*Limerick GAA news/discussion thread*

Fireball07

Hanalei wrote: »

Good write up, some brave predictions on division 1A. Knowing Davy, he probably already has it pinned up on the wall in the Clare dressing room; "Everyone's writing us off lads, nobody's giving us a chance, blah blah blah!":D

Probably


Clare did brilliantly last year, have some class players... but they are now the team to beat, it will be interesting to see how they cope with that kind of pressure. I actually have no idea, how good a manager is Davy really? What kind of mental strength do those players have.

Thing is... most of them are used to winning, and that helps. But it's still very hard to win back-to-back All-Irelands, no matter what Kilkenny might say.

Hanalei

Thing is, Clare have plenty of questions to answer. They didn't play Kilkenny or Tipperary last year in the championship, and when they played them in the league, they were hammered by Tipp in Thurles, and went down to KK at home.

Also, I'm not yet convinced on their capacity to kill a team off, they needed two attempts to overcome a Cork team (which by Cork's high standards was an average Cork team), first game should have been over at half time and no matter what Clare did in the replay the result was never in doubt until they went two goals up in injury time! Would Cork have managed to reel in the Kilkenny team of 06-12 like that? Or the Tipp team of 09-11? (No disrespect meant to Cork, I do rate them but they're not yet at the level that would have been set by the great Cork teams of times past, most recently the Cork of 99-06)

Once Kilkenny went 6 points or more up in a game you just knew that it's pretty much a case of game over. Clare aren't that good yet. Can they be? Certainly yes in my opinion. Will they be? I've no idea, but I sure am looking forward to finding out in the next few years!

thinkstoomuch1

Good stuff fireball.
This isnt gaa related,but i know your a rubgy fan.
A great 4 page special in tonight Eveing Echo regards David Corkery and hes battle with depression and hes brave and honest story.
You can find both articles on the Echo online in cork sport section

Fireball07

Hanalei wrote: »

Thing is, Clare have plenty of questions to answer. They didn't play Kilkenny or Tipperary last year in the championship, and when they played them in the league, they were hammered by Tipp in Thurles, and went down to KK at home.

Also, I'm not yet convinced on their capacity to kill a team off, they needed two attempts to overcome a Cork team (which by Cork's high standards was an average Cork team), first game should have been over at half time and no matter what Clare did in the replay the result was never in doubt until they went two goals up in injury time! Would Cork have managed to reel in the Kilkenny team of 06-12 like that? Or the Tipp team of 09-11? (No disrespect meant to Cork, I do rate them but they're not yet at the level that would have been set by the great Cork teams of times past, most recently the Cork of 99-06)

Once Kilkenny went 6 points or more up in a game you just knew that it's pretty much a case of game over. Clare aren't that good yet. Can they be? Certainly yes in my opinion. Will they be? I've no idea, but I sure am looking forward to finding out in the next few years!

I agree with everything you say. Still, you have to have a bit of luck to win an All-Ireland... and they did. They won it, they did what they to do, that's what history is going to show and they get all the celebrations, etc to go along with it.


I don't think Clare are nearly as good as that KK team... few ever will be, I think. Obviously it's something to aim at. And it may sound like sour grapes, and obviously they did their homework, but as a Limerick fan, I still think we could easily have won that semi-final had we turned up. We didn't and we're going to move on but it's another day of regrets for us.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Good stuff fireball.
This isnt gaa related,but i know your a rubgy fan.
A great 4 page special in tonight Eveing Echo regards David Corkery and hes battle with depression and hes brave and honest story.

I'll check it out, when I first started watching rugby, he was a good player for Munster and in the AIL.... retired young though.

glasagusban

TJ this morning, "well I suppose from Shane's point of view he'd have a lot of experience with free-taking" -subtle! Confirmed that it's for one game only and Dowling along with the other Na P players will be rested for 3 or 4 weeks after this. Pragmatic enough pick from the management, likely to be a low scoring game decided by frees. Not a bad Limerick team, be good to see how Allis and Tom Ryan go.

paddy no 11

Will head along this evening.

As has been said its a night for wayne mac, there's going to be no mickie dazzlers running at him tonight. Its a night for physicality and getting the hand up and pulling the ball out of the sky.

Ive been doubtful about allis in the past, hopefully he can get 3 scores tonight.

Jim bob is a ball winner alright but he can knock them over too, looking for leadership here

Come on Tomas ryan, out of position but I think he can do the business tonight

Dowling hit the frees and bang in a goal or two

Am confident enough about the rest if the above contribute we can win

DOG is a hell of an athlete, not sure he can do midfield this year but he's the right man for tonight.

thinkstoomuch1

paddy no 11 wrote: »

Will head along this evening.

As has been said its a night for wayne mac, there's going to be no mickie dazzlers running at him tonight. Its a night for physicality and getting the hand up and pulling the ball out of the sky.

Ive been doubtful about allis in the past, hopefully he can get 3 scores tonight.

Jim bob is a ball winner alright but he can knock them over too, looking for leadership here

Come on Tomas ryan, out of position but I think he can do the business tonight

Dowling hit the frees and bang in a goal or two

Am confident enough about the rest if the above contribute we can win

DOG is a hell of an athlete, not sure he can do midfield this year but he's the right man for tonight.

whats Paddy o loughlin a sub like from kilmallock

Harty cup final next saturday gaelic grounds

Ye have pallas and kilmallock in b and c schools final in ul astro today.

paddy no 11

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

whats Paddy o loughlin a sub like from kilmallock

Harty cup final next saturday gaelic grounds

Ye have pallas and kilmallock in b and c schools final in ul astro today.

Paddy supposed to be very good, but haven't seen him myself.

Brother Philip is the sub tonight.

thinkstoomuch1

paddy no 11 wrote: »

Paddy supposed to be very good, but haven't seen him myself.

Brother Philip is the sub tonight.

Cheers Paddy

paddy no 11

Is dowling out? Doesn't appear on paddy power goal scorers.

Hanalei

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

whats Paddy o loughlin a sub like from kilmallock

Harty cup final next saturday gaelic grounds

Ye have pallas and kilmallock in b and c schools final in ul astro today.

Phil O'Loughlin turned 25 last week, tall (well over 6ft) and wouldn't struggle physically at this level I'd say, a recent addition to the panel, I've a feeling he's earmarked as a Richie McCarthy back up as we're a bit light on full back options at present, and O'Loughlin has been doing a decent job in that position for Kilmallock for the last 5 years.

Won't be a threat to the Walsh-McCarthy-Condon axis this year, but with a years experience on the panel might push hard for a place next year.

Doon v ASR should be in Bruff or Kilmallock, best grounds in the county for generating a bit of an atmosphere. Practically an away game for Doon, ASR is just up the road from the Gaelic Grounds!

glasagusban

O'loughlin has been very good at full back for Kilmallock for a while, but I would have thought Condon was our back up full back. Thought Mark O'Loughlin, the younger brother, might be called up, good player, has been full back with the limerick 21s recently and also filled in as full back for Kilmallock and did well.

washman3

Cork lead at half time 9 points to six. Limerick down to 14 players. Straight red for Mulcahy.
Cork will wonder why they're not out of sight as they completely ran us ragged for the first 20-25 mins.
Just a goal down but a huge task ahead in the second half, if Cork step it up again.

Browney7

Cork have hit a pile of wides. Paudie O'Brien having a stormer

Rightwing

Level 17-17. Good performance with 14 though.

Browney7

Super result to get a draw with 14 men for 50 mins. Midfield worked very hard. Richie was exposed by lehane a few times.

Fireball07

Hooooooooooon Limerick!


Delighted.

Rightwing

1 thing this result does is keep interest alive in the league right to the end.

Just as I said last year, that match shows the folly of keeping Dowling on the bench last season.

Insect Overlord

Dowling is some man for hitting a dead ball. Big responsibility on his shoulders tonight, and he still looked calm!

Rightwing

An File wrote: »

Dowling is some man for hitting a dead ball. Big responsibility on his shoulders tonight, and he still looked calm!

Better than Hannon, let's hope they take this responsibility off Hannon and let him concentrate on his undoubted skill

The_Kew_Tour

Ye deserved a draw tbf.

Good comeback

ShamoBuc

Game could have went either way in the last few minutes. Given ye had played so long with 14 it was a great performance. I thought Cork would win handy enough and were on the road to doing that until ye raised the bar and Cork were lucky to stay with ye.

paddy no 11

Mixed feelings on this one. Not sure where to start. We deserved a draw no doubt, maybe more?

Cork are still favs giving the forwards we're missing esp with mulcahy gone too. (I assume its points diff at the end?)

On the sending off, I didn't see it, im sure that he deserved his red but he was livid going off and its total out of character, he clearly thought he was being fouled in some way.

On the hurling, we started desperate 3 awful efforts from mul/tobin/jimbob, allowed cork coast into a deserved 6 point lead. Once the sending off happened and we went to 3 midfielders there was only one team in it and im sick we didn't push on to win, as I think cork are still big favs to go up.


Well my criticism if browne looks pretty stupid now, two great scores but it was his distribution and calmness that brought us back into the game, and the score at the end would have been a worthy match winner.

Dowling was immense ,under pressure every free was a tough one and he showed up well, leave him at full for the championship I think.

Backs were very good for the most part, wonder score from paidi, esp on the heels of two costly errors. GOM is my fav hurler in the country.

Forwards were a total failure for the most part, Allis got a great score but he was poor overall and doesn't fight nearly hard enough, jimbob battled and was the pick of the three, tomas didn't do much, disappointed but he is a half back.

I still want POB in midfield and put tomas ryan or DOG to half back, id even look at DOG at half forward as I'm not sure he has the legs for midfield.


I thought the ref was worth 2-3 points to cork but I wouldn't like to make a big deal of his performance that's about par for a home team.

mickmackey1

Great heart shown there, I wouldn't have given them a prayer after 20 mins... now every match will have to be full on against the minnows, GAA will be delighted but not the minnows

grenache

Just back from a packed and surprisingly mild Páirc Uí Rinn. Big crowd of which Limerick fans numbered no more than 400-500, which was disappointing. Cork left this game after them, it's definitely a point dropped for them and gained for us. I don't understand why Steve Walsh was not taken off Pat Horgan, he was taking him to cleaners. Tom Condon should have been switched on to him after the first 15 minutes. Richie McCarthy was another who struggled in the first half against Conor Lehane.

Lehane going off injured not long after half time helped reduce Cork's threat as he had done some damage in the opening period. Cork played somewhat into our hands by using the free man to hit long balls all night into our backs, who coped admirably. Paudie O'Brien, Wayne Mac, Richie Mac and Tom Condon were all impressive in the second half under severe and relentless pressure. I thought we worked the short ball rather well, our first touch was good and we generally found a man in space when it was used. James Ryan came much more into the game in the second half, having been out-hurled by Joyce early on. Dodge & Browne were lively throughout and Browne got forward for a couple of lovely scores.

Thank god for Shane Dowling, the only forward who offered any threat of note, although Conor Allis did ok too. Some man to hit a dead ball and never flinched under pressure. Downes gave us a more physical presence when introduced and helped to stem the flow of ball being pumped in by Joyce/Egan. We severely lack physicality in our full line, Mulcahy & Tobin while nice hurlers, are so easily muscled off the ball.

A good battling performance and result in the circumstances though, albeit aided by awful shooting from Cork.

*Forgot to mention that I think Wayne Mac was a lucky boy not to see red for his frontal charge that poleaxed Aidan Walsh in second half. It looked bad and Walsh was subbed off, probably concussed. I've seen red given for less.

thinkstoomuch1

The key to any game before a ball was thrown in is often the Thursday night,the naming of the team is announced.,as you know have you a realistic chance of win,i said it during the week it was a poor team picked ,saw limerick team,and i said i was very worried with the game,and changes had to be made fast to win it55 minutes and 60 far too late,limerick had momentum ...you thinks thats bad ...take a minute..deep breath ..f**king outlandish that a half back line totally dominated,never had changes made and average strong tanks of men in ellis and then white lack the hurling,guile and poise for intercounty hurling.We went 25 minutes without scoring,we had some forwards but no ball.


This isnt Millstreet v ballygaravan ffs,elite intercounty ,where any weakness is exposed and espiceally a team with O grady involved in.It was said here,we had a strong team,we would win by 5 or 6 points.We had no such team.Strong me hole,decent team as John Horgan correctly said ,and thats being kind i believe.A world of differenb.e between "strong"and Decent.

I said if limerick had downes hannon,breen hickey etc,would beat us by by a few points ,it wasnt a great team.
We were so poor in team picked there second team ,in some aeras nearly beat us,drew with us with 14 men.People will try and blow this over as not a big result,be realistic in essence taking everything in to the equation a castrotropic performance tonightand bar horgan,would have been in real trouble.

Some fans may say  and have already started ah is only february,sure no relavane really,dont worry,and blow of the cobwebs.Sorry now Take of the blinkers with respect,and i mean no disrespect to anyone,but limerick knew it was huge importance and had hunger,intenstiy and will,picked the best 15 to win,we never did and were a shambles as a team,no spine,but indivaual displays.As proved time and again and in the Crokes football game even at club level,indivuals rarely win games,Team that play as a team regulary do.Im sorry but this its glass half full is complete b****xand use excuses ,when Cork are a stage we must be winning these games. People say were training since the 16th only.Yes that was a hindrance but jesus c***st ,dont deviate from realistic facts,we had home advantage,had 15 men ,and had a much stronger panel than limerick,we didnt pick them.Like i said at half time the extra man is negated in such heavy ground ,and it wasnt a certainty for us to win,thats why it was Fundamentally crucial we made changes and use the bench,as 14 v15,wasnt like last july in a scorcher ,that it was a certainy 15 men would win.Limerick had like i said would have intensity ,immense credit due to them,controlled aggression most times,hit everything that moved,what did not they made it move .And they had the players to .it,but with hurling from 2 to 9,a full back,and a balanced midfield,we had neither.Those that think im harsh,watch that match again.

A must win game,as we have won nothing,disastous for a team that needs to win final,create a winning mentality and a real belief,lost 4 finas drawn two now.Against a limerick team with one marquee player,mulchay sent of,yes we had 3 forwards out be we had a bench they didnt,had an extra man ,and Limerick have now a superioty complex over us,beat most that team 2011u21,beat us last year,drew but against all the odds the real winners tonight ,and also beat Cork at minor and Schools level ,have a huge mentaitly over cork hurling ,and dont fear cork teams but relish us.Cork fear limerick teams.

The league was the real winner in essence ,as meaningless ,run of the mill games against antrim have huge significance now as huge scores must be put up,as scoring diff come in to play and Cork dont have the lenicey to try many lads now as every game has it consuences  .Antrim and laois,bad news for them as cork and limkerick,will need high scores and have to Target the games, take the lead of bonus points in 4 tries in rubgy,in that goals,goals are key in getting huge scores and conceding no goals also,for a huge scoring differenceg

Wexford may be our saving grace,could rattle limerick in a swamp wexford park,but should keep limericks scoring difference low.We cant control those games ,control the controballes,tonight we f**cked it up badly and missed a golden oppurinty.
What does dont look a gift horse in the mouth mean?

The answer cork display against limerick.


Nash was excellent,assured,composed,varied puckouts,as i said before cant be blamed if halforwards dont win ball.Don't shoot the messenger lads.He had a poor Cian Mac to aim at ,and Rob o shea isnt a aerial ball winner .

O neill very good at sweeping,winning breaks great covering,aint a full back,time and again he failed catch clean ball,dowling won a lot,should of got a goal,no presence at 3.keane,spillane set up.O neill hurled a lot of ball as limerick played two man full forward line,so before and i hope  People become dont become  dreamers and say we have a full back,no we dont.Better than mcdonnell would have been,a saving grace he didnt start,wasnt a loss ,but a bonus to us.Kilkenny have no full back,but at least there trying a man michael walsh that could be one,they will evolve.Two years in,and were fu**king absymal and static  at 3,as were not trying others at 3,not going to tried and trusted ,but tried and failed.Management 100 per cent to blame for not seeing the need to change.If downes was there we were up **** creek without a paddle.Huge concern the managment and some people cant realise 3 is STILL A HUGE PROBLEN ,AN NO TEAM HAS WON AN ALL IRELAND IN 28 YEARS WITHOUT A BALLWINNING,PRESENCE,LEADER IN THAT POSITION.WATCH OLD MACHES,GER CUSHE,ROCK,LOHAN,HICKEY,CURRAN,,DENIS WALSH .NOEL SHEEDY,CONNOR HAYES,MAHER,CODY,KINIHAN EDDIE O CONNOR,the list is endless.
In fact the poorest of all full backs was our own richard browne in 1986 was an average 3,but we got away with it ,in that Galway made two crucial errors
(a)played a two man full forward line,johnny crowley go man of the match as the ball Browne couldnt win he sweeped it up and cleaned it up repeatedly.
(b)connor hayes who was become great in 87.88 etc wasnt played at full back for them,and silvy linnane was ruthlessey exposed,We got four goals.Cryil farell credit due learned from hes mistakes and Galway won in 87 and 88.
Cork havent learned in two years,what worse is the FAILURE TO RECOGNISE IT ,BY GREAT AND ASTUE MEN IN JBM AND CROWLEY .

Egan was immense at corner back and then at wing back,dropping him had the desired effect.Superb out of position.


Killan murphy ,super,a lot of loose ball,brian murphy may retire,a huge loss,future great at corner back though.Any worries ,no ,once they dont ruin him and try and make him a 3.Corner backs rarely make full back,they learn the trade yes there but there natural 3 mainly.

Ellis,awful,complety out of hes depth,Beaten time and again and made a woeful foul at a crucial time to give away a soft free.Aimless,hail mary full of grace,please god the ball hits my forward.Sorry now lads he isnt up to it.Ross cashman looks like an all star compared to Ellis.Superbly toned,a beaufiul, beatuful body,and athlete(endurance wise)but lacks the hurling and pace for it.Dropped in the full back line the last ten minutes ,made look good with the extra man.Not up it,i said it all week.


Joyce the best of that unit ,won some ball,good delivery ,but average,and i said that could happen but how in the name of god could he be our Top Gun,with two wingmen that had there feathers well and truly clipped and were like rabbits dazzled with a light,and they would face much better half forwards than tonight.Tom ryan was okay,not a half forward but made them look poor.Hannon,breen,noel mcgrath,kelly ,ryan would have a field day ,in truth.


White like i feared lucky not to get sent of.A rash challenge he made.Aggrestion ,if controlled is great,but sheer wild ,headless tackless are not on.Won some breaking ball,awful clearances,long high,gather the snow from the sky,and next time ,jesus can i hit the stars the next time.A forwards night mare,cant deliver Head height accurate ball.I admire hes gutso,energy ,lacks the hurling,would even struggle and has at intermediate level.Why oh why wasnt lorchan left there,or spillane used.


Kearney,worked hard,great effort,poor shooting but had no help with lorchan dropping deep.Much more in him with the right partner,like a great woman in a mans life,makes a man as she brings out hes good side.


Lorchan rarely finishes a game,and he is superbly fit and has endurancne,but he is battered,and outmuscled like waves slowly but surely eroding the rocks ,and is made look poor at midfield.Please.please.,please jbm play the man at half back whdmre he excelled in knowlan park last year and for patches tonight where he played deep and for CIT also.Cork wont win the all ireland with him as a midfielder.

Lehane was okay but hadnt much ball,due to woeful delervies.People said he was a huge loss,when he went off,he wasnt as he was moved to full forward where he would be inffective against a below par Riche Mac tonight.

Cian mac,same old ,same old.Like i said would get two points etc but the same old weakness come back again,on a night that should of suited him,was poorer than i actually thought he would be.Michae sul covered more ground,chased back more,won more loose ball than he did in 15 mintutes.A great point,forceful running,like i said should of started,and at half time i said should of came on.This was a game made for him.Woeful call by management.


Rob o shea ,superb,attuide,fight,bottle,super touch,a great debut,won lots of possesion at centre field,then moved back  to 12 despite limerick having 3 there,not a ball aerial winner or a realstic option when harnedy ,cronin etc come back,but could make a superb midfielder,has to start with kearney next saturday night.Lots of hurling,superb debut.


Horgan,unreal,what a leader,our man of the match,showed and wanted every ball,terrific points,has truly turned a corner from this time last year.Thank you Patrick Horgan.


Walsh-did i not say he wasnt a full forward.Ffs we made a great potent man that could have been like a dinosaur tonight,raw aggression,power,pace ,and athleticism look like a butterfly.I said he would be made look awful,Dont blame walsh,ffs have anyone seen cork u21 2011,when he went in there and an average Begley at 3 cleaned him out.Could never or ever looked comfortable 14 for the football or for kanturk,left there too long,such confidence was gone -and he couldnt do it at half forward,did make great catch,set of an a trade mark run,but then hit illegally.
I said it before Wayne mac is a liabilty at 6,,when hickey is back,he should be dropped,or Tom ryan put in there.Gas,one of the most natural and gentlemen on the field,Mulchay harsly got the line,yet Wayne mac notourisly rough,with a very dangerous tackle was not sent off.
I was geuinely gutted for Mulchay.


Dont mind this lark,cococoran took time at 14.Cococran was a rare breed,a superb reader and wonderful touch and accurcay,despite having peripheral vision.Walsh has a different still set .He isnt a 13,,1,4,15.
10,,11,12 play him there or don't waste the lads time ,and let him play football soley .
Blameless i said thursday if he stayed at 14.I dont blame him one bit.A game that wont do hes confidencde any good but he will Rise And Come again ,once he is played to exceute he's strengths and not expose hes weakness.Poor call playing the lad there.I hope like.. lehane,farell he's injury is not serious.

Moylan,worked hard of little and a poor ball supply,great point in the end,but a woeful goal chanced missed,should be told place a shot rather than blast the net.
Start him the next days,needs a run of games.Has it all for this level.


I advocated all week for alan cadogan,and at half time i said Must come on.What a talent,what a debut,two great points with no supply,super catch and agilty ,turned like a six pence for the ist one,won a load of ball,laid it off intelligenty,strong ,robust on and of the ball,great work rate of the ball,he is a real star in the making.I always said i rated him,must start the next day.Could get two goals etc v laois.


Haughney and o farell too late to be rated,haughney showed a bit of bite i didnt think he had ,with the yellow card.


Eoin cadogan got some touch and training tonight and came on a lot,by sitting on the bench.Never wanted him dual,but if he misses football games,the least you do is start him.Imagine footballers that cant get a game,watching him miss crucial game yet no hurling.Should of been used.


People can say its too early to judge,but at the end of the day we had a golden chance to win ,get two points ,we didnt take it,and if we do go up,or league is changed next year,not much good to us when we couldnt win tonight.If that team played any div 1 team away from home we were beaten out the gate .
Harnedy,cronin etc cant be used as an excuse quite simply because we had better options than the 15 we started still,and its all fine to say we testing new guys ,but surely ,after 35 minutes ellis white,cian mac,should what they could do and more IMPORTANTLY COULDNT DO and others like spillane,keane,hauthney,sul etc deserved a half as now we wont get another Real Game with intensity as a true litmus test of a player til the quater final,even if that,depending who we meet and what there intentions are ,we may have to wait for a semifinal.


Im a huge fan since i was 5,,jbm owes cork nothing,a legend ,but its not immune to ciriticism like any manager and yes i do believe he is the man for the job ,but its fair and realistic to say poor calls were made,are being made at 3 and tonight was a game we needed to believe for confidence and belief and create that winning mentatilty.He has learned from mistakes in the past,so he should learn i believe from tonight ,but a huge worry is there realistion that O neill,mcdonnell are full backs and the failure to accept we have BIG problems there,the last TWO YEARS,going on 33


Great credit to limerick,and browne,riche mac(bit of hes high standard but still when the need was greatest ,a cloloussus,the sublime and majestic Dowling(oh what could have been if he started last year)Superb condon,o grday ,and jim bob ryan and my lord Gavin O Mahony was awesome,him and horgan man of the match i feel.



And finally with an understrength,team,no bench Ogrady outhought and outfoxed Cork and when you see a full strength ,at home,extra man in scorching heat ,stumbled with a stronger bench ,to beat us  with Allen,and tactially out manovered then by Clare,see the world of difference with them in just one game to last year.A serious team that could be All ireland contenders ,once O Grady is thdm main man,let Tj ryan do the interviews etc keep tom ryan and co happy,but to win the all ireland let O grady be the Captain of the ship they may in time sail of down the Shannon with The Liam Mac.

Ghrame mulchaly isnt a dirty player,bit harsh to send him off,and no nonense of a dubious last minute free or the extra time,lads we have only ourselves to blame,and limerick dererve immense credit,and like i said today,nothing at all wrong with theis mindset ,14 man ,6 down away from home proved that.


If i was a limerick fan id be more happy and confident tonight,then after the Munster final,as tonight ye will improve,have a manager with the tactical nous to do that ,unlike last year .


Great game,and Limerick the real winners with the league also in that mickey mouse game,with the greatest respect to the opposition now every single game has an added interest regards scoring difference.

thinkstoomuch1

Rightwing wrote: »

1 thing this result does is keep interest alive in the league right to the end.

Just as I said last year, that match shows the folly of keeping Dowling on the bench last season.

In one league game see the world of difference between o grady and allen.

Tactilca nous got ye that draw.

People are finally beginning to see i was far from out of order our unjustified with my critisims on hes management limations.


Worked the possesion game brillantly,allens concept is 50/50 old school.

Great display,congrats lads.

Rightwing

I was checking the odds live & at 1 stage last night, Cork were 1/33 to win. LK have to be content with a point.

Rightwing

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

The key to any game before a ball was thrown in is often the Thursday night,the naming of the team is announced.,as you know have you a realistic chance of win,i said it during the week it was a poor team picked ,saw limerick team,and i said i was very worried with the game,and changes had to be made fast to win it55 minutes and 60 far too late,limerick had momentum ...you thinks thats bad ...take a minute..deep breath ..f**king outlandish that a half back line totally dominated,never had changes made and average strong tanks of men in ellis and then white lack the hurling,guile and poise for intercounty hurling.We went 25 minutes without scoring,we had some forwards but no ball.


This isnt Millstreet v ballygaravan ffs,elite intercounty ,where any weakness is exposed and espiceally a team with O grady involved in.It was said here,we had a strong team,we would win by 5 or 6 points.We had no such team.Strong me hole,decent team as John Horgan correctly said ,and thats being kind i believe.A world of differenb.e between "strong"and Decent.

I said if limerick had downes hannon,breen hickey etc,would beat us by by a few points ,it wasnt a great team.
We were so poor in team picked there second team ,in some aeras nearly beat us,drew with us with 14 men.People will try and blow this over as not a big result,be realistic in essence taking everything in to the equation a castrotropic performance tonightand bar horgan,would have been in real trouble.

Some fans may say and have already started ah is only february,sure no relavane really,dont worry,and blow of the cobwebs.Sorry now Take of the blinkers with respect,and i mean no disrespect to anyone,but limerick knew it was huge importance and had hunger,intenstiy and will,picked the best 15 to win,we never did and were a shambles as a team,no spine,but indivaual displays.As proved time and again and in the Crokes football game even at club level,indivuals rarely win games,Team that play as a team regulary do.Im sorry but this its glass half full is complete b****xand use excuses ,when Cork are a stage we must be winning these games. People say were training since the 16th only.Yes that was a hindrance but jesus c***st ,dont deviate from realistic facts,we had home advantage,had 15 men ,and had a much stronger panel than limerick,we didnt pick them.Like i said at half time the extra man is negated in such heavy ground ,and it wasnt a certainty for us to win,thats why it was Fundamentally crucial we made changes and use the bench,as 14 v15,wasnt like last july in a scorcher ,that it was a certainy 15 men would win.Limerick had like i said would have intensity ,immense credit due to them,controlled aggression most times,hit everything that moved,what did not they made it move .And they had the players to .it,but with hurling from 2 to 9,a full back,and a balanced midfield,we had neither.Those that think im harsh,watch that match again.

A must win game,as we have won nothing,disastous for a team that needs to win final,create a winning mentality and a real belief,lost 4 finas drawn two now.Against a limerick team with one marquee player,mulchay sent of,yes we had 3 forwards out be we had a bench they didnt,had an extra man ,and Limerick have now a superioty complex over us,beat most that team 2011u21,beat us last year,drew but against all the odds the real winners tonight ,and also beat Cork at minor and Schools level ,have a huge mentaitly over cork hurling ,and dont fear cork teams but relish us.Cork fear limerick teams.

The league was the real winner in essence ,as meaningless ,run of the mill games against antrim have huge significance now as huge scores must be put up,as scoring diff come in to play and Cork dont have the lenicey to try many lads now as every game has it consuences .Antrim and laois,bad news for them as cork and limkerick,will need high scores and have to Target the games, take the lead of bonus points in 4 tries in rubgy,in that goals,goals are key in getting huge scores and conceding no goals also,for a huge scoring differenceg

Wexford may be our saving grace,could rattle limerick in a swamp wexford park,but should keep limericks scoring difference low.We cant control those games ,control the controballes,tonight we f**cked it up badly and missed a golden oppurinty.
What does dont look a gift horse in the mouth mean?

The answer cork display against limerick.


Nash was excellent,assured,composed,varied puckouts,as i said before cant be blamed if halforwards dont win ball.Don't shoot the messenger lads.He had a poor Cian Mac to aim at ,and Rob o shea isnt a aerial ball winner .

O neill very good at sweeping,winning breaks great covering,aint a full back,time and again he failed catch clean ball,dowling won a lot,should of got a goal,no presence at 3.keane,spillane set up.O neill hurled a lot of ball as limerick played two man full forward line,so before and i hope People become dont become dreamers and say we have a full back,no we dont.Better than mcdonnell would have been,a saving grace he didnt start,wasnt a loss ,but a bonus to us.Kilkenny have no full back,but at least there trying a man michael walsh that could be one,they will evolve.Two years in,and were fu**king absymal and static at 3,as were not trying others at 3,not going to tried and trusted ,but tried and failed.Management 100 per cent to blame for not seeing the need to change.If downes was there we were up **** creek without a paddle.Huge concern the managment and some people cant realise 3 is STILL A HUGE PROBLEN ,AN NO TEAM HAS WON AN ALL IRELAND IN 28 YEARS WITHOUT A BALLWINNING,PRESENCE,LEADER IN THAT POSITION.WATCH OLD MACHES,GER CUSHE,ROCK,LOHAN,HICKEY,CURRAN,,DENIS WALSH .NOEL SHEEDY,CONNOR HAYES,MAHER,CODY,KINIHAN EDDIE O CONNOR,the list is endless.
In fact the poorest of all full backs was our own richard browne in 1986 was an average 3,but we got away with it ,in that Galway made two crucial errors
(a)played a two man full forward line,johnny crowley go man of the match as the ball Browne couldnt win he sweeped it up and cleaned it up repeatedly.
(b)connor hayes who was become great in 87.88 etc wasnt played at full back for them,and silvy linnane was ruthlessey exposed,We got four goals.Cryil farell credit due learned from hes mistakes and Galway won in 87 and 88.
Cork havent learned in two years,what worse is the FAILURE TO RECOGNISE IT ,BY GREAT AND ASTUE MEN IN JBM AND CROWLEY .

Egan was immense at corner back and then at wing back,dropping him had the desired effect.Superb out of position.


Killan murphy ,super,a lot of loose ball,brian murphy may retire,a huge loss,future great at corner back though.Any worries ,no ,once they dont ruin him and try and make him a 3.Corner backs rarely make full back,they learn the trade yes there but there natural 3 mainly.

Ellis,awful,complety out of hes depth,Beaten time and again and made a woeful foul at a crucial time to give away a soft free.Aimless,hail mary full of grace,please god the ball hits my forward.Sorry now lads he isnt up to it.Ross cashman looks like an all star compared to Ellis.Superbly toned,a beaufiul, beatuful body,and athlete(endurance wise)but lacks the hurling and pace for it.Dropped in the full back line the last ten minutes ,made look good with the extra man.Not up it,i said it all week.


Joyce the best of that unit ,won some ball,good delivery ,but average,and i said that could happen but how in the name of god could he be our Top Gun,with two wingmen that had there feathers well and truly clipped and were like rabbits dazzled with a light,and they would face much better half forwards than tonight.Tom ryan was okay,not a half forward but made them look poor.Hannon,breen,noel mcgrath,kelly ,ryan would have a field day ,in truth.


White like i feared lucky not to get sent of.A rash challenge he made.Aggrestion ,if controlled is great,but sheer wild ,headless tackless are not on.Won some breaking ball,awful clearances,long high,gather the snow from the sky,and next time ,jesus can i hit the stars the next time.A forwards night mare,cant deliver Head height accurate ball.I admire hes gutso,energy ,lacks the hurling,would even struggle and has at intermediate level.Why oh why wasnt lorchan left there,or spillane used.


Kearney,worked hard,great effort,poor shooting but had no help with lorchan dropping deep.Much more in him with the right partner,like a great woman in a mans life,makes a man as she brings out hes good side.


Lorchan rarely finishes a game,and he is superbly fit and has endurancne,but he is battered,and outmuscled like waves slowly but surely eroding the rocks ,and is made look poor at midfield.Please.please.,please jbm play the man at half back whdmre he excelled in knowlan park last year and for patches tonight where he played deep and for CIT also.Cork wont win the all ireland with him as a midfielder.

Lehane was okay but hadnt much ball,due to woeful delervies.People said he was a huge loss,when he went off,he wasnt as he was moved to full forward where he would be inffective against a below par Riche Mac tonight.

Cian mac,same old ,same old.Like i said would get two points etc but the same old weakness come back again,on a night that should of suited him,was poorer than i actually thought he would be.Michae sul covered more ground,chased back more,won more loose ball than he did in 15 mintutes.A great point,forceful running,like i said should of started,and at half time i said should of came on.This was a game made for him.Woeful call by management.


Rob o shea ,superb,attuide,fight,bottle,super touch,a great debut,won lots of possesion at centre field,then moved back to 12 despite limerick having 3 there,not a ball aerial winner or a realstic option when harnedy ,cronin etc come back,but could make a superb midfielder,has to start with kearney next saturday night.Lots of hurling,superb debut.


Horgan,unreal,what a leader,our man of the match,showed and wanted every ball,terrific points,has truly turned a corner from this time last year.Thank you Patrick Horgan.


Walsh-did i not say he wasnt a full forward.Ffs we made a great potent man that could have been like a dinosaur tonight,raw aggression,power,pace ,and athleticism look like a butterfly.I said he would be made look awful,Dont blame walsh,ffs have anyone seen cork u21 2011,when he went in there and an average Begley at 3 cleaned him out.Could never or ever looked comfortable 14 for the football or for kanturk,left there too long,such confidence was gone -and he couldnt do it at half forward,did make great catch,set of an a trade mark run,but then hit illegally.
I said it before Wayne mac is a liabilty at 6,,when hickey is back,he should be dropped,or Tom ryan put in there.Gas,one of the most natural and gentlemen on the field,Mulchay harsly got the line,yet Wayne mac notourisly rough,with a very dangerous tackle was not sent off.
I was geuinely gutted for Mulchay.


Dont mind this lark,cococoran took time at 14.Cococran was a rare breed,a superb reader and wonderful touch and accurcay,despite having peripheral vision.Walsh has a different still set .He isnt a 13,,1,4,15.
10,,11,12 play him there or don't waste the lads time ,and let him play football soley .
Blameless i said thursday if he stayed at 14.I dont blame him one bit.A game that wont do hes confidencde any good but he will Rise And Come again ,once he is played to exceute he's strengths and not expose hes weakness.Poor call playing the lad there.I hope like.. lehane,farell he's injury is not serious.

Moylan,worked hard of little and a poor ball supply,great point in the end,but a woeful goal chanced missed,should be told place a shot rather than blast the net.
Start him the next days,needs a run of games.Has it all for this level.


I advocated all week for alan cadogan,and at half time i said Must come on.What a talent,what a debut,two great points with no supply,super catch and agilty ,turned like a six pence for the ist one,won a load of ball,laid it off intelligenty,strong ,robust on and of the ball,great work rate of the ball,he is a real star in the making.I always said i rated him,must start the next day.Could get two goals etc v laois.


Haughney and o farell too late to be rated,haughney showed a bit of bite i didnt think he had ,with the yellow card.


Eoin cadogan got some touch and training tonight and came on a lot,by sitting on the bench.Never wanted him dual,but if he misses football games,the least you do is start him.Imagine footballers that cant get a game,watching him miss crucial game yet no hurling.Should of been used.


People can say its too early to judge,but at the end of the day we had a golden chance to win ,get two points ,we didnt take it,and if we do go up,or league is changed next year,not much good to us when we couldnt win tonight.If that team played any div 1 team away from home we were beaten out the gate .
Harnedy,cronin etc cant be used as an excuse quite simply because we had better options than the 15 we started still,and its all fine to say we testing new guys ,but surely ,after 35 minutes ellis white,cian mac,should what they could do and more IMPORTANTLY COULDNT DO and others like spillane,keane,hauthney,sul etc deserved a half as now we wont get another Real Game with intensity as a true litmus test of a player til the quater final,even if that,depending who we meet and what there intentions are ,we may have to wait for a semifinal.


Im a huge fan since i was 5,,jbm owes cork nothing,a legend ,but its not immune to ciriticism like any manager and yes i do believe he is the man for the job ,but its fair and realistic to say poor calls were made,are being made at 3 and tonight was a game we needed to believe for confidence and belief and create that winning mentatilty.He has learned from mistakes in the past,so he should learn i believe from tonight ,but a huge worry is there realistion that O neill,mcdonnell are full backs and the failure to accept we have BIG problems there,the last TWO YEARS,going on 33


Great credit to limerick,and browne,riche mac(bit of hes high standard but still when the need was greatest ,a cloloussus,the sublime and majestic Dowling(oh what could have been if he started last year)Superb condon,o grday ,and jim bob ryan and my lord Gavin O Mahony was awesome,him and horgan man of the match i feel.



And finally with an understrength,team,no bench Ogrady outhought and outfoxed Cork and when you see a full strength ,at home,extra man in scorching heat ,stumbled with a stronger bench ,to beat us with Allen,and tactially out manovered then by Clare,see the world of difference with them in just one game to last year.A serious team that could be All ireland contenders ,once O Grady is thdm main man,let Tj ryan do the interviews etc keep tom ryan and co happy,but to win the all ireland let O grady be the Captain of the ship they may in time sail of down the Shannon with The Liam Mac.

Ghrame mulchaly isnt a dirty player,bit harsh to send him off,and no nonense of a dubious last minute free or the extra time,lads we have only ourselves to blame,and limerick dererve immense credit,and like i said today,nothing at all wrong with theis mindset ,14 man ,6 down away from home proved that.


If i was a limerick fan id be more happy and confident tonight,then after the Munster final,as tonight ye will improve,have a manager with the tactical nous to do that ,unlike last year .


Great game,and Limerick the real winners with the league also in that mickey mouse game,with the greatest respect to the opposition now every single game has an added interest regards scoring difference.

Good write up there, no need for me to buy a sunday rag now

paddy no 11

Exhibition from Dowling.

Walsh was under pressure all night.

Jimbob won at least 3 frees which were converted, done well.

Browne and POB took 4 great scores.

Outside of dowling, only Allis scored of the forwards scored- we haven't a hope of outscoring cork for the remainder of the league. Great effort on the night, interesting to see if we can progress from here, we'll need to to be competitive.