chunk of the people I've seen in there are idiotic monkeys anyway, people who can't find bins and must be throwing bits of chicken at each other as that's likely how it ends up on the floor. That's not a specific UL student problem or even an Irish person problem, some people are just disgusting pigs who not only believe themselves to be the centre of their own universe but are pretty darned sure that they're the centre of the universe. Assume that some day they'll step out in front of a large truck. They probably will. People that can't place things in a bin next to their table can't be expected to remember the high-brow intricacies of safely crossing the road[1].

Being specific. There are cameras operating in the common room. Jeering may not be that obvious but idiots flinging food are clearly identifiable on camera. Someone deciding to pull down your trousers is committing assault as well as acting like a six year old. And clearly identifiable on camera. If issues like that occur, walk downstairs and either say it to one of the SU officers or say it at reception. Both or either will take such a complaint seriously. And there will be video evidence to throw the idiots out of the building, put them in front of the disiplinary committee or whatever the appropriate action may be. Incidentally, while I would expect the complaint to be taken seriously, don't expect them to go instantly marching upstairs to "take care" of the situatoin - they're not bouncers. Unfortunately wherever you go you will meet people who act tough as nails in a group and act like a swan does with a group of pens, typically in a mob mentality or compensating for their own penile inadequacy. However, there's no reason you should feel as though you have to put up with that kind of behaviour when there are avenues for it to be taken care of.

Nuff said. Go tell someone about it.

[1] Yes, I am aware that in an ironic death, I will now meet a sticky end in a death by taxi incident.

Vortigaunt

Great post, sceptre.

Even just a little reminder that pantsing will be dealt with in the form of a sign or something might warn those idiots.

“Pantsing is Ass-ault” or something.

(i know, i know, its cheesy. Just an idea)

WinterBlizzard

As a member of both Games Society and Anime/Manga Society reading this somewhat annoyed me.

dragonheart wrote: »

do they have to hang around in such large numbers??

Well, it's people from a society all hanging out in the one spot. Of course there'll be a lot. Where would you like us to go instead? It's not like we've a lot of options. Sorry for having active members!

dragonheart wrote: »

as i said i could be very wrong but wouldnt really know how to distuinguish the different gangs!

Being referred to as being in a "gang" offends me greatly. Neither myself nor my friends would do anything that idiotic or pointless to someone we don't know. You're almost making it out to be some sort of turf war here.

dragonheart wrote: »

prittykitty wrote: »

why not consider joining the anime and manga society, or the games society who have dominated the common room 4 "donkeys years"!!?xxxx

theyd probably make me bully others tho in exchange for letting me be with them..and i wouldnt like to put sum 1 else through it? what are these rulers like?

See here you blatantly label us as bullies without an awful lot of proof. Which we're not. The thought of this is utterly ridiculous!

dragonheart wrote: »

thanks for being genuine and your tips,but from what ive seen my class rep only seems interested in getting "lushed".....also not sure how true this is but heard su are useless and dont even care about racism (from a thread i read)....?

Yeah, a lot of class reps are like that, best bet is to go straight to an SU Officer. More chance of at least something being resolved.

danlen wrote: »

this whole thread is a joke, right?

I hope so lol

TL;DR version:
Jikashi and IchigoFork are right, Gsoc and Anime/Manga Soc wouldn't do this, we're not a bunch of juvenile twats.

Thomas20

The only time i went there was with friends. Never went again. Doesn't have a good vibe. Not a place i would go on my own.

IchigoFork

dragonheart wrote: »

itchigofork

Please, it's not itchigofork as in itchy, it's IchigoFork as in Ichigo, the Japanese for strawberry. Ichigo is also the main character in a popular anime "Bleach", where the name's translation is broken into 2 parts. Ichi = 1 and go = protector.

That's as an aside, the main point of this post was:
I understand bullying might have been a large looming thing at somepoint in your past. But honestly, with college being so populated, groups of bullies picking on the same person or groups of people repeatedly is not likely as it may have been in a secondary school. You're not being hunted

Most of the incidents you've described seem random. I do not think that they are targeting you, honestly. I think they were probably just chucking food/blowing spitballs at whoever was in the room at the time (Raving is testement to this). And as for pantsing.. Are you sure they were trying to pull your pants down and that it wasn't just an innocent gesture you may have misinterpreted because of fear? This would be espescially relevent if you have heard terror stories about the common room, as it appears you have.

The groups that are doing this are in the wrong, and need to be stopped. But you are not being targeted by them. And honestly, I wouldn't call throwing food in random peoples' hair as I know it to happen in the common room bullying. I'd call it acting the eijot. However in other circumstances my stance would be different. Don't get too bent out of shape about it, it's not just you.

And if something like being spitballed or pantsed happened to you, would it honestly be the end of the world? I'd feel more pity than mocking for anyone who that happened to. And so would everyone else.

Please, think on the things I've said before jumping to defensive behavior.

IchigoFork


Ps. What I was saying in my last post was to demonstrate how unlikely that the people you are talking about were not us. I was not of the opinion that you thought we were definetly to blame, I was just setting the record straight. Wrong information had been spread about.

ninty9er

Easy solution. Give me times and dates and I'll ask the Sec General to check CCTV. The offenders can then be banned from the room if this is confirmed.

Simples:D

razzlero

I'm not going to tell you how to feel, but I don't you to miss out on making friends because of a misunderstanding.


I'm sorry that some people replying to you sound kind of aagressive but they're just defending themselfes. We are nice people really. If the other group bothers you we can stand up for you.


If you want to make friends join a society related to something you inteerested in (However I will warn you that some societies are just excuses to drinking, but both Games society and Anime society have a very high amount of non-alcoholics or people who rarely drink)

BUt here's just some food for thought.

When I first came to college I was a complete social retard. I made what I considered to be friends, but I knew I had nothing in common with them and hated being around people who just drank and found hurtig each other funny.
The best thing that ever happened to me was joining the Games society where I made some of the best friends I ever had.

Eventually after a lot of thought I wanted to do the same to bring people who liked anime together. That's because fans of Anime just like games often never get a chance to meet and befriend each other otehrwise because they often tend not to go out. So I founded the Anime and Manga Society. I put an overwhwlming amount of my time into creating something so people could make friends with common interests.

But aswell as that, becasue of all my involvement with societies I've become a lot better at dealing with people.


And to finish can you imagine people who watch stuff like this being bad? ^^

dragonheart

WinterBlizzard wrote: »

As a member of both Games Society and Anime/Manga Society reading this somewhat annoyed me.


Well, it's people from a society all hanging out in the one spot. Of course there'll be a lot. Where would you like us to go instead? It's not like we've a lot of options. Sorry for having active members!


Being referred to as being in a "gang" offends me greatly. Neither myself nor my friends would do anything that idiotic or pointless to someone we don't know. You're almost making it out to be some sort of turf war here.




See here you blatantly label us as bullies without an awful lot of proof. Which we're not. The thought of this is utterly ridiculous!

Ya well im sorry for getting in the way of peoples food! i didnt exactly ask for it. and it was other people that were calling themselves a gang. and imo, it is like bloody gang arfare upthere...with all that goes on. also dont think i ever said " soc/ anime are bullies"....?

dragonheart

razzlero wrote: »

I'm not going to tell you how to feel, but I don't you to miss out on making friends because of a misunderstanding.


I'm sorry that some people replying to you sound kind of aagressive but they're just defending themselfes. We are nice people really. If the other group bothers you we can stand up for you.


If you want to make friends join a society related to something you inteerested in (However I will warn you that some societies are just excuses to drinking, but both Games society and Anime society have a very high amount of non-alcoholics or people who rarely drink)

BUt here's just some food for thought.

When I first came to college I was a complete social retard. I made what I considered to be friends, but I knew I had nothing in common with them and hated being around people who just drank and found hurtig each other funny.
The best thing that ever happened to me was joining the Games society where I made some of the best friends I ever had.

Eventually after a lot of thought I wanted to do the same to bring people who liked anime together. That's because fans of Anime just like games often never get a chance to meet and befriend each other otehrwise because they often tend not to go out. So I founded the Anime and Manga Society. I put an overwhwlming amount of my time into creating something so people could make friends with common interests.

But aswell as that, becasue of all my involvement with societies I've become a lot better at dealing with people.


And to finish can you imagine people who watch stuff like this being bad? ^^

cheers razzlero, you seem a kind individual and thanks for the advice. ya certain individuals are coming across aggressively, or maybe im getting the wrong impression.

sceptre

ninty9er wrote: »

Easy solution. Give me times and dates and I'll ask the Sec General to check CCTV. The offenders can then be banned from the room if this is confirmed.

Simples:D

I'll cite the above as one of the few times when complaining on the Internet rather than directly actually makes a difference:) Kudos Derek.

WinterBlizzard

dragonheart wrote: »

Ya well im sorry for getting in the way of peoples food! i didnt exactly ask for it. and it was other people that were calling themselves a gang. and imo, it is like bloody gang arfare upthere...with all that goes on. also dont think i ever said " soc/ anime are bullies"....?

Did you even read my post? I never said it was your fault you got hit by food. It's certainly a regrettable thing that happened. You called us a "gang", which we're not, which I clearly quoted you saying in my previous post.

What do you mean it's like gang warfare? What goings on do you mean? The Gsoc/Anime soc group don't even talk to the other groups in the common room. We keep to ourselves because that's how we are. There is no "gang war" in the common room.

I also clearly quoted where you were asked to join anime soc and you replied with "they'll make me bully other people". That's calling us bullies. I'm not being overly aggressive from my point of view, you just don't seem to be listening. I thought we had it clarified at this stage that it wasn't Gsoc/Anime soc but the other large group which frequents the common room.

As far as I'm concerned the issue should be resolved, many possible solutions have been posted, but that doesn't take away the fact you wrongly called a group which I would call a good number my friends "bullies" and a "gang" and have not yet apologised for the wrongdoing.

The Don

I think that you should chill out too WinterBlizzard. Being aggressive isn't going to do the g soc / Anime soc any good. you have made valid points and I think that dragonheart knows by now that it wasn't you that is at fault.

Regards dragonheart not joining your societies, I think that the bully answer was earlier in the thread when it wasn't clear that the g soc/Anime soc was innocent. Anyway, maybe dragonheart isn't interested in games or anime.

sceptre

Christ, calm down. WinterBlizzard in particular but also dragonheart. Betwen the two of you, you're adding more heat than light to a subdiscussion which was settled on the previous page. Knock it off (that's a polite instruction, not a request, by the way). It's been made clear more than once that the gsoc/A&M soc weren't the guilty parties and that it was someone else so it makes sense not to drag it up again like some big fingerpointing inquest or start demanding apologies from victims. Don't make me come out there and start throwing chicken bones at you.:)

/mod

TheSpecialOne

i just cannot take this seriously ...is dragonheart for real?!

sceptre

TheSpecialOne wrote: »

i just cannot take this seriously ...is dragonheart for real?!

<sigh>

If you have suspicions of non-realness, you can always report it. For the purposes of the discussion, you can assume that it's real. A reasonable complaint reasonably made should always be treated reasonably.

I think we're done here, the last few replies have added nothing. Unless someone especially wants it unlocked for a specific reason, this is locked.

As Derek said, contact him in the Welfare Office with details and he'll take care of anything that needs to be taken care of and thanks for that. Peace out, y'all.