Integrity in Electronic Music.

Executive Steve

El Pr0n wrote: »

What does everyone think of people who make their own music from rakes of samples, like DJ Shadow or The Avalanches?

Pretty much the bulk of my record collection is sample-based music, be it Jungle, Garage or Hip Hop...

Is mise le key

Hypertic wrote: »

the reason why so many people will never progress beyond playing other peoples tracks is because making music is what dictates how much musical talent you really have.

AkbarTheGreat wrote: »

Agreed. To me the DJ should always be the fat, bald bloke in the corner gawking at your missus arse, not the main attraction.

One thing i always liked about the ASYLUM & SIDES was that the DJ's were out of sight completley & the whole buzz revolved around the tunes & crowd interacting with each other..........here is a post from ages back from one of the best DJ's from the past in Dublin that played in both......

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53765934&postcount=1699

Executive Steve

Is mise le key wrote: »

One thing i always liked about the ASYLUM & SIDES was that the DJ's were out of sight completley & the whole buzz revolved around the tunes & crowd interacting with each other..........here is a post from ages back from one of the best DJ's from the past in Dublin that played in both......

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53765934&postcount=1699

Yeah, but that doesn't exactly keep you in coke and blowjobs does it?

Is mise le key

Executive Steve wrote: »

Yeah, but that doesn't exactly keep you in coke and blowjobs does it?

Two answers to that :rolleyes: possible,

1. LMFAO

2. You obviously missed the point of the whole Rave experience so

Which do you think i am considering??????:D

jimi_t2

Is mise le key wrote: »

One thing i always liked about the ASYLUM & SIDES was that the DJ's were out of sight completley & the whole buzz revolved around the tunes & crowd interacting with each other..........here is a post from ages back from one of the best DJ's from the past in Dublin that played in both......

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=53765934&postcount=1699

FFS. I presume these are the same denizens of hardcore that failed to fill Buck Whaleys a couple months back for the 'reunion' night.

People have been applauding the medium of the DJ as a construct in itself as far back as late 80s Ibiza and the early days of the Hacienda

Tony Wilson wrote:

And tonight something equally epoch-making is taking place. See? They're applauding the DJ. Not the music, not the musician, not the creator, but the medium. This is it. The birth of rave culture. The beatification of the beat. The dance age. This is the moment when even the white man starts dancing. Welcome to Manchester.

This is one of the plethora of problems with the legacy of the Asylum/Sides/Ormonde and goes a long way toward explaining how the attitudes of both Irish promoters and punters are so bloody backward even today.

Two pages back people are ranting about why we don't idolise the home-grown heroes, but next we have some punter saying that in the 'golden era' of electronic music in Dublin everyone was ignoring the DJ. This is complete bollacks and quoting some geriatric DJ from Finglas who never quite broke out of the Dublin scene and now spends his time on internet forums reminiscing about the 'good old days' isn't going to persuade me otherwise.

electrogrimey

Everyone knows a DJ's list of priorities.

1. Coke
2. Blowjobs
3. Going home with the 15 year old at the front
4. Getting a second free bottle of vodka from the venue
5. Pleasing the crowd
6. Musical integrity

In that order.

Is mise le key

jimi_t2 wrote: »

Two pages back people are ranting about why we don't idolise the home-grown heroes, but next we have some punter saying that in the 'golden era' of electronic music in Dublin everyone was ignoring the DJ. This is complete bollacks and quoting some geriatric DJ from Finglas who never quite broke out of the Dublin scene and now spends his time on internet forums reminiscing about the 'good old days' isn't going to persuade me otherwise.

Yaawwwnnnn.......

electrogrimey wrote: »

Everyone knows a DJ's list of priorities.

1. Coke
2. Blowjobs
3. Going home with the 15 year old at the front
4. Getting a second free bottle of vodka from the venue
5. Pleasing the crowd
6. Musical integrity

In that order.

Well then priorities have changed because.....

1. Coke - Isnt part of the equasion in a decent Rave.
2. Blowjobs - Are not what you will be thinking about if you have three decent E's & a couple of microdots & the Rave does not shut till 8 AM
3. Going Home......- There is no going home after a Rave for at least 48 hours
4. Getting a second bottle.......- No respectful rave would have vodka for sale
5. Pleasing the crowd - First port of call & what its all about
6. Musical integrity - Completley irrellevant in a Rave......leave that to the people in studios creating the tunes & keep the Raves for the thumping sounds simply being euphorically enjoyed.......

If you have on your mind whether or not the integrity of the music is being respected in a Rave you either dont get it or the Rave is sh.it!!!!!!

It aint what it used to be;)

billybigunz

It's all about cocaine laced bjs off teens, get with the program.

jimi_t2

Is mise le key wrote: »

Yaawwwnnnn.......

I'm just going to emphasise this with a beauty from another thread...

Is mise le key wrote:

Sorry bout that but i have to say i was never to fussed about how good the mixing was by any DJ........as long as the tunes were bangin & the Narcs were strong & plentiful i was in bliss.........you have to ask yerself are you going there for the mmixing in between each tune or to hear the tunes???

And bow out from the troll wars

Is mise le key

billybigunz wrote: »

It's all about cocaine laced bjs off teens, get with the program.

Ye ye ye.........Cocaine was & is sh.ite that is only consumed by dipsh.its that love looking at themselves in the mirror........hence we have endless amounts of Clubs full of self obsessed poser knobs:D

Is mise le key

jimi_t2 wrote: »

I'm just going to emphasise this with a beauty from another thread...



And bow out from the troll wars

Thanks thats exactly my point.......its not about mixing or DJ's........its all about the tunes & the drugs.......is that not what i have been saying all along & what was said in the post i referenced also.....

Ah no, always aim to please the punters as much as possible, they are what it's really all about at the end of the day not the DJs. The DJs are but servants who deliver the real gift which is the music.

billybigunz

Spot the guy who can't score a bj in a club or afford some coke.

Is mise le key

billybigunz wrote: »

Spot the guy who can't score a bj in a club or afford some coke.

Please just let us know where it is you get your kicks so i can give it a wide birth..........i would say it has lots of mirrors in it with air conditioning so you dont break a sweat & can admire your self all night.

billybigunz

No need, you wouldn't be let in.

Is mise le key

billybigunz wrote: »

No need, you wouldn't be let in.

Ahh yes the bouncers are just as egotistical as the punters & coked up on the door........mates of your are they:D:D:D

jtsuited

billybigunz for mod!!

billybigunz

Is mise le key wrote: »

Ahh yes the bouncers are just as egotistical as the punters & coked up on the door........mates of your are they:D:D:D

Mates with staff? Hardly. I spend well and that opens a lot of doors.

Herbal Deity

Is mise le key

billybigunz wrote: »

Mates with staff? Hardly. I spend well and that opens a lot of doors.

So you need money to have a good time??

That also implies that the club you would grace with your presence are not interested really in the tunes but in the money!!!!!

Herbal Deity

billybigunz

Is mise le key wrote: »

So you need money to have a good time??

That also implies that the club you would grace with your presence are not interested really in the tunes but in the money!!!!!

You get off on sweating away in dives, I get off with assets models. Let's leave it at that.

Is mise le key

billybigunz wrote: »

You get off on sweating away in dives, I get off with assets models. Let's leave it at that.

OK if you want to........but i have to note,

You never mentioned anything about music being part of your nights out chief;)

billybigunz

Is mise le key wrote: »

OK if you want to........but i have to note,

You never mentioned anything about music being part of your nights out chief;)

Music is music. Just the soundtrack to a good night.

electrogrimey

This is great.

jimi_t2

Is mise le key wrote: »

Thanks thats exactly my point.......its not about mixing or DJ's........its all about the tunes & the drugs.......is that not what i have been saying all along & what was said in the post i referenced also.....

Again the oldskool 'krew' hijack another thread. The worst thing is that this was a fairly lucid discussion about integrity in electronic music and the best mantra you can come up with is '**** the DJs and their mixing, as long as there's drugs and some tunes I'm happy' - when this is pointed out though, it goes right over your head.

g5fd6ow0hseima

billybigunz wrote: »

Music is music. Just the soundtrack to a good night.

Right, fair enough. End of.....

Executive Steve

jimi_t2 wrote: »

FFS. I presume these are the same denizens of hardcore that failed to fill Buck Whaleys a couple months back for the 'reunion' night.

People have been applauding the medium of the DJ as a construct in itself as far back as late 80s Ibiza and the early days of the Hacienda



This is one of the plethora of problems with the legacy of the Asylum/Sides/Ormonde and goes a long way toward explaining how the attitudes of both Irish promoters and punters are so bloody backward even today.

Two pages back people are ranting about why we don't idolise the home-grown heroes, but next we have some punter saying that in the 'golden era' of electronic music in Dublin everyone was ignoring the DJ. This is complete bollacks and quoting some geriatric DJ from Finglas who never quite broke out of the Dublin scene and now spends his time on internet forums reminiscing about the 'good old days' isn't going to persuade me otherwise.

Tony Wilson was a chancer, and in fairness Francis Grasso and Larry Levan and Ron Hardy and many others on the american disco and house scenes were getting plaudits and serious worship long before the likes of Mike Pickering were... Not to mention the block party DJ's in places like the Bronx in 81.. Even the UK northern soul scene had DJ worship before the rave scene ever kicked off, as did the london warehouse scene in the 80's...

As for the idea of rave and hardcore as situationist utopias where crowd interaction replaced the focal point of the performer, you're probably not too far wrong, in fairness, there really WAS that change of dynamic, but only in the sense that going to a DJ to dance is a different dynamic to going to see a band play; people for whom a DJ wasn't a mindbendingly fresh new idea (ie. 99% of the heads in the asylum thread, clearly) just toook it for granted.

Executive Steve

Herbal Deity wrote: »

*those pictures off ishkur's site*

Criiiinge. More applicable to the American rave scene than the UK one too, at least until the mid 90's.

Is mise le key

jimi_t2 wrote: »

Again the oldskool 'krew' hijack another thread. The worst thing is that this was a fairly lucid discussion about integrity in electronic music and the best mantra you can come up with is '**** the DJs and their mixing, as long as there's drugs and some tunes I'm happy' - when this is pointed out though, it goes right over your head.

Your a funny guy, no i mean it you really are......can i just point out a couple of things & then i will leave you be seeing as you dont like opinions unless they conform to the flow of the thread thus far..........

jimi_t2 wrote: »

Again the oldskool 'krew' hijack another thread.

There appears to be only me giving my 2 cents here so i hardly think you can say that the entire thread has been 'Hijacked'........i take it from you using the term 'Oldskool krew' that you are into the Rave music in recent history which is great but i am hoping that whatever expperience you are getting from it now & when you first got into it is still with you as strong 20 years from then as it is for me to this day.

jimi_t2 wrote: »

The worst thing is that this was a fairly lucid discussion about integrity in electronic music.

You say this as if somehow i have brought 'Your' discussion into disrepute......you all willingly & enthusiastically responded to my comments & views & could easily have returned to replying to other users on the topic & moved the conversation on in the direction you wanted if you did not like the direction of the conversation as has been done in many threads.

jimi_t2 wrote: »

the best mantra you can come up with is '**** the DJs and their mixing, as long as there's drugs and some tunes I'm happy' - when this is pointed out though, it goes right over your head.

Almost accurate but purposley simplified to make it appear narrow minded.......why not post the link to the page number the discussion that comment was taken from to see the context of the entire discussion of a couple of pages???

Just to let you know........when i was going to the Raves in dublin back 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996 i never knew ever who was playing at any given time in a Rave..........i knew the dj's that were around alright but couldnt have told you when they were on or what they looked like & i had the most amazing experiences of my life in those years.

It wasnt just 'give me a load of drugs & some tunes & im happy' as you so eloquently put it but more that the emergence of pure ecstasy at that time would have you in real heights of euphoria together with a new sound & direction in electronic music & venues that decided to simply facilitate the experience of it all for the love of the new music & the new generation emersed in it made it an unforgettable life changing time.
When i was in the middle of the dancefloor in the heights of ecstasy surrounded by dry ice all there was was you & the music & when you let your self become completley involved in the tunes they are like a journey, story, feeling, message that you never want to stop & that is why it has such importance to me & the DJ & mixing of such tunes became of lesser significance..........

I aplogise if i have ruined the continuity of the discussion as that was not my aim & will now quietly get my coat & go;)

mordeith

Is mise le key wrote: »

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When i was in the middle of the dancefloor in the heights of ecstasy surrounded by dry ice all there was was you & the music & when you let your self become completley involved in the tunes they are like a journey, story, feeling, message that you never want to stop & that is why it has such importance to me & the DJ & mixing of such tunes became of lesser significance..........

While I was never a user of any kind of pills, etc., I often found myself in the same state in the middle of the dancefloor, with the lasers cutting through the smoke as the breakdown came. (This was a bit later in 96, 97). Drink did have an effect of course but if a track is good it will take on all the attributes mentioned above (journey, story, feeling, message) without the external influence of pills or whatever. Good music should be able to stand up in its own right, whether you're listening to it on the train, your bedroom or a hot, sweaty club filled with 500 'up-for-it' clubbers. The Dj has a huge part to play in bringing a club to the heights a clubber should expect, by selection of choons, quality of the mixing and recognizing the mood of the crowd.
PS This is not an 'anti-drug' rant